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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:58 PM
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Uribe government accused of plotting against Chávez (with Bush)
Source: El Universal

Caracas, Friday April 25 , 2008
Uribe government accused of plotting against Chávez

JUAN FRANCISCO ALONSO
EL UNIVERSAL

Promoting the independence of Zulia state, northwest Venezuela, is one of the purposes outlined in an alleged plan to oust Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez -a plot former Attorney General Isaías Rodríguez has reported repeatedly.

In a document entitled Shock and Awe (Provoking Shock to Get Respect) -which Rodríguez filed last week with the Attorney General Office-, it is stated that both the US and Colombian authorities, including Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, have held meetings to support Zulia state's secession from Venezuela.

Rodríguez filed the document in an attempt at showing that recent reports claiming that the investigation -conducted while he was the Attorney General- into the murder in 2004 of public prosecutor Danilo Anderson is plagued with defects are part of a plot.

In the file, which the former Attorney General attributed to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Zulia state governor Manuel Rosales is said to support the plan. Further, the document explains that even though the plan may fail the purpose is to deviate the Venezuelan government's attention from other subjects matters.



Read more: http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/04/25/en_pol_art_uribe-government-acc_25A1537671.shtml



You won't be getting the whole story from this news source, as it's virulently anti-Chavez, one of the papers which supported the coup, etc.

It's going to take some time before the full story will be known.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:00 PM
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1. K&R
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:34 PM
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2. ?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:45 PM
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3. looking for a new military base?
proclaim a new independent state

:sarcasm:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:08 PM
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4. Thanks, Judi Lynn.
I appreciate your effort to keep us updated.
My hope is that the Bolivarian reforms will spread to Colombia and the locals will be able to democratically oust the US Backed Right Wing Oligarchs in Colombia.

The recent victory in Paraguay was cause for celebration.

There is a bloodless Populist revolution happening across all of South/Central America, though it is not being televised in the US.
The two weapons are Organization and the Ballot Box.

VIVA Democracy!

K&R
:patriot:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:54 PM
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5. I would add a third: Think big!
Those are the three things I see in it--as lessons for us:

1. Transparent elections (!)
2. Grass roots organization.
3. Think big.

We've thought too small for too long. In little increments in the minimum wage, and getting all whiny and rebellious cuz they're threatening to privatize Social Security.

Time to stop reacting to these fascist outrages, and to think much, much bigger. Outrageous thoughts, like...

--cutting the military budget by 90%, down to a true defensive posture (no more wars of choice!)
--pulling the corporate charters of monstrous entities like Exxon Mobil, dismantling their corporations and seizing their assets for the common good
--doing the same to all the corporate news monopolies
--demanding six weeks of non-stop air time on our PUBLIC airwaves for PUBLIC debate prior to every general election--and not demanding it, TAKING IT
--packing the Supreme Court

Like that. Monstrous fascism requires BIG remedies. Once we have restored transparent vote counting--and rid ourselves of these Bushite electronic voting corps and their "trade secret" code--we can do anything we want. We are the sovereign people of this land. We say what what goes here. We license, charter and regulate businesses at our will, for the public good. If they fuck us over and start a war for oil, they're out. They get too big and haughty, they're out. Small business and REAL free trade (fair trade, no monopolies) is infinitely better anyway. Who needs these godzillas lording it over us?

Anyway, that's what they are doing in South America, with their votes. Thinking big--and actually doing what we can only dream of now.

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To get in the mood, I recommend "Tocar Y Luchar" ("To Play and to Fight"), DVD about the 300,000 Venezuelan street urchins who are now in classical music school, and who have created one of the greatest classical music orchestras in the world--and are playing to rave reviews all over Europe, the U.S. and South America--conducted and performed by the poorest children in Venezuela. Talk about thinking big!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:14 PM
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7. I like the cut of your jib.
We need a whole new paradigm for how people live together, and not just some new version of authoritarianism. There needs to be a new balance found between civil duty and individual autonomy.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:05 PM
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6. The Bushites create civil war wherever they go--Colombia, Iraq, Bolivia, and
now we find out, Venezuela. In Colombia, they have stoked a 40+ year civil war of the fascists against the small peasant farmers and workers, with $5.5 BILLION in military aid to the fascists. They have furthermore tried to use this client state of theirs, Colombia, to start a war with Ecuador and Venezuela (members of OPEC, lots and lots of oil). In Bolivia, they are encouraging--and I have no doubt, funding, arming and organizing--WHITE SEPARATISTS, who are trying to split off the gas/oil-rich provinces, from the central government of Evo Morales, to deny benefit of those resources to the poor majority. In Iraq, they have deliberately sown chaos, to grab the oil. They don't want to settle that civil war. They are into "divide and conquer." It's their M.O. And now we find out that they've been trying to split up Venezuela as well.

Funny how oil is the common theme.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:31 PM
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8. That entire family has always been a plague on civilization!
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:00 PM
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9. This Zulia movement has been in the works for several years.
Think Plan Colombia

Zulia is Maracaibo basin and richest oil patch in western hemisphere.

The Netherland Antilles and Maracaibo were critical in WWII.

The Natalee Holloway story is a psyop. lololol no sarcasm at all.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:11 AM
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10. Forced Displacement, Land Reclamation, and Corporate Power in Colombia
Forced Displacement, Land Reclamation, and Corporate Power in Colombia
April 26, 2008 By Eustaquio Polo

Eustaquio Polo Rivera is Vice President of the Major Leadership Council of the Curvaradó River Basin, Chocó, Colombia. He is an active leader in his community's struggle for justice and food security, as they fight to reclaim collectively-titled lands stolen and occupied by oil palm plantations since the 1997 displacement of the region's inhabitants at the hands of the US-funded Colombian military and affiliated paramilitary death squads. Colombia has the second-largest internally displaced population in the world; sixty percent of the roughly four million dispossessed Colombians have been driven from areas of "of mineral, agricultural or other economic importance," according to Amnesty International. For his advocacy and efforts to help his community reclaim what is rightfully theirs, Mr. Polo has received threats of assassination from paramilitaries reformed after the purported "demobilization" process.
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Thank you for letting me address you tonight. Please receive a warm welcome from the Chocó county of Colombia and from myself, Eustaquio Polo Rivera. I am Vice President of the Major Council of the basin of the Curvaradó River, and legal representative of a smaller council.

I come here with the grace of God and the support of the church of Justicia y Paz and also with help from Molly and Jake. I have been asked to tell you a little bit about the human rights abuses that the people of the Chocó territories are suffering.

These lands are the lands where most of the Africans brought to Colombia as slaves have lived for a long time. Three groups of people share culture here—people of African descent, people of mixed descent, and people of indigenous descent. There has been a shared culture there for many years now.

This is land that is recognized by Law 70 as collectively owned by the three groups of Afro-Colombians, mixed race people, and indigenous people. We used to have farms in this territory. The land supported our families, and we also sold bananas to the United States.

Then, in October of 1996, an operation called Operation Genesis came in, led by the General Commander Rito Alejo Del Rio.

This military operation was in conjunction with a paramilitary group called AUC.

This military group came in and asked the peasants to move out. They said, "Move out, or people will come after us to kill people, to take your heads."

In the same year, 1996, in a place called Brisas, they killed 6 people. They killed them and threw them into the river. That year half of the people who lived in the area left. The other half stayed, and we stayed resisting the displacement. But the incursions from the military and paramilitaries continued. They tied the peasants down. When the paramilitaries or military would get people, they would cut off their fingers, their ears, and their private parts. And they killed them with chainsaws. They would cut right through their chest cavity and take out their internal organs. In our river basin they killed 113 people just that way.

Then in 1997, the incursions from the military and paramilitaries increased. The military and paramilitary alliance came and said to us that we needed to leave, all of us. They threatened saying that if we didn't leave, they could not respond for their actions. They said that the reason we needed to leave is that they would be bombing that territory to take the guerrillas out. A lot of people left then. One part of the peasants left toward the hills, and other people fled to other places in Colombia.

In the year 2000, a group from the police collected signatures from members of paramilitaries and some peasants left in the area. They said they were collecting the signatures to get three military bases in the area, and they claimed that this was so peasants could return to their land. This was not the case. These signatures were used by businesses to take over the land and implement the planting of African palm plantations in the collectively-titled territory. They used them to prove that peasants were in agreement with the planting of the palm, but the peasants were actually outside the territory, fled to the hills.

More:
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/17339



A.U.C. leader "Macaco's" ( Carlos Mario Jiménez, recently sent to the U.S. on drug charges, while citizens protested that his stay in the U.S. will allow him to avoid charges for the massacres he committed in Colombia against villagers.) right-wing paramilitary death squad as it enters yet another village.



Carlos Mario Jiménez "Macaco"


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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:22 AM
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11. My litmus test on ALL Democrats is where they stand on Chavez.
If you (Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel supporter or candidate themselves) say that "Chavez is a dictator" and that "Venezuela is not a democracy" then you are a LIAR.

I have seen Venezuela with my own eyes. YOU are a LIAR.

You can see Venezuela's DEMOCRACY for yourself by watching "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" on Google Video. And your entire life will be turned upside-down, because you will see that you are being LIED TO.

Meanwhile, URIBE has DEATH SQUADS and MASS GRAVES in Colombia.

If Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel, Pelosi, Reid, RAHM EMANUEL, or any Democrat LIES about Chavez or Venezuela, I wish upon you and your family to ROAST IN HELL, crackling and sizzling on a rotisserie forever, you fuckers.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:07 AM
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12. I wouldn't wish them in Hell merely for an opinion, because even our well-intended leaders
have trouble penetrating the thick, putrid clouds of propaganda from the corporate news monopolies, and some live in fear of its toxicity, as well as fear of spying, blackmail, dirty tricks and worse by Bush-controlled agencies or private hit squads. The Bush Cartel is no different from the Uribe Cartel (former Medellin Cartel). The Bush Cartel are gangsters writ large, with all the powers of the U.S. government at their command, to punish and control potential opponents. The Uribe gang are a mini-version of the Bush Cartel, equally toxic and lethal within their sphere of crime and power.

I pity our leaders rather than hate them. We don't live with bull's eye targets on our backs, as they do. (At least most of us don't.) Some are very corrupt. Others compromise, to hang on to a bit of power, believing that they are doing some good. A few are honest and courageous. It's not easy to sort them out, and understand what is really going on. Pelosi is an interesting example. She may have traded no impeachment for no attack on Iran. I think this is a good possibility, and this would make her something of a hero, from an imperial point of view (given that our country is not really a democracy any more, but a fascist empire). That was a peculiar series of events--her being catapulted into the Speakership by the voters' revolt in '06, then announcing THE NEXT DAY that "impeachment is off the table," then Rumsfeld abruptly resigning, and her going to Syria in the midst of the Iran-British sailors crisis.

We are reduced to reading entrails, trying to figure out what's going on. That's wrong, and extremely undemocratic, but that's the way it is. We're looking at a list of high crimes and misdemeanors by the Bush Junta that is so long it could circle the earth. How could impeachment be "off the table"? (For one thing, it is unconstitutional to put it off the table--it must always be ON the table.) Well, it can be "off the table" if a deal was made with people who have the power to shoot you and yours, and get away with it. It doesn't take much thinking to realize that the Bush Junta has that power. So, anyway, it's possible that Pelosi got the best deal she could--with vicious powermongers who cold squish her like a bug. She promised them they would not be seriously investigated and would not be driven from office, if they refrained from nuking Iran--and she may have had this bargaining power because the military was loathe to do it. We open government loving democrats with a small d may despise such machinations, and deals with the devil, but we shouldn't live in a dream world.

We live, not in democracy, but in an empire that has suffered a fascist coup. So our powers--the powers of "we the people"--are very limited. We are not the rulers here. We are ruled. And those who rule us feel no obligation to obtain our consent. We should be glad that they still feel an obligation to propagandize us. They at least have that much fear of what the people might do. My guess about Pelosi may be wrong, and she's in on the coup. Her silence about the rigged voting machines--and the almost universal silence of the Democratic Party leadership on this vital matter--is evidence that every goddamned one of them are traitors. But we really can't know for sure. One of the main e-voting corporations, ES&S, has close ties to far, far rightwing causes--really nutso 'christian' extremists who probably have their own death squads. Its brethren corp, Diebold, was headed by a Bush-Cheney campaign chair. These are not nice business people. They now control the results of our elections with "trade secret" programming code. And there is a lot of evidence that they have the power to ruin the careers of election officials who oppose them. (It happened to a former CA Sec of State, who sued Diebold six months before the 2004 election--he was driven from office on entirely bogus corruption charges). Are our Democratic leaders scared or collusive? It's very hard to know, and to sort them out. (All of the Democratic Senators in the Anthrax Congress voted FOR "trade secret" voting counting by rightwing Bushite corporations, with two exceptions--Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer--and the Bushites did not pressure New York to go electronic, though they pressured every other state in the union. Figure that one out! I'm still cogitating on it. Theory: They wanted to avoid alarming New York voters, who might have pressured the New York news media to report of the subject, thus alerting the rest of us poor suckers, in the hinterlands, that our right to vote was being taken away? I dunno. It's an interesting theory.)

Now turn to the Colombian "trade deal." There is a contingent of pro-labor Democrats in Congress who have blockaded this deal, because of the short life spans of union leaders in Colombia. It's just about the only thing on which the Democrats in Congress have shown any spine. Pelosi has postponed the deal--possibly in a cagey move, in her dance with devil Bush, to kill this dreadful trade deal, possibly in a collusive move to get it approved later, with some kind of lame labor protections in it--i.e., Colombia promises to be good from now on, and not to chainsaw union leaders any more and throw their body parts into mass graves. The deal is VERY important to corporations like Monsanto (corporate biofuel production), to Drummmond Coal and Chiquita (both of whom have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to death squads to take care of their "labor problem"), to various oil giants (both re Colombia's oil, and also Venezuela's and Ecuador's), to U.S. ag interests and others who want to dump U.S. goods on Colombian markets, to "war on drugs" military profiteers, and to major cocaine and weapons traffickers (possibly Bush Cartel, but certainly Uribe Cartel). BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars are at issue. Just for starters: $5.5 BILLION in military aid to Colombia (our tax dollars) through Bushite fingers. That money is intended to buy something--a U.S. corporate wedge into South America, which has otherwise been swept by an awesome, peaceful, democratic, leftist revolution, the goals of which are social justice and SELF-DETERMINATION (freedom from U.S./corporate domination).

Is Pelosi really willing and able to buck this kind of global corporate predator interest, or is she just buying them time, to weather the bad publicity coming out of Colombia? It's very hard to tell. We know where the Bushites stand. They adore death squads. They probably get their rocks off on the torture and death of union leaders. But I don't believe that of Pelosi. The Democrats are more complicated people, sometimes with blinders on, sometimes with their conscience emerging, sometimes gripped with fear (and maybe loathing?), some of them hopelessly corrupt, others not so much. But the fact is that they stopped this deal--just about their only accomplishment as a supposed Democratic Congress. (They have an approval rating lower than Bush's!) And this means that they feel somewhat more obliged to listen to the people than Bushites do (none!). When Pelosi turns around and calls Chavez a "dictator," she may be just covering her back, as to the corporate news monopoly career ruination machine, or she may be disinformed, or she may mean it. I really can't tell. I want to yell at her, too--and consign her to the fires of hell. It's so unjust. It's such a lie. And we know that the Bushites have tried to assassinate him, and want to chainsaw his supporters--the people of Venezuela. How can she contribute to their vile schemes, even for cover?

All I'm saying is that she lives in a different world than we do. The realm of BAD power. And she and everyone else that operates in that realm--Bushites aside--are not necessarily entirely evil themselves. They are mixed bags. We, the people, have almost no access to that realm. We can't know what is going on. We can only guess. This is a very bad situation, but it is the reality. Thus, we cannot make easy judgments--as we should be able to, in a democracy--about the characters and motives of the people who supposedly represent us. Pelosi may have prevented the quick death of planet earth, by trading no impeachment for no nuking of Iran. We can't know for sure. And if she did, then the issue of impeachment takes a back seat. It's not right, from the point of view of democracy, but we are not a democracy--we are an extremely dangerous, nuclear-armed rogue state!

And there is evidence now, by the way, that Obama has made a peace overture to Chavez--by sending Bill Richardson to meet with him. That is interesting. That may mean a tectonic shift in U.S. policy in regard to South America. Richardson first visited Uribe, apparently got nowhere as to his ostensible mission (getting Uribe to negotiate with the FARC for the release of U.S. military contractor hostages), and so he's turning to Chavez (who has recently succeeded in getting other hostages released, despite Bushite efforts to sabotage it). That's as far as the news reports go. But what is his real mission? Richardson also operates in the realm of BAD power. But even if his motive (and Obama's) is to clear the way for more corporate profiteering in South America, but with a better attitude toward the sovereignty and rights of the people of South America, that's far better than assassination, destabilization, toppling of democracies and war--a war that the Bushites can't win, and that will result in the complete alienation between our two continents. What we should be doing is forming a Common Market with them on terms of equality and fairness, and mutual respect. But at the very least we need to cease the hostilities--items like the Bushites trying to start a war between Colombia and Ecuador/Venezuela. God that was foul! And the South Americans know it. In any case, we hear the Democrats calling Chavez a "dictator" one day, and the next they're asking for Chavez's help on something (and probably a whole range of things--possibly including what to do about Uribe and the Colombian civil war).

Just "reading the entrails" here...and seeing some signs and omens of hope.

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