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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:03 PM
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McCain argues free trade is a solution, not the problem, in hard-hit industrial towns
Source: AP

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (AP) - Republican John McCain made a risky argument in a hard-hit Ohio steel town Tuesday, telling residents that free trade can help solve their problems.

. . .

«The biggest problem is not so much what's happened with free trade, but our inability to adjust to a new world economy,» McCain said during a town hall-style meeting at Youngstown State University.

«I think the answer is to understand that, free trade or not, we are in an information and technology revolution,» he said. «So we want people to be part of that revolution, and we've got to be part of that new economy, rather than try to cling to an old economy.

. . .

«I understand how emotional that issue and that agreement is, and those letters are,» he said. «There have been inadequacies, there has been dumping in our markets and there have been unequal wages. ... I believe the overall result of NAFTA has been an increase in economic benefits to our country,» he said.


«I can't look you in the eye and tell you that I believe those jobs are coming back,» McCain said. «What we've got to do is provide them with education and training programs that work.

Read more: http://www.pr-inside.com/mccain-argues-free-trade-is-a-r551483.htm



Hey dummy, you are out of work because you are a dummy. Got it?

Deal.

Vote for me.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:05 PM
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1. McCain tells industrial workers to STFU and get real jobs in cubicles. n/t
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:39 PM
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13. When was the last time McCain had a real job? If ever?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:08 PM
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2. sorry, chump, our technology jobs are being outsourced ot Inda and now China
anything informational will leave us behind to cheaper labor markets...what he is really saying is we need to lower our standard of living to a 3rd world nation, get phd's and peddle our minds like we used to peddle our backs..to the lowest bidder :grr:! did I forget to say :grr:?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:13 PM
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3. "I believe those jobs are coming back"
That's all we need to know, John. Time to shuffle off to the ol' rockin' chair.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:16 PM
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4. So, the steel mills, rubber plants, and other industries left the 'rust belt' because the
workers there weren't apart of the 'new world economy' and they were uneducated and untrained?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:21 PM
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7. That is the jist of it
except

Vote for John McCain

He is the straight shooter who will call you an uneducated idiot when need be.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:16 PM
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5. Education and training programs
I'm all for them!



Education



Training program
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:24 PM
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9. You're on the wrong website, Vladimir
:thumbsdown:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:20 PM
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6. Please, McSame, keep on repeating that
That message will go over real well for you in the election, let me tell you...
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:23 PM
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8. That free trade has worked out so well for them
Hasn't it?

I'm surprised someone didn't throw a tomato at him.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:47 PM
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11. Can't affort to. n/t
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ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:11 PM
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19. LOL,,,true,,tomatoes are expensive!! Keep it up McCain, lose big in November..ha ha
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:42 PM
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10. Yeah, and bleeding is a solution to low blood pressure.
Education and training programs that work? Oh, right, learning to speak Chinese! ;-)
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:16 PM
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12. And once again, ladies and gentlemen, the definition of insanity...
The Republicans won't stop beating that dead horse, because they know millions of people will vote themselves into starvation over "wedge issues" (reproductive rights, civil rights, etc.) that shouldn't be issues at all.
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H8fascistcons Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:41 PM
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14. Absolutely...
These are the same stupid people that proudly spoke out that they were Reagan Democrats, well they got the criminal Fascist Reagan revolution, hook, line and sinker. I still don't think they have figured it out, especially if they vote for one of the two republicans in this race, Mc Cain or Hillary, time will tell...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:46 PM
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15. If clinging to an "old economy" is wrong than why are "old economy" jobs still around?
Why is manufacturing an "old economy" industry? We still need transportation. We still buy and want electronic products.

Products still have to be manufactured. Why send manufacturing jobs overseas or across the border when those jobs are necessary for our economy?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:28 AM
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37. The (t r u e) answer to that is very simple:
the E L I T E (C E O types and their licking lackeys) want mo' profit$

to hell with any now "poor" slaves of the now "former" middle-class...
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:48 PM
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16. Kick this up to the front page so nobody misses it.
Pass copies around during the General.

Things look pretty sweet through those $100 million rose colored glasses.

:puke:
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:50 PM
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17. Was he wearing his pajamas backward when he said this? Desert before dinner?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:00 PM
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18. Of course! Its all our fault. We're the ones who are maladjusted.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:19 PM
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20. What an idiot.
I'm truly beginning to believe that man fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.
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darue Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:25 PM
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21. American corporate management has FAILED this nation and it IS a _national security_ matter.
idiocy. a family can't live half-well for less than 40k a year and the poverty line is just under that. how can our workers EVER compete against $1000 a year employees that can be treated as a slaved they don't need to house or feed?

This is why we TRIED to get minimum labor standard as part of any trade deal. This is why labor rights and human deceny HAD to have been in the WTO/NAFTA/ETC. But... the republicans of course screwed that up too. With Bill C.'s help.

There will never be enough "high-tech" jobs for everyone, it's completely impossible.

Anyway the cost of ONE CEO is as much as an entire companies labor force, but it's the labor that's too expensive? What we need to do is take this countries entire management class and march them into the ocean. They've utterly FAILED this nation and it IS a national security matter.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:42 PM
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22. Marching overpaid CEO's into the ocean is not the answer
Too much trash in the oceans as it is.

I say grind them up for fertilizer.
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darue Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:25 PM
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24. bio-fuel maybe? it's a new chance for Vivoleum
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darue Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:27 PM
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25. seriously though, this should be considered a 'national security issue'
I hope Obama makes it one.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:13 PM
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29. That end ...

I assume that unless Dr. Evil operates the grider, the death will be too swift. I think extreme poverty would pretty much do it.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:53 PM
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23. Hey, McShame! You've already GOT Free Trade deals up the wazoo
And yet, there are millions unemployed - caused by cheap, overseas labor.

When does "Free Trade" start working it's magic here at home?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:37 PM
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26. We can manufacture water pails ....
Or how bout truncheons for beating hungry citizens ?

Bullets ?

Heck yeah Johnnie boy ! ... We can sell them LOADS of bullets, cause the ruling elites of outsource countries are gonna need them ....
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:51 PM
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27. isn't there a genetic test for the alzheimer gene available now?
mccain needs to get that test
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:11 PM
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28. Go to programming school, have your job outsourced ...

Yes, and all those outsourced IT workers, these people have failed to "adapt" the the "world economy". You see, the modern jobs are in the job outsourcing markets. In the new US economy, Americans will merely take turns sending one another's outsourcing jobs overseas. It's a perpetual loop!!!!

I used to have respect for John McCain. The guy has COMPLETELY folded!!!!

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:29 PM
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30. McClown. Like Bewsh, only more dumberer.
I'd tell Cotton Hill McClown to read my journal but I doubt that doddering old bastard even knows what planet he's on.

You want to know what the sad part of it all is? I bet there's more than a few blue collars who'll hear him say this and STILL vote for him . . . just because he's a goddamned Repuke and "I don't want my taxes raised!!" Uh, guess what schmuck? Your taxes are GOING to be raised. They HAVE to be raised. The debt is at 9 trillion and climbing. What, did you think 20 years of Repuke "tax relief" could go on forever without consequences? Do you actually think giving all the money to ONE class of people is the way to run an economy? SIIIIIIIIIGH.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:34 AM
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34. Oh, I would not call him dumb.
Power hungry and willing to sell his soul to satan for a shot at president? Maybe but not a clown......after all clowns are people to and have you ever seen a clown cry? Its sad.
Now if he was a mime it might be a different story especially since he would not be able to open his mouth to speak *grin*
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:33 AM
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31. My wife and I are artists.
We both have trouble selling in a market that has been steadily declining because of one major thing...

The incredible influx of fake "hobby lobby" art & craft that the Wal Mart crowd can get for dirt cheap.

Once upon a time you could sell art pretty cheap to get by, but not dirt cheap.

Anymore, people's homes are decorated by Wal Mart and Hobby Lobby crap that sells for about 1/3 to 1/10 of what they once paid at art & craft fairs for better quality, hand made items.

Free trade can suck it.

The irony is that Hobby Lobby makes money off of artists by selling art supplies, so they get some artists (who buy from them) coming and going.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:56 AM
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32. The "stop living here" argument will be mcblame's undoing.
Blaming Americans for trying to be Americans.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:28 AM
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33. America has no free markets.
Supply is controlled by one or two competing monopolies and their associated advertisers. Demand is shrinking, cause our salaries are shrinking, because the gubermint is actively working against the American worker. The bushes are purposely keeping our wages low. With low wages (and tight credit) their is low demand.

The market is rigged against the worker and has been for at least 30 years. America has been surviving on borrowed money. But now the borrowing has stopped. Who knew?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:41 AM
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35. "Supply is controlled by one or two competing monopolies"?
Umm link please?
I mean I know there are alot of large corporations who control alot of stuff in the country like Time/Warner, News Corp. and a few others but I did not think it was so bad as to be down to 1 or 2 only.
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:06 AM
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36. This is a perfect example from one who is taking
economic advice from the likes of Grover Norquist and former Senator Phil
Gramm. After all look where it has gotten us economically since the supply
siders took over and adopted FUBAR economics. Free trade is NOT the issue
FAIR trade is the issue and it is about time that be recognized. Dan Rostenkowski
was correct when he said he was "not a protectionist, but he was also not a patsy."
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:31 PM
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38. McCain to starving: "Trust me, my friends, you're not bitter." nt
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