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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:12 PM Original message |
It's Official Paper BALLOTS for the State of New York |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. You can still hack a scanner. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. In Minnesota, there are random audits... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. We voted by absentee ballot hoping they |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. but the paper ballots can be hand counted |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. "the paper ballots can be hand counted if there is a problem"???? |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. because the SCOTUS |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. No matter that it was SCOTUS, the recount wasn't completed. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. You count the paper ballots in public at a local level |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. "You count the paper ballots in public at a local level"?? Really?? Where??? |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. what would you trust then? n/t |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I wouldn't TRUST anything. I want elections verified. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. paper ballot hand count |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. A statiscally significant audit accounts for that, if only through an amount of fraud it assumes. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. I don't know what a "random statistic" is, but random errors do NOT favor specific candidates. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. "if there was a problem?" |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Don't confuse us with the facts. nt |
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BadgerKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. May there be no ballot shortage either. n/t |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
5. For the cost of buying, maintaining and storing all those opti-scanners |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Automation is good |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Learn about tabulators. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. But they don't need to be computers |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
44. NY has mechanical tabulators now. They are called lever machines. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Hand counting is cheaper and more accurate than |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. If hand counting is cheaper and more accurate than computers.... |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. You ask, "How come banks rely on electronic counters?" |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The cons with counting paper ballots by hand |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
6. I want my levers. Nothing wrong with my levers. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. Congratulations!!! |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. Bo sold out the levers. HAVA doesn't require replacing them. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. I love the levers |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Get new ones. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. does anyone |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Probably not. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
13. Optical scanners are the same as a "get away car" |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It is voting fraud right in front of our eyes. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. when the votes are tabulated |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Standards and exit polls to make sure the vote makes |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Your statement doesn't actually square with reality. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. by private |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. We already addressed the accuracy issue. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. are you saying |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. You're new to all this? |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. without an accurate count |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. For a really, really, close one. Yes. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. You didn't address Wilms' point about rigging L&A tests (not to mention vote counts). |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
14. Is McThuselah doing his version of Phil Hartmann's Frankenstein monster in your sig? |
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