Clinton wins Pennsylvania primary

[onehandle]

Source: AP

PHILADELPHIA - Hillary Rodham Clinton has won the Pennsylvania primary, defeating Barack Obama and staving off elimination in a riveting race for the Democratic presidential nomination. The former first lady was winning 53 percent of the vote Tuesday night, compared with 47 percent for her rival. She hoped for significant inroads into Obama's overall lead in the competition for delegates to the Democratic National Convention.

Clinton scored her victory by winning the votes of blue-collar workers, women and whites in an election where the economy was the dominant concern. More than 80 percent of voters surveyed as they left their polling places said the nation was already in a recession.

snip...

"In the last 10 years Barack Obama has taken almost $2 million from lobbyists, corporations and PACs. The head of his New Hampshire campaign is a drug company lobbyist, in Indiana an energy lobbyist, a casino lobbyist in Nevada," said a Clinton commercial that aired in the final days of the race.

Obama responded with an ad that accused Clinton of "eleventh-hour smears paid for by lobbyist money." It said that unlike his rival, he "doesn't take money from special interest PACs or Washington lobbyists — not one dime."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/primary_rdp

[LSparkle]

1. Also MSNBC ... but no margin

THAT's the big story tonight -- how much of a victory it
will be.

[IndyOp]

2. Congratulations to the Clinton supporters around the nation! (n/t)

[BklnDem75]

3. With 3% reporting?

That's some magic 8 ball!

[onehandle]

5. Some states are called with 1% counted... plus exit polls.

You must be new to politics.

[barb162]

23. Thank you!

[Mojambo]

4. Goes without saying

The margin. We need to know the margin to declare a winner.

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[Pastiche423]

7. Aaaannnnnnnnddddd we're off...

to a brokered convention! Hip hip hurray!

[ToughLuck]

8. How much of this went to Operation Chaos???

[AlphaCentauri]

9. Looks like this note was written yesterday

so soon to declare victory

[Juche]

10. The margins are tiny

A 53-47 win is only about 9 net delegates. Obama is going to net 15-20 from Carolina soon.

I'll support either candidate, but Hillary went from being about 160 delegates behind to 150 behind, and will be back at 160 behind in a couple of weeks. This is not a win in any meaningful sense of the word.

[travelingtypist]

11. She doesn't care if it's "meaningful."

All she cares about is this race is still close enough for her to use the superdelegates to get the nomination. Period. Despite being behind in every meaningful metric, she sees herself as equal to Obama and entitled to do whatever is necessary to achieve her goal. She took her lessons from Schaife and Murdoch well.

[LibGranny]

12. If true - it's a shallow win for her

but I'm sure her camp will blow it all out of proportion. I'll keep sending money to the man Obama till this is OVER.

[barb162]

24. She's winning by 10 points, a big win!

And I'll keep sending money to Hillary!

[xioaping]

36. Why waste your money on Clinton

You do that and see if she uses it to help Obama when it comes time for the general election. Fat chance. You are wasting your money. You might as well give it to the pubbies. giving it to Hillary is the same thing.

[guruoo]

13. Oh good. I would have missed all the cussin around here

had she decided to cash it in.

[mistertrickster]

14. Brit Hume let it slip that the exit polls were showing Hillary winning by only 6 percent.

That's NINE more delegates for Hillary.

Meanwhile, Obama is ahead by about one-hundred and fifty pledged delegates.

Indiana is going to be another essential tie.

Oregon is going to be a decisive win for Obama, ten points or more.

North Carolina is going to be a wipe-out for Obama, close to twenty points or more.

Then there're Puerto Rico, South Dakota, Montana which have no population to speak of.

So . . . Obama ends up with an even bigger delegate spread going into the convention than he has now.

Hillary is doing nothing except dragging Obama down into the mud of politics as usual.

Way to go, beyotch.

[rayofreason]

15. with 68% of the precincts...

HRC - 54%
BO - 46%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#PA

[barb162]

22. She's winning by 10 points right now!! Hurray!

[Zhade]

43. 6 points isn't ten points. Go take some remedial arithmetic.

NT!

[santamargarita]

16. Fear and Loathing in PA

-

[singilarpoint]

17. Hurray for clinton

Your absolute destruction of the Democratic party will continue!!!!! Although it is impossible for you to win the nomination without turning the party into a heap of ashes, you may continue on with your mission!!!!Hurray!!!!!I'll be thinkin of ya when President McCain is dropping bombs on Iran!!!!!!100 YEARS!!!100YEARS!!!

[mitchtv]

27. your concern for our party

is duely noted

[Plucketeer]

18. Ahhhh Hillary!

You're Executive Mansion awaits you. It IS yours, Right? You've even baked cookies there at one time - remember? Keep on stirrin' the pot for the Dems, Hill. McVain's already runnin' and you're showing your desperation. Very unbecoming.

[mitchtv]

19. what a bunch of mean spirited Sore losers

have some grace

[xioaping]

33. Its not like she really won Tell her to Quit gracefully

What do you mean have some grace. She picked up enough delagates to like not make a difference at all. The one who needs to show some grace is Clinton as in Gracefully bow out of a campaign she can not win unless she totally wants to wreck the party.

She is selfish. Her only hope is to mess things up so bad that people say, "Ok sore loser Hillary, what do you want?" To which she will reply, "Obama can have a cabinet position."

Grace?!!! Give me a break. She can not win. Tell her to drop out of the race and quit hurting the party.

[bpeale]

20. awfully quiet in here. did the obamabots heads implode or something?

[barb162]

21. LOL, LOL, LOL!!!!!

[Alcibiades]

29. congratulations

The Senator from Scranton won PA.

[xioaping]

34. Obamabots did not implode they are

sickened by Hillary win at all costs (to the party). She is a wrecking ball that will not stop swinging until she is the nominee or the convention is reduced to rubble. I hate her for it. I see new people registering for the first time so they can vote Democrate and for Obama. She could care less. It is all about her.

[bpeale]

37. what a sore loser you are

[xioaping]

38. Just stating facts and you are overwrought

It is you that is overwrought with emotionalism. You can not see the larger picture. Your team is hopelessly behind with no chance to win and you are cheering because it scored one. Meanwhile you are wearing out the one that will need to go the distance.

Stating facts does not make us sore losers. Yours is a cheap debating tactic. Revisit Logic 101 (if you ever took the course in the first place). Assigning false motives to an opponant might be a common debate tactic but no one ever falls for it. Certainly not anyone on here.

[bpeale]

39. see, that's where you're wrong. i don't have a horse in this race.

and i still think its sore loserman of you. i'm voting for john edwards in the GE, so, see i don't have a horse in your two person race, but your tactics are those of someone who cannot lose gracefully ... and worse yet, you refuse to admit you lost.

[xioaping]

42. Admission. We lost Pennsylvania but the nomination

we won. There is no way Clinton can get enough delegates to win the nomintion. So, I will admit that Clinton won Pennsylvania and Obama wins the nomination. I will also apologize if I was acting like a sore loser but I don't think so. Maybe I should have just held my comments and not made them on the day Clinton supporters had something to cheer about.

[bpeale]

44. and the democrats will go on to LOSE the general election

[dogfacedboy]

25. How many of Sen. Clintons' votes came from the right-tards?

Everyone knows that the dittodorks and hannity lickers have been voting for Sen. Clinton in Democratic primaries since the process began. Then those "elitist" comments from Sen. Obama sent those who can't understand his "fancy" words running to the Clinton camp. And then, of course, there are probably a certain number of "at least she's not black" idiots who vote for her, as well.

Whatever. Sen. Obama will be the nominee.

[barb162]

26. How many of Obama's votes came from the right-tards?

They know he'd be easier to beat in November.

[Ronnie]

28. If you are so sure of this,

why are you so agitated? Calm down.

[mcollier]

30. Seeing that elected delegates don't matter

I guess we may as well give Hillary the nomination? That argument is not going to fly... Obama will be the nominee, what and see...

[dogfacedboy]

46. Agitated? How am I agitated? nt

[PittPoliSci]

40. that's some real interesting conjecture you've got there...

love to see some facts to back that up sometime, whenever you get around to bullshitting those as well.

[dogfacedboy]

45. no bullshit at all. Rightwads have been voting for Sen Clinton

in primaries all over the country. She's the candidate they've been preparing to do battle with. They have presumed that she's the heir to the nomination.

[question everything]

31. Yes, with 10 points. And the Obama supporters cannot even graciously

accept this.

[xioaping]

35. What are we supposed to accept

That she picked up a few delagates and not nearly enough to change the outcome only that her hanging on is doing damage to the party. she should quit. It is fact.

[Zhade]

41. Um, 53 to 47 isn't ten points. You clinton supporters absolutely SUCK at math.

I guess that explains why you can't accept that she's still far behind and won't be the nominee.

[defendandprotect]

32. By morning, she'll have a 25% lead and will be headed ...

to taking the nomination . . .

but who will believe it?

[dogfacedboy]

47. Didn't happen. nt