Church Sign "Obama Osama Humm Are They Brothers?"

[truthpusher]

Source: News Channel 7


A sign is causing heated arguments outside of a church in Jonesville.

Pastor Roger Byrd of Jonesville Church of God put the sign up which reads "Obama Osama humm are they brothers?"

Pastor Byrd says the sign is not met to be racial or political but rather to make people think. "His name is so close to Osama I feeling might be Islamic therefore he doesn't recognize Christ," Pastor Byrd said.

Barack attends Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago."

Eugunia Foster is offended by the church sign. "I'm embarrassed and hurt. I'm surprised a small town like Jonesville still has this separation. It is racial and hatred," Foster said.

Pastor Byrd told News Channel 7 he would ask his congregation to vote on whether to keep the sign. They voted unanimously to keep the sign up Sunday night.

Jonesville Church of God does not have any African American members.



Read more: http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-04-20-0005.html

[bluestateguy]

1. That settles it for me: I now favor intelligence testing for voting rights

Only America's best and brightest should be casting ballots.

[OKthatsIT]

55. We dont vote for the President, anyway..so who really cares?

Why does everyone astet their time with these stupid media bytes.

[Bicoastal]

2. I'm no New York snob...

...but right now I'm kinda glad I don't live in Jonesville.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

10. However, I am a New York snob.

And Jonestown -- I mean, Jonesville -- can kiss my fucking ass.

[ShockediSay]

51. Muslims do "recognize Christ." I don't recognize Christianity in this

so-called church.

[pegleg]

117. This guy is just a plain idiot nothing more to say.

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. Jonesville Church of God also does not have a legitimately ordained pastor,

nor a legitimately educated or theologically trained one.

:eyes:

Idiots.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

13. Like Stuart Smalley?

[Name removed]

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[Uncle Joe]

113. I would imagine even a layman would know about "Bearing false witness"

as breaking one of the Ten Commandments.

[Kolesar]

114. He is blinded by his hatred

He cannot even grasp that he is being a total, well, fill in the blank _____________.

[Supersedeas]

122. in the shuffle of commitments, the Commandments take a back seat to the political scorecard

[mcctatas]

4. Is he a muslim or a black seperatist christian...

black or not black enough, elitist or upstart...
Jesus H Christ, no matter what he does, someone finds a reason to hate him...

[humbled_opinion]

78. LOL thats not gonna sit well

When he is positioning himself as the unity candidate...

Just saying...

[roseBudd]

131. there is about a 25% base of knuckle dragger fundies who were never in play

[Kittycat]

5. They're an embarrassment to christianity.

I'm sure their phone will start ringing off the hook tomorrow though... And I wouldn't put it past them being picketed.

[ShockediSay]

43. Satan is prophesied to take hold of the holy places in the end

times according to the Book of Revelations.

Obviously these people are not true Christian believers
no matter what label they put on themselves.

[superconnected]

87. That is not in the book of revelations.

That is the rw 20th century mythos you see in movies.

Btw, Johns' I had a dream speech(Revelations), is looked on by biblical scholars as most likely about the fall of Rome.

[bmbmd]

118. Perhaps he is referring to the "Obama-nation"

of desolation....

[regnaD kciN]

146. Which, aside from the bad pun...

...isn't from Revelation either. (It's from Matthew 24:15.)

[bmbmd]

148. Well-the concept came from Daniel 9.

Jesus was paraphrasing. And it was a most excellent pun.

[Solly Mack]

6. Fucking idiots

[progressoid]

59. You're too kind. eom.

[Solly Mack]

76. I've been working on it. :)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Bet they have some Clinton supporters, though.

Oh yes, I bet they do.

[DemBones DemBones]

14. No, they're surely all Repubs who think McCain is too liberal.

You don't know much about the Church of God, do you?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. You don't know much about a lot of your fellow Dems, do you? nt

[GainesT1958]

37. Shoot...we don't want to see the sign...

They'd do about Hillary! They probably wore their first sign's lettering out about eight years ago with all the insults they put up about her hubby.:eyes:

B-)

[loves_dulcinea]

134. my sister is of their ilk

we have often shouted at one another, last we spoke, i told her i'd rather go to hell than to be like her church "brethren".

[izquierdista]

176. Together in the hereafter

I've often made fundies of that stripe completely befuddled when I tell them that I will see them in the hereafter. After they protest that they will be in heaven while I am damned to hell, I point out that my idea of hell would be sitting in their heaven with them. :-)

[yardwork]

127. I tend to doubt that. I'll bet they're all George W. Bush Republicans.

[salin]

8. Would this not violate not for profit status?

Clearly that is a "political" (and hateful/bigotted) message.

[truthpusher]

15. excellent question.

[Irishonly]

29. You Would Think So

The IRS will go after an Episcopalian church for having a sermon about peace. They will go after UCC because Obama gave a lecture-non political. They do not go after evangelical churches pushing a neocon agenda. There have been reports of voting guides in their bulletins, kick members out that vote democratic and very non Christian activities. As a member of a liberal church it really makes me mad. All people of faith pay the price for these Christians in wolves' clothing.

[kestrel91316]

44. Well, I assume they are a bunch of Republicans, so there's nothing

wrong with it. That rule is only for liberal churches with lots of Democrats.

[dmr]

67. Designed to protect the integrity of the election process.

To me it's lying by omission. They may think they're not endorsing a candidate, but they are. There is no way, any American, especially those who are held ethically bound to be truthful - beyond any reasonable doubt - could even post that sign for all the world to see. The pastor knows what he's doing. He is allowing his church to interfere or tamper with the election process. It's plain dirty. Shame on them. They ought to be held accountable.

From Americans United:
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=resources&page=NewsArticle&id=9055&security=1441&news_iv_ctrl=2422

Religion, Partisan Politics And Tax Exemption:
What Federal Law Requires And Why
- snip -
This regulation is also designed to protect the integrity of the election process. Special types of organizations already exist to help political hopefuls win public office. Those groups, such as Political Action Committees, have a different tax status and are organized under a different set of rules than 501(c)(3) groups, rules designed to ensure that the nation's campaign-finance laws are followed. Blurring the distinction between these two types of organizations would harm both religion and politics.

Due to misinformation spread by advocates of church-based electioneering, some clergy are confused about federal tax law and how it impacts political activity in houses of worship. For example, some religious leaders might wonder what constitutes an endorsement of a candidate. Prohibited activities include letters of endorsement printed on the letterhead of the church, synagogue, temple or mosque. Distribution of campaign literature, pulpit endorsements of candidates, display of campaign signs on religiously owned property and other similar activities also clearly indicate partisan involvement in an election. (It should be noted, however, that clergy may endorse candidates as individuals in forums outside the church or work on behalf of candidates during their personal time.)

Penalties for violating federal law include loss of tax-exempt status or financial penalties imposed on officials of the house of worship in question. This is more than a theoretical concern; the IRS does enforce the law in this area. The Church at Pierce Creek near Binghamton, N.Y., lost its tax-exempt status in 1995 after the IRS determined it had violated federal tax law by publishing a full-page ad in USA Today in late October of 1992 advising people that voting for presidential candidate Bill Clinton was a sin and soliciting tax-exempt donations to defray the cost of the ad. The church sued in federal court to regain its tax-exempt status, but a federal appellate court ruled unanimously that the IRS was right to revoke the church's tax-exempt status.

So what are the election-related activities that a house of worship may engage in? There are many. For example, houses of worship may sponsor nonpartisan voter registration drives. They may encourage voting and transport people to the polls on Election Day. They may also sponsor non-partisan candidate forums at which all legally qualified candidates for a given office are invited to appear.

What about "voter guides" produced by outside groups? Houses of worship should be extremely wary of voter guides produced by outside groups, especially the Christian Coalition. Many of these groups hold a tax status that permits them to engage in partisan activities that religious organizations are not permitted to take part in. Also, when a guide has been produced by an outside group, religious leaders have no way of knowing if the answers are accurate or if the guide has been intentionally slanted to favor certain candidates.
- More at above link -

[Lasher]

79. Campaign signs on religiously owned property

They're definitely guilty of that.

Edit: Looks like you can report them to the IRS, pursuant to instructions here:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html

[dmr]

94. IRS: may not "participate in opposition to any candidate"

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=181570,00.html

IRS Continues Program on Political Campaign Activity by Charities; Stresses Education and Enforcement


IR-2008-61, April 17, 2008

WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service today announced its Political Activities Compliance Initiative (PACI) once again will be in effect for the 2008 election season. The PACI program seeks to educate section 501(c)(3) organizations such as charities and churches about the federal law concerning political campaign activity and to enforce the law in this area.

By law, organizations exempt from tax under Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3) may not “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”

“We take very seriously our obligation to ensure that tax-exempt organizations have the information they need to make the right decisions about political campaign activities,” said Steven T. Miller, Commissioner of IRS’ Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division. “The vast majority of organizations want to do the right thing, and as in past years, we will continue our efforts to make sure they have the information they need.”

The prohibition against political campaign activity has been in effect for more than half a century and bars certain tax-exempt organizations from intervening on behalf of or in opposition to political candidates. However, these organizations can engage in advocating for or against issues and, to a limited extent, ballot initiatives or other legislative activities.

The IRS is making extensive efforts to educate 501(c)(3) organizations, political parties and candidates. Letters are being sent to the national political party committees explaining the law’s prohibition regarding charities and churches. In March, a letter was published in the Federal Election Commission’s monthly newsletter, asking candidates to ensure that their contacts with charitable organizations do not inadvertently jeopardize the tax-exempt status of any charity. The IRS has issued a news release on the subject in every presidential election year since 1992.

The IRS also has posted on its Web site a “program letter” to its Exempt Organizations employees. The letter explains the PACI objectives for 2008 and emphasizes the IRS’ priority both to educate the public and tax-exempt community about the law pertaining to political campaign intervention and to maintain a meaningful enforcement presence in this area.

Exempt Organizations Director Lois G. Lerner noted that PACI’s enforcement procedures will remain in the hands of career IRS employees who are experts in the tax law in this area.

“As in the past, we will continue to use existing procedures, including a committee of career civil servants, to determine which cases to pursue,” Lerner said. “We will focus on cases involving allegations of egregious violations.”

Lerner said the IRS Exempt Organizations function plans a report on the 2008 election year which will be based on the experience of prior election cycles, and will continue working with the tax-exempt community to identify areas for additional guidance.

“By continuing to work closely with the tax-exempt community, we can provide guidance and education to help charities and churches comply with the law,“ Lerner said. “We also must continue to monitor the actions of tax-exempt organizations involving political campaigns, in order to carry out our obligation to administer the tax law consistent with congressional intent.”

In June 2007, the IRS released a Report on the Political Activity Compliance Initiative for the 2006 election cycle. This report, PACI 2006, follows the report on prohibited political campaign intervention in the 2004 election cycle, which was issued in February 2006.

[Lasher]

99. Very good!

A lot of these violations occur but there's not many people in the church at the time are going to come forward. It's not often that you find people stupid enough to post an infraction outside the church for all the world to see.

[AngryOldDem]

125. I'm not sure what constitutes a violation.

That's why I am all for stripping churches of their nonprofit status.

[Critters2]

153. It absolutely does. 501c3 organizations cannot take a stand

in favor of or in opposition to a candidate or party. Some needs to report this to the IRS.

[joeglow3]

159. Obama's church is just as bad

I am a Catholic tax CPA and am constantly ticked at the government's inability to ever enforce this on either side of the aisle. Wright's speech about Clinton and Obama was just as bad and should result in his church being stripped of their status. However, as bad as it is, the government has been lazy going after church's on both sides of the aisle.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

167. So what's the difference between Wright and the Pope?

One used to fight for the marines. The other fought for Nazi Germany.

One blames institutionalized racism for problems today, the other blames arab muslims.

One suspects the government has conspired to spread AIDS to black people. The other is conspiring to spread AIDS to by preventing the use of condoms.

One's black. The other's white.

[joeglow3]

177. One violates 501(c)(3) and one doesn't

It appears you are trying to excuse a violation of one's tax exempt status with unrelated behavior of another. There is NOTHING wrong with either church discussing race or AIDS (legalling speaking). There IS a problem with one specifically naming a candidate as a better option to elect that another specifically named candidate.

Nice try with equating their violation of IRC Section 501(c)(3) with racism, though.

[elocs]

9. John 11:35 "Jesus wept". n/t

[geek tragedy]

11. Does the cross above the alter burn there?

Let's hope lightning strikes that place-on Sunday morning.

[AndyTiedye]

75. Probably Not, But Methinks That Congregation Meets in Other Venues that Feature Burning Crosses

[DesertRat]

12. That is disgraceful

"They voted unanimously to keep the sign up Sunday night." It's people like these who give Christianity a bad name.

And what the hell does "humm" mean?

edited to say: I know that he means "hmmm"...but what morons.

[Cheap_Trick]

16. fucker needs to lose his tax exempt status

yesterday. Turn it in to the IRS.

[MrModerate]

17. The no-opposable-thumb crowd heard from again. n/t

[kestrel91316]

46. You made me spit tea all over my keyboard with that.

[MrModerate]

60. I do my best . . .

And I have found that an extremely useful phrase in the past. Everyone who needs to know what you mean, does, and anyone you'd rather didn't, can't.

[parasim]

18. Gee, Pastor Byrd, the name of your church is so close to "Jonestown" Church of God...

I feeling might be a cult. Humm...

idiot.

[Skittles]

20. that is a FUCKING DISGRACE

if I saw that I would stop and have it out with them - it is EGREGIOUS and an AFFRONT to ALL DECENT PEOPLE

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. HAHAHAHAHA!

He misspelled "hmmmm."

[Ed76638]

23. But...But...

Obama has that black pastor everyone hates.

[graycem]

24. This is disgusting...

Are they the only church in that town. Other DECENT christians should confront him and tell him he's giving his church and his religion a bad name. Such hypocrites.

[Mz Pip]

25. There are times

when I wish we could outlaw stupid people. But we can't.

[harmonicon]

45. no, but what we could do....

.... is revoke these crooks' tax-exempt status for shit like this and put the money into education. I would love for there to be a massive "Manhattan Project" to wipe out stupidity.

[dogfacedboy]

108. Unfortunately, you are correct. However,

it is not illegal to marginalize them, berate them, or to point out their stupidity for all to see.
I find nothing more enjoyable than publicly humilliating mentally deficient, so-called "Christian" white trash.

Disclaimer: My referrence to white trash is not racist commentary. I am white myself.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

26. Once again, a "Good Christian"...

Conveniently ignores that commandment regarding False Witness.

I am sure this preacher bozo can do a 3 hour soliloquy about the need to put The Ten Commandments everywhere, including down your throat. But when it comes to practicing those precepts, not so much.

[momster]

98. According to Christ's Teachings

all men are brothers. You may not like what your brother does, but it doesn't change the love you are supposed to feel for one another.

That's not to say this preacher-dude isn't a moron first-class with clusters.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

119. Jonesville Church of God

bwahahahaha!

Reminds me of the Knight's Tale, where the english taunt the french, claiming that jeezus was british.

[Journeyman]

27. Jonesville, Jonestown . . . hmm . . . both led by whackjobs? . . .

I'm not being judgmental or critical of small mind America, but it does make you stop thinking to contemplate this.

[sakabatou]

36. Nice!

[GOPNotForMe]

28. Sometimes it's annoying when someone is on the fence.

So I appreciate the fact that this stupid-ass church didn't do something I felt compelled to equivocate or rationalize, or give someone the benefit of the doubt. Instead I can say that every member of that church is a fucking moron, probably resulting from rampant inbreeding.

[Name removed]

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[Divine Discontent]

74. b*ttf*ck*rs? that's a term I've had screamed at me for being gay and...

you're using it in a derogatory manner about jerks who are being bigoted about Obama. This makes no sense.

[sharesunited]

31. Just remind the pastor not to judge a book by its cover.

That may not be scriptural but it is a good old saying nonetheless, in helping you accept new people.

[krkaufman]

64. Perhaps more educational would be revocation of the church's tax exemption ...

... since the arsehole is getting into politics.

[sandnsea]

32. Well I think some South Carolinians need to go to church

And teach those 'god fearin' patriots' a thing or two. That's the only way this kind of thing is going to stop.

[GainesT1958]

33. Of course not...

But they've probably got a lot of "up-standin' Klansmen" among their congregation!:eyes:

Ignorance is never easy to overcome, but it's always possible to do so.

Or, as the late Tug McGraw once put it:

"You gotta believe!":D

B-)

[nightrain]

34. Hmm... well if Obama is like Osama, how about...

Byrd is like turd.

or Byrd is like nerd.

I don't like green eggs and ham. Sam I am.

Pastor Byrd reads Dr Seuss.

[beyurslf]

35. I hope the IRS looks into this.

[santamargarita]

39. Yes, investigate this God Damn Pagan

K&R

[Heathen57]

84. I'm Pagan by tradition

and that piece of worm-ridden filth wouldn't be accepted by any of the pagans I know of. Even the Vikings for all their violent tendencies wouldn't put up with such warped "People of Gawd".

Maybe they should interbreed with Phelps of the "God hates (insert your group here) and they would all pass on from their head imploding trying to out-hate each other.

[BreweryYardRat]

93. Things that make you say hmm...

"The Vikings, for all their violent tendencies, wouldn't put up with such warped 'People of Gawd'."

And they had some very interesting amusements, which were inflicted on a lot of people far less deserving of them than this so-called Pastor and his congregation.

Hmm...the tree, the knife, and the nail, anyone?

[KamaAina]

143. Don't you mean "things that make you say 'humm'"?

:P

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

42. That,s the thing

You can,t just tell a church it has to pay tax,s just because you don,t agree with what they believe! In the same way that you can,t bend their beliefs over your way because you think your way is the best way.And you can throw as much money to the candidate as you want to for as many of you as there are and even if your choice of a candidate wins ,that still doesn,t mean you can have it your way! Sorry to have to tel,l ya, but every time Obama gets mad and avoids a question or walks off the stage ,I just gotta laugh!

You see it,s simple, we just don,t always get what we want when we think we should have it. In fact most people want befor they are ready to receive,and that,s the plain truth. Ofcourse there is the true fear that your options may dry up after twenty five years or so! That,s a very real fear.But that does not mean all of your options are flushed down the old tolet or one,s whole life for that matter. And surely that doesn,t mean you would feel inclined to hold on to gun,s and religion for dear life.

[Name removed]

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[Wash. state Desk Jet]

52. Indeed for the love

god you say? holy spell check ! how serious does it have to be? Look deep into your heart of hearts and if you do you just might see a little glimmer of the light of truth if you have just a little bit of a sense of humor,.
my goodness ,remedial english! forgive my lackdaisical ways about wording and sentencing,and i will work hard at becomming a good wordsmith! I promise and that,s no lie!

[harmonicon]

48. Are you a member of this church?

poor spelling..... faulty logic..... demonstrated lack of knowledge of plain facts..... hummmmm..... are they related?

[MessiahRp]

50. Actually no churches are supposed to be involved in politics

It violates their tax exemption agreements and if they were found to be in violation of that, YES they should lose their exempt status.

This is blatant political hackery.

Maybe in your incoherent paragraph you try to make some case that Obama deserves this but you make as little sense as this ridiculous pastor and his parish of fools.

Rp

[AngryOldDem]

126. A tip for ya:

This symbol, ', is called an apostrophe. It indicates when a letter is missing as in, "don't," short for "do not."

This symbol, , , is called a comma. It indicates clauses, natural pauses in speaking, delinates items in a list, etc.

So endeth today's grammar lesson.


(I hate to play spelling cop, but this kind of shit just gets UNDER MY LAST NERVE. Any point you are trying to make gets lost in the poor grammar and syntax.)

[kestrel91316]

136. That's bacically what I said. I wanna know why

MY post got deleted and yours didn't.

I swear some of these freaks have friends in DUs enforcement wing.....

[Critters2]

154. Okay, most of this just confuses me. But

I can respond to this:

"You can,t just tell a church it has to pay tax,s just because you don,t agree with what they believe!"

Churches and other 501c3 organizations are not allowed to speak specifically and clearly in favor of or in opposition to a candidate or party. The sign mentioned above clearly shows opposition to Obama. Legally, this church should lose its tax exempt status. Nothing to do with whether I agree with what they believe. If they want to maintain 501 c3 status, they've got to play by the rules. They can say whatever they want. But if they say some things, they have to pay taxes.

[proust78]

38. Roger Byrd and Fred Phelps...hmm are they brothers?

survey says: CORRECT!

[MidwestTransplant]

40. One of the Church's members:

[davidinalameda]

41. I don't think that the good pastor recognizes Christ

Matthew 7:1-5
Jesus said to his disciples: "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. Why do you notice the splinter in your brother´s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ´Let me remove that splinter from your eye,´ while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother´s eye.”

[Diogenes2]

65. Hey, that Jesus guy had some cool ideas!

Too bad some of his self-proclaimed followers don't even seem to know their apostrophes from their commas...

[davidinalameda]

124. Jesus had some really cool ideas

[yardwork]

129. Those are words that many of us here on DU (including me) would do well to remember.

[JeanGrey]

49. Revoke their tax status immediately. Separation of church

and state. Not to mention these people are idiots.

[New Dawn]

54. A lot of right-wing churches publicly display political slogans

There was a church here that had a message like "Support our President" that everyone could see as they drove by. This was also the same church that my precinct had to vote in as well!

[JeanGrey]

57. Support our President I could see. The President can be

anyone. The Obama sign is actively against one candidate. That should not be allowed.

[New Dawn]

66. I forgot to add, this was in 2004

So it was directly referring to Bush.

[JeanGrey]

97. Neither should be allowed.

[Aristus]

53. Well, that's what happens when cousins marry...

:eyes:

[nichomachus]

56. Never has it been know

Pastor Byrd says the sign is not met to be racial or political but rather to make people think.

Never has it been known that a right-wing Christian pastor wanted people to think.

[Bette Noir]

58. That church

would give Jesus a rash.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

63. How about the wright percentages

Now the question is , is the sign only ten percent of the message? Or five percent % or 2%
Is 90 percent of what,s in that sign really inside the church? What does brother mean?
Is the sign ment to draw persons into the church? The old lost ,misguided souls as the saying goes!More like deceptive advertising perhaps!Is the product always what it is billed to be? Or what it looks like on the package? What does quick to judge mean?

Is the church addressing what,s on the minds of those within it,s locality? Do they count by the way?

What did rev. Wright mean when he said god damn America ,or what was his point ?
Should that church and it,s congragation pay the fed back in taxs?What would you expect your U.S. congressional representive to do if he or she were attending a church sermon where god damn America was the preachers opening statement?Would you think it,s ok for your representive to feel that way at times? Would you forgive that?These questions are raised threw your comments!

And will all that dry up in twenty five years !

[kestrel91316]

137. Dude. Please.

STOP ABUSING THE PUNCTUATION.

[Critters2]

155. Actually, Trinity UCC is being investigated by the IRS.

So, what's your point?

[LanternWaste]

170. A sign, in and of itself, is its own context.

What the Rev. Wright said was (as we all know) out of context. A sign, in and of itself, is its own context.

(Sheesh, you spell badly! I mean, I'll let the obvious typo's and common spelling gaffs off the hook, but you either need a lot more work on your grammar, punctuation and spelling-- or you're doing a very good job of hiding)

[alittlelark]

61. Calling ALL Lawyers.... They just lost their 'tax exempt status'...

Easy case, good notoriety for the firm that takes on the case.

[Umbram]

100. The IRS handles this themselves.

I don't think there are private attorneys general for this sort of matter.

[buckrogers1965]

62. Aren't we all brothers?

According to Christ?

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

68. Ah, yes befor law school!

If I were wheeling on by that sign ,it may have occured to me that the chain of being may have to do with the preachers sign!Most deceptivly ofcourse! I may have thought, that,s a good way to capture some of those siners preacher!Seems like my kind of sermon! Semi seriously though as the good man said at Woodstock, remember ,the man next to you is your brother and you danm well better treat him as such!And so buckrodgers 1965 you just may be correct! And I may have lied about law school!

[Kool Kitty]

70. What about law school?

Did you say that you went to law school? I doubt you made it to high school.

[humbled_opinion]

80. He actually sounds like he

was hittin the pipe before he typed that... Ya know what I mean!!

[girl gone mad]

90. Wow..

I think I got a contact high just reading it.

[Critters2]

156. Your kind of sermon?

I don't see you being around here long. But that's me.

[tblue37]

69. Obvious politicking--they need to lose their tax exempt stauts immediately! n/t

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

71. There is lots of things to doubt these days kool kitty

more than you may realize,or even care to. What I have made it threw in fact is more than a few general elections. I really don,t remember high school. I do recall a war was going on. I think it dried up.

[Kool Kitty]

73. I have no idea what you are trying to say to me.

If you are referring to the war in Vietnam, it ended. It didn't dry up. I've been through lots of general elections. What am I supposed to doubt? What I was referring to was your somewhat illegible posts. What the hell are you talking about?

[haymakeragain]

111. Your posts are unreadable, go back to school, learn a little grammar,

some spelling, some sentence structure, and maybe throw in a little logic. Perhaps then you will be worthy of a read. Until that day, later. Oh yeah, get out more.

[kestrel91316]

138. I said that exact thing twice and both got deleted. Go figure.

[Divine Discontent]

72. LOL, you just cannot make this crap up - & it's gonna happen for the next 6 months!

THIS - my friends on DU, who are for Hillary or Barack, or who were for other candidates (Edwards for me!) and are accepting we have to vote for one of these two left - THIS is why we must unite together - because I cannot believe there is even ONE person on DU who loves this website, that agrees with that false church leader's sign. We ALL surely find it ignorance and bigotry at its finest.

Sounds like they need some picketing done for the sign.

[happygoluckytoyou]

77. I NOTICE THEY ARE NEVER IN THE SAME ROOM.... HMMMMM

OF COURSE I NEVER SEE BUSH IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HIS BRAIN...

[humbled_opinion]

81. Why do these so called Chirstians hate

so much... How could they compare the next POTUS to a vile terrorist? Why do they hate so much?

[and-justice-for-all]

82. Those nut jobs are scarred to death that people...

might end up on an equal playing field and they will be able to think of themselves as superior to others.

They are scarred to death and I love it, it just goes to show ya just how insecure they really with their own religion. Nice they are displaying their true face to the world, just makes'em look even more ridiculous then they are ready are.

[ecdab]

83. Jonesville SC is little more than a few single wides gathered together

on a rural route outside of Union (and Union isn't anything to write home about). I know the area well - people that dress up in white sheets and pointy hats still live there. This doesn't surprise me at all. It's a sad place filled with truly bitter people that believe they aren't racists because black people really are inferior.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

120. you mean they are NOT?

And not one double wide, not even for the mayor?

actually, the poor in spirit (as these folks are) are as badly off as the poor in finances, and when both combine forces, as here, their's is a hard life. The worst ideals come out - raising their own self-image by spitting on others.

"Education? No, dont not need none. My parents done without. I done without, my kids will done without. "

It is not the only place like this in America. I'll even bet that evolution is considered a crime in these parts.

[yardwork]

130. These are the people about which Obama spoke.

Obama told the truth. Guns, God, and gays. They've been taught that that's all that matters, and they blindly ignore how the system is destroying them.

[mdmc]

85. "Church of God" - is that the same church that Jimmy Carter belongs too

or is it some whack job - fred phelps type church?

[kestrel91316]

139. Uh, Jimmy Carter is Baptist.

[Critters2]

157. Jimmy Carter belongs to the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. nt

[liberal N proud]

86. Make people think? BULL SHIT!

It is telling people what to think.

[matcom]

88. They must be pretty bitter in Jonesville

:eyes:

[girl gone mad]

89. There's a convicted sex offender named "Roger Byrd"..

in my town. They must be brothers, or maybe they're same person. At the very least, it's compelling evidence that this Roger Byrd of Jonesville Church of God is a pedophile/pervert and or rapist.

We should let his congregation know ASAP so they can think it over.

[Vinca]

91. Sounds political to me. Revoke their tax exempt status. Idiots. nt

[MaineDem]

92. There's no doubt what this is and it isn't "thought provoking"

It's an attempt to link Obama with terrorists and this church should lose any tax exempt status immediately.

[Orsino]

95. Hey, "Pastor"--aren't *all* men brothers?

I think you put up the sign to keep people from thinking, you racist fuck.

[truthpusher]

96. why are people recommending this thread?

[brooklynite]

101. Take a picture of the sign and send it to the IRS...

...with a complaint that the Church is in violation of the Internal Revenue Code:

If any of the activities (whether or not substantial) of your organization consist of participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office, your organization will not qualify for tax-exempt status under section 501(c)(3). -- IRS Publication 557

[IndependentDem]

102. a glass bottle is filled with gasoline then an oily soaked rag is placed in the neck of the bottle..

just sayin'...


(i do not endorse arson-- i just wouldn't be surprised)

[crim son]

103. Byrd Turd Hummm I wonder if they are related...?

The sign is meant to make people think? If I were one of his flock, I'd be embarrassed as all hell. Then again, I already know how to think.

[auburngrad82]

104. Take away their tax-exempt status. It's very much a political statement.

[Javaman]

105. Who are the Humm brothers? nt

[maxsolomon]

106. hey christian preacher:

all men are brothers.

you sad, foolish rural resident.

[Critters2]

158. What does being "rural" have to do with it?

There are assholes in cities, too. Trust me.

[mitchum]

107. Those ignorant crackers are in for a rude awakening come November

[yellowcanine]

109. "His name is so close to Osama I have a feeling he might be Islamic therefore he doesn't recognize

Christ," Pastor Byrd said.


That sentence right there tells you everything you need to know about Pastor Byrd.

[joeglow3]

110. I hate the government's inability to strip Church's 501(c)(3) status

There are TONS of churchs that violate their tax exempt status and NEVER face repurcussions of the government. This is just another example.

[pegleg]

169. As tough as it is to handle sometimes- separation works both ways.

Keeping government out of religion is just as important as keeping religion out of government. That is what the framers intended. If the government begins to tell churches what to say, then they can tell DU what and what not to say also. Believe me it is a slippery slope so we need to be careful. BUT, that is not to say that churches should be allowed to tell people how they should vote. And yes some churches do need to have their tax exemptions revoked OR at least warned - strongly. All that aside, short of telling people how to vote, government has no more business inside a church than it does monitoring DU.

[Ian David]

112. Jonesville Church of God of Racism

Monday, April 21, 2008
Jonesville Church of God of Racism



Jonesville, South Carolina - Pastor Roger Byrd of Jonesville Church of God put the sign up which reads "Obama Osama humm are they brothers?"
Pastor Byrd says the sign is not meant to be racial or political but rather to make people think. "His name is so close to Osama I have a feeling he might be Islamic therefore he doesn't recognize Christ," Pastor Byrd said.
story is HERE http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-04-20-0005.html

...yeah, hummm...we're pretty sure Pastor Byrd is a lying, racist...harbinger of goodwill...a true 'man of the cloth'...

More:
http://farnham.blogspot.com/2008/04/jonesville-church-of-god-of-racism.html



See also:

Jonesville church of god:

Physical Address:
1815 North East Main Street
Simpsonville, SC 29681

Mailing Address:
PO Box 309
Mauldin, SC 29662
Telephone Number: 864.963.4751 (extensions listed with each department below) Fax Number: 864.963.7161

State Office Hours:
Monday - Friday
8:30 a.m. - 12 Noon
1 p.m. - 4:30 p.m.

Listed below is our staff with their e-mail address.

More:
http://www.sccog.com/contact_us.cfm


M. Thomas Propes
State Overseer



Lori Lewis
Actually, kinda hot.


Not a single person of color in their "church" leadership...
http://www.sccog.com/leadership.cfm

[Duppers]

152. thanks for that **************CONTACT INFO ********************

My message was sent!

Everyone, please write to tell them what they truly are -- ignorant bigots.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[bmbmd]

160. Another important address.

Jonesville
Pastor: Roger Jewayne Byrd
PO Box 805
Jonesville, SC, 29353

[progressoid]

115. Hummm, the guy that fixed my car was named Jesus

Was he an illegal alien or the Son of God? Hard to say.

[DuaneBidoux]

171. Maybe he was an illegal alien who was the Son of God.

[DuaneBidoux]

116. It's still good to face up to what dems face with Obama, esp. among white rural voters.

Even old time democrats.

[iamthebandfanman]

141. if it takes obama to bring this subject

of closest racists to the surface then so be it.

its time america was exposed to itself,

[DuaneBidoux]

149. I so totally agree...and I think he is the man to do it.

[Generator]

121. Indeed I am related to Bennifer

Because if your name rhymes that means you are related, like no duh man.

[JuniperLea]

123. Someone will burn in hell for that...

What a freaking idiot. That is no church of God... those sentiments aren't anything close to what Christianity is supposed to be.

Dear God,

What would you have us do? I know we are supposed to love all your children, even when they forget they are supposed to do the same. I also know it's not polite to point out their shortcomings. Do we have any other alternative but to turn the other cheek?

Thought not.

Thanks anyway.

Juniper

[mcollier]

128. Feel free to give these assholes a piece of your mind

post a comment on their website...

http://www.sccog.com/contact_us.cfm

[JuniperLea]

132. Thank you so much!

My comment: Please do not use the Lord's name in vain. Our Lord Jesus Christ never taught us to hate our brothers and sisters, in fact, He said: Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Please do yourself, and the rest of us a huge favor and re-read the entire chapter of Matthew 25. We were given very specific instructions on how we should treat our brothers and sisters. It causes many Christians great pain to see other "alleged" Christians behaving in a very, very un-Christian manner... and your sign, forgive me for pointing out your error, is very, very un-Christ-like. Please do as Jesus said... love the sinner... even if it is only a perceived sinner.

[regnaD kciN]

133. Pastor Byrd's first name is a term for homosexual sex...

Hmmm could it be showing his hidden sexual orientation? :evilgrin:

[KamaAina]

144. Plus 'humm' could be short for 'hummer'

:evilgrin:

[insleeforprez]

175. And this contributes to the discussion how?

Or is it just a cheap attempt to associate something you don't like with gay people?

[NoGOPZone]

135. Make me think? OK Byrd, I think you're an asshole nt

[truthisfreedom]

140. I think it's a perfect site for Obama's next commercial. Have him meet with Pastor Roger as well.

Straighten that f*cker right out.

[yurbud]

142. someone needs to call righties bluff on this: Do they want to ban all muslims and even those with

muslim NAMES from holding public office?

What percentage of Muslim is permissible in a candidate?

[PanchoBass]

145. The smears will be futile

It's not 2004. Obama will not be swiftboated. we are ready this time.

[cui bono]

147. Pastor Roger Byrd's name is pretty close to Turd...

[gauguin57]

150. I say turn them in to the IRS.

Churches not supposed to be endorsing candidates, or they can lose their tax-exempt status.

This might as well be an endorsement for "the other guy" (or gal).

[crimsonblue]

151. Hey, this just makes it easier to identify the racists and fear-mongers...

I actually kinda like this idea. If all the idiots had crazy signs outside where they congregated, that would make my life a whole lot less stressful. I haven't clicked on the link yet, but me thinks this church is likely in the deep south.

[Andrushka]

161. Meanwhile, across town...

[bdamomma]

162. people are definitely not well (mentally)

7 years of bushie must have melted some minds.

[aunatrl]

163. Byrd, Bird?

Hummm, the "pastor's" name is so close to "bird" that I suspect this birdbrain may not recognize Christ - or Obama - or anything except the mirror that he pecks at all day long in his little self-satisfied universe.

[Bush_MUST_Go]

164. I have a feeling Pastor Byrd wears a white sheet come nightfall.

And most of his followers too.

It would be nice to see the AA and the Muslim community head over there & formally protest this racist s.o.b.

Stand up for your rights or you'll see more & more Christian fundy nutjobs trying to inflame hatred against other citizens.

[NoodleyAppendage]

165. "Jonesville Xtians - Fucking Idiots Humm Are They the Same?" n/t

J

[GoddessOfGuinness]

173. I can picture an array of signs like this outside that "church" on Sunday...

Jonesville CoG - Nazi Assholes
Humm
Are they the same?

[Mad_Dem_X]

166. Say what now?

The first thing that came into my head upon reading this was, Obama is a last name, Osama is a first name! I can't believe this is displayed outside of a CHURCH. Shame on them.

[davidthegnome]

168. Wow.

"They voted unanimously to keep the sign up Sunday night"

Uhm, they felt the need to vote regarding whether or not they should keep this stupid sign up? Just... wow. Go bugger yourself Roger, God (provided there is one) has better things to do than listen to you, and so does (almost) everyone else.

Yet this does raise the question... why is this worthy of any media attention what so ever? It's a bunch of idiot rednecks making a childish insult. We don't worry about a bunch of kids playing duck duck goose, nor should we worry about these people.

News indeed. In my conservative community, there are far worse signs - yet I don't see anyone writing articles about them.

[HuffleClaw]

172. "They voted unanimously to keep the sign up"

meep

[Rhythm]

174. One more reason i'm glad i moved away from the Carolinas

This does not surprise me one bit, and i hope like hell that supposed 'church' loses its tax exempt status, if only for sheer stupidity alone.