Scalia On Bush v. Gore: Get Over It

[sabra]

Source: CBS News 60 Minutes

Supreme Court Justice Tells 60 Minutes It’s Nonsense To Say The Decision Was Politically Motivated

(CBS) People who believe the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision giving the 2000 presidential election to George W. Bush was politically motivated should just get over it, says Justice Antonin Scalia.

Scalia denies that the controversial decision was political and discusses other aspects of his public and private life in a remarkably candid interview with 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, this Sunday, April 27, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

"I say nonsense," Scalia responds to Stahl’s observation that people say the Supreme Court’s decision in Gore v. Bush was based on politics and not justice. "Get over it. It’s so old by now. The principal issue in the case, whether the scheme that the Florida Supreme Court had put together violated the federal Constitution, that wasn’t even close. The vote was seven to two," he says, referring to the Supreme Court’s decision that the Supreme Court of Florida’s method for recounting ballots was unconstitutional.

Furthermore, says the outspoken conservative justice, it was Al Gore who ultimately put the issue into the courts. "It was Al Gore who made it a judicial question…. We didn’t go looking for trouble. It was he who said, 'I want this to be decided by the courts,'" says Scalia. "What are we supposed to say -- 'Not important enough?'" he jokes.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/24/60minutes/main4040290.shtml

[lisa58]

1. he's full of shit and he knows it

[Timefortruth]

23. Bush v. Gore

Was a suit brought by Gore?

These guys don't even bother to try to make their lies believable anymore.

[Plucketeer]

25. What a loser

At least, Hermann Goering had some class to his act. This asshat's just a bombastic bully. :puke:

[Acadia Blue]

28. He is an Italian Musolinni style NAZI......

[mediaman007]

36. He obviously doesn't believe in God!

If he's a Catholic, he will get a pennance for his actions.

[MidwestTransplant]

2. BS the Bush people put it in the Federal courts. What a lying POS.

And if it was so cut and dry why did the court say the ruling ONLY applies to this case and should not be precedent for other cases. Also the decision was 5-4 that no alternative method could be established within the time limits established by Florida Legislature. That ended it. The 7-2 said it was a bad system but 2 of them wanted to establish a better method. LIAR.

[leftynyc]

16. That precendent thing jumped at me also

The whole reason for going to the court is to set a precendent - I don't even want to be in the same time zone when his karma catches up.

[Rambis]

3. Just get over the undermining of democracy!

FYTP Fuck you too pal!

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Don't you just love it when ...

... a Supreme Court justice dismisses the concerns of millions of Americans with a high-school (half-) witticism?

"Get over it!"

Like, dude -- really. Dude.

--p!
This dude doesn't abide.

[Mme. Defarge]

5. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :puke: :argh: :hurts: :spank: :grr: :thumbsdown: :banghead: :yoiks:

[MotorCityMan]

29. Agreed; I do not think anyone here will be able to "get over it"...

Jeez, for a SC justice, he responds like a 10 year old. Right up there with Darth's "So?"

And, sorry, if I remember correctly, the Bushies went to the courts first, screaming at the time that that was what Gore was doing.

And of COURSE it wasn't political! Who would have EVER even THOUGHT such a thing? :eyes:

[Seeking Serenity]

34. Delete

deleted owing to factual error.

[seafan]

6. Scalia loves democracy.

NOT





We will NEVER GET OVER IT.

[wellst0nev0ter]

32. Indeed, Faffanculo, That Rat Bastard

Impeachment is too good for the likes of him. Too bad we have an incumbency protection caucus running things in Congress right now.

[nashville_brook]

7. "get over it" is a sure sign it WAS politically motivated -- that phrase is used only in political

contexts. if there were a basis in law or reason, his response would point to that. this is political gloating.

[Mad_Dem_X]

82. True. nt

[anitar1]

8. I cannot stand to see or hear this little pusbag.

So 60 Minutes viewing is not on my schedule. Swine.

[Phred42]

9. Miserable Fascist Bastard!

[GodlessBiker]

11. Bingo!

[LSparkle]

10. Does he still go hunting with Cheney?

:evilgrin:

[closeupready]

12. He is so unprofessional.

I mean, "get over it"??????????? How Brooklyn of him.

[NikolaC]

59. Hey!

Please don't diss Brooklyn ;)!

What an evil, arrogant, P.O.S. he is.

[balantz]

13. F**king Fascist Pig.

We need to get over him.

[byronius]

14. Fucking Traitor.

I think this slime is in the Top Ten of Treasonous Americans Ever. He is the Antithesis of Law. He is a mockery of all things American. Evil. His name will ring forever in Darkness.

No, I'm not over it. Until Al Gore serves his term, I'll curse these criminals. To my grave. Fuckers.

[htuttle]

15. Augusto Pinochet on 1973 coup: "Get over it"

No surprises there...

[Phx_Dem]

17. Conservatives and the Seven Sins of Judicial Activism

Abstract:
This article evaluates the jurisprudence that the Court's conservative wing currently offers (both in majority and in dissent) against seven indices of judicial activism: countermajoritarian activism; nonoriginalist activism; precedential activism; jurisdictional activism; judicial creativity; remedial activism; and partisan activism. Part I addresses the first six indices. I discuss whether selected decisions are fairly susceptible to the activist label under each criterion and, if so, whether there are reasons that suggest that the cases are nevertheless defensible, even to those who generally oppose activist decisions. Part II presents an overall appraisal of whether the conservatives can be fairly labeled as activist and, if so, what that conclusion might say about the meaning of judicial activism and the enterprise of judicial decisionmaking generally. Additionally, because measuring a court's activism may require one to ask "activist compared to what?", I will evaluate the judicial activism that has achieved conservative results against the activism that has achieved liberal outcomes. Part III discusses the seventh sin-partisan activism. I separate this criterion from the others because it is potentially the most damning. While some level of activism may necessarily inhere in the process of constitutional interpretation, using judicial power to accomplish purely partisan ends does not. Finally, I conclude that the conservatives have indeed been activist with respect to five of the first six indices (remedial activism being the exception), but that in many instances, this activism is defensible, and that their overall record is neither unprecedented nor excessive in comparison to historical norms. Their fault, if any, is in their disingenuousness. They, or more often their defenders, claim that theirs is a jurisprudence more principled and more restrained than that of their liberal counterparts when in fact it is nothing more than a jurisprudence designed to effectuate particular results. I reach no conclusion, however, on the seventh sin. Partisan activism is a serious charge and the cases neither establish nor refute that the conservatives have engaged in it.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=330266#PaperDownload

[laylah]

18. Why does that prick

hate America so? And, he is absolutely full of it and most thinking Americans know it. Those that don't definitely aren't paying attention

[underpants]

19. 9/11 was only 10 months later-shoudl we get over that too?

Judge, Grover Norquist is on line 2 and Karl rove is on line 3

[NoGOPZone]

20. Always the master of the nuanced legal argument, huh Antonin?

When are you going to get over Lawrence v. Texas and your childish whine about the 'homosexual agenda'?

[MsLeopard]

21. FU Fat Tony

You lying sack of horse sh*t!!! Get over your own pathetic self, why don't you!?

[Birthmark]

22. Just to reiterate

Scalia is an idiot whose understanding of Constitutional philosophy is considerably less than his understanding of lunar topography.

Hey, Fat Tony, try reading the Ninth and Tenth Amendments and think really, really hard about what they mean. (Generally, not as applies to Bush v. Gore.)

[Uncle Joe]

24. If there was ever a conflict of interest, it was Scalia ruling in Bush vs Gore.

Tony, you will go to your grave a hundred years before anyone forgets the damage you and your cohorts did to our democratic republic, the trashing of our Constitution and the general dis empowerment of the American People's vote in determining their government of the people, for the people and by the people.

[RubyDuby in GA]

26. Rubyduby in GA to Scalia re: Bush v. Gore - BITE MY ASS!

Then please have a light snack of pretzels with Mr. GW Bush.

[MaineDem]

27. He's probably pissed at Boston Legal

They did a great job skewering the Supremes this week.

[Doctor_J]

30. I can't wait until Fat Tony is imprisoned after the revolution

The food at Gitmo will be good for him.

[burythehatchet]

31. When a country has been destroyed, I'm more inclined to favor the Ceaucesceau option.

[mitchum]

68. Yeah, but Good Ol' Clarence will always give him his dessert...

so Fat Tony will remain a fat fuck

[indepat]

33. Should any person ever get his just deserts piled on him daily, may it he Herr Scalia

:D

[dropkickpa]

35. To contact SCOTUS

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/publicinfo/comments.html

Substantive questions should be directed, in writing, to the Public Information Officer, Supreme Court of the United States, Washington, DC 20543

[UpInArms]

37. Impeach Scalia

I.Will.Never.Get.Over.Losing.My.Constitution.

[cascadiance]

39. Yep, he needs to know the proper times to recuse himself!

He has given evidence in the past he OBVIOUSLY doesn't know when those times were.

Hunting with Cheney? Should have added Bob Knight to that hunting party to "improve the odds"... :)

Having his relative work on Bush's campaign before the 2000 decision?

Scalia, YOU SUCK!

[unkachuck]

38. "Get over it.

....It’s so old by now."

....hey tony, the one time you really had a chance to get it right, you got it wrong....if in a hundred years anyone ever remembers the name scalia, it will be immediately followed by bush v. Gore....

....the Kennedy assassination removed our innocence, you removed our illusion of democracy....

[Journeyman]

40. He's unaware court cases are named for the Plaintiff? . . .

. . .and the Defendant takes second billing?

Bush v Gore.

How'd this asshat make it past the first year of lawschool? Forget that, first year of college. Anyone who's read a History 101 text would understand the naming of court cases.

[Q3JR4]

41. When the highest court in the land

overturns the will of voters in a state that's central to an election "justice" scalia, it's hard for (at this point nearly 40% of the population) to just "get over it."

You can't have a democratically elected president if s/he's been appointed by a court ruling and no amount of flippancy and disregard for history is going to change that.


Q3JR4.
One thing, however, is certain. Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law. I respectfully dissent." - Justice John Paul Stevens


As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. Justice William O. Douglas


The deterioration of every government begins with the decay of the principles on which it was founded. Charles-Louis De Secondat


America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

[Hugabear]

42. What is the procedure for impeaching a Supreme Court justice?

Has it ever been done before?

[Q3JR4]

43. I think it's the same procedure used

to impeach presidents. According to Wikipedia

"In the United States, impeachment can occur both at the federal and state level. The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may only be impeached and removed for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." Several commentators have suggested that Congress alone may decide for itself what constitutes an impeachable offense. In 1970, then-House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford defined the criteria as he saw it: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." Four years later, Ford would become president when President Richard Nixon resigned under the threat of impeachment

Article III of the Constitution states that judges remain in office "during good behaviour," implying that Congress may remove a judge for bad behavior via impeachment. The House has impeached 13 federal judges and the Senate has convicted six of them."

Then again this is a wikipedia quote so take it with a grain of salt.

Q3JR4.
Experience has already shown that the impeachment the Constitution has provided is not even a scarecrow." Thomas Jefferson

"All in all, the framers would probably agree that it's better to impeach too often than too seldom. If presidents can't be virtuous, they should at least be nervous." Joseph Sobran

[Thothmes]

61. Read the Constitution. The procedure is there

[sasquatch]

44. Justice Scalia defends Bush v. Gore ruling

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Justice Antonin Scalia, in an interview to be shown on Sunday, defended the U.S. Supreme Court ruling's that gave George W. Bush the presidency and said he was not trying to impose his personal views on abortion.
Scalia was interviewed for the CBS News show "60 Minutes," an appearance timed to coincide with the publication on Monday of the book he coauthored, "Making Your Case: The Art of Persuading Judges."

It marked the latest in a series of broadcast interviews this year by the conservative justice who once shunned the media.

<snip>
Scalia repeated his earlier statement that people should "get over" the court's ruling in 2000 that halted Florida's vote recount, giving the presidential election to Republican Bush over Democrat Al Gore.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080424/people_nm/usa_court_scalia_dc

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Fuck you fat Tony!

[Why Syzygy]

45. Kerry said the same thing. "Get over it".

I do not agree with either of them that it should be GOTTEN OVER.

[Norrin Radd]

46. Scalia is a traitor to democracy.

[loveable liberal]

47. Justice Scabies.

[shraby]

48. Shows how guilty he feels about screwing over

the country if he's still defending the stinking decision.

[bluesmail]

49. Ditto F*** Y**

[byronius]

50. He's a treasonous traitor.

Un-American and headed for the hot place.

[pscot]

51. I'll get over it

the day I piss on his grave.

[damntexdem]

52. Next let's hear from Chales Manson ...

defending ...

;-)

[bronxiteforever]

53. Bush v Gore was a coup d'court-Proves Supremes are just political hacks

The historians of the court know where to place the five fools in the majority.

[struggle4progress]

54. To persuade Scalia, one should belong to his party. Otherwise, he just makes obscene gestures.

[ChrisF66]

55. This individual is 25% of the reason.

we need 67 real Democratic senators.

Because this miserable excuse for a jurist needs to be impeached and removed from the Supreme Court, along with his scummy buddies Thomas, Alito (sic), and Roberts.

Even with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate (60), the SC can be relied on to rule against America whenever they can.

[cstanleytech]

56. Now, now everyone calm down.

The judge deserves our utmost respect as a true american, in fact I vote we all chip in and treat him to a nice fresh fish dinner say around Jan. 29th of next year?
Maybe some nice fresh mackerel or salmon....oh oh I know, how about some nice freshly prepared Fugu just for him.
:evilgrin:

[Orsino]

65. Justice Scalia would really appreciate your thinking about something else...

...and not about the Court's complicity in the biggest American political coup since the Civil War.

[badgervan]

73. Think About It....

... what does it say about our country that this fat fascist sits on the Supreme Court of the United States? Unbelievable.

[bluedeminredstate]

57. NEVER!!

I'll never forget that December day in 2000 when I lost all faith in my government.

My dad was a judge (and knew David Souter from DS's days on the bench in NH), and I was always of the belief that the Supreme Court was something that could not be fucked with. It was the sacred place in our government that couldn't and wouldn't be corrupted. That's what my dad always told me anyway...

Scalia and his cronies broke my heart and I. will. not. get. over. it.

:nuke:

[Deny and Shred]

58. What an ******!! The SC is Bush's ultimate FU

Get over it?!?!
Russians, get over Stalin - Jews, get over the Holocaust - Chileans, get over Allende - Liberals, get over JFK - Brooklyn, get over the LA Dodgers,

...now I am completely overstating it, but the point is just because it's in the past doesn't mean it isn't wrong, and he didn't sidestep his Constitutional duties. In the Bush v. Gore FLA 2000 case, it has actual impact on the future of our great democracy.
For a partisan windbag who should never have been nominated to actually tell us to ignore the fact that 156,000 voters went to the polls and had their votes obviated when Bush won by a scant 500+ is to commit a more horrible abrogation of Justice than Bush, Rove, Baker, Harris, Hughes, Jeb, etc. did in the first place. They can try to subvert justice, its his job to re-instill justice.
Pardonnez-moi while I go puke.

PS - Since when do Sumprem Ct justices do media tours for their book deals? WTF?!?!

[lovuian]

60. He couldn't justify it and what the Supreme court did to this

country is put a thief corrupt mafia in office that stole trillions and saw thousands of our children die and millions of Iraqi children

[fshrink]

62. Accountability. Some day. I hope.

[stlsaxman]

63. Here is a photo of the exact moment American Democracy was destroyed-

NEVER FORGET!

[santamargarita]

64. This was a planned Coup! Nothing else!

-

[nomorenomore08]

66. Hey Tony: VAFFANCULO! Times a thousand!

*makes obscene Sicilian gesture*

[Canuckistanian]

67. This is about the 6th or 7th time he's basically said, "get over it"

Um, NO, "Fat Tony", we WON'T.



Oh Yeah?, well fuck you, too, tony.

[ryanmuegge]

69. "nonsense! black people don't have the right to vote!" that's what he's really saying.

[Uncle Joe]

70. He's not saying that, he's just saying black people don't the right to have their vote counted.

That includes people most likely to vote for the Democratic Party regardless of race.

[ryanmuegge]

76. But black people are more often the target of disenfranchisement efforts due to their propensity

to vote Democratic.

[Uncle Joe]

83. I agree. n/t

[demwing]

71. "It’s so old by now" What The FVCK?

I've tried to pen a decent reponse to that statement, but am overcome by rage. I have to drop this thread before I write something that will get me in trouble.

[Stargleamer]

72. It wasn't just the Supreme Court vote that harmed our country. . .

it was Scalia's halting of the manual re-count ("to preserve Bush's reputation") and it was his failure to recuse himself, despite having a son working for the Bush-Cheney Team. (Thomas also should have recused himself--his wife was working for Bush-Cheney).

[classysassy]

74. Scalia and Hoover

J.Edgar are they twins?A friend of mine suggest that both qwere hatched from the same buzzard egg.

[Festivito]

75. I'll get over that decision when I get over democracy. /nt

[MilesColtrane]

77. Dear "Fat Tony" Scumbaglia,...

Suck It.

signed: The American People

[IndianaGreen]

78. Scalia belongs in an Italian fascist black uniform

In another life, he would have been shipping Italian Jews to Germany.

[Mind_your_head]

79. No wonder his daughter is an alcoholic.....

she drinks to escape from the cognative dissonance of wanting to love/respect her father, yet she KNOWS that he's not 'flying right (small 'r')....her dad is full of bs/owned and she's smart enough to KNOW that.

[guyanakoolaid]

80. "It was Al Gore who made it a judicial question…. We didn’t go looking for trouble."

BAM - right there I would have asked him: "If you didn't go looking for trouble, why did you hear a state case that you had no grounds to even hear?"

I look forward to the day his term of office expires.

[Shoelace]

84. that would be when he expires?

or all that karma comes back, hit's him in the face and he resigns. Either way, I hope we don't have to wait too long. That is of course if we don't get McSame as pres. If so we are screwed as a country for the duration.

[DiverDave]

81. Sickening, just...sickening

Irreparable Harm
In granting a stay to stop the counting of under-votes in Florida on Saturday December 9 five members of the court claimed that George W. Bush would suffer irreparable harm if the stay was not ordered. Since Florida had already certified Bush electors, the only possible harm he could suffer would be if the counting of the under-votes found that he had in fact received less votes than Albert Gore. Yet the stronger argument that Gore and the voters were much more likely to suffer irreparable harm if the count was stopped was ignored. Was this decision not based on partisan political advantage rather than objective justice and respect for democratic principles?

Ding,Ding,Ding...

http://san.beck.org/USCourtHypocrisy.html

[and-justice-for-all]

85. Gore won Bush lost...

That rethug bitch in FL handed shrub the WH even though he lost!!

Scalia is a bastard.

[Zorra]

86. I'll get over it when Scalia is doing life without parole for treason and

crimes against the People of the US.

Fuck you, Scalia, you fascist nazi piece of shit.

[sofa king]

87. Democracy killed, your futures ruined, and a century of war and misery to follow.

Get over it.