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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:32 PM
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Medical marijuana patients face transplant hurdles
Source: AP NEWS

SEATTLE (AP) - Timothy Garon's face and arms are hauntingly skeletal, but the fluid building up in his abdomen makes the 56-year-old musician look eight months pregnant.

His liver, ravaged by hepatitis C, is failing. Without a new one, his doctors tell him, he will be dead in days.

But Garon's been refused a spot on the transplant list, largely because he has used marijuana, even though it was legally approved for medical reasons.

"I'm not angry, I'm not mad, I'm just confused," said Garon, lying in his hospital bed a few minutes after a doctor told him the hospital transplant committee's decision Thursday.

Read more: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080426/D909OQR82.html
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:37 PM
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1. That's heartbreaking. And really, for a liver transplant, who gives a shit about marijuana use?
I understand that they don't want to give a liver to someone who's just going to blow it out again, but marijuana? It seems to me that alcohol is the only thing you're seriously concerned about with hep C (besides narcotics, of course).

Hopefully they'll be able to buy him some time with a tap and rethink this decision.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:56 PM
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4. often smoking is a no no
I guess the theory being, why waste significant time/money if you're just gonna get lung cancer in the next few years but there are other ways to ingest cannabis that have no carcinogenic risks.

Can't see any reason why non smoked cannabis would be any more problematic than cough medicine or aspirin?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:59 PM
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5. Except that lung cancer usually takes decades to develop...
I'm sure being on immunosupressants might increase the risk, but still...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:11 PM
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7. Of course, not only do medical studies show mj does NOT cause cancer...
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 11:11 PM by Zhade
...it's found it shrinks tumors.

Pot doesn't cause lung cancer. Period, full stop. No evidence it does. None.

(I take this seriously, being a patient for my - improving! - eyes.)

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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:12 AM
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15. who's arguing with you
I said SMOKING is used as a reason to deny treatment because of the risks (way over stated these days) of cancer.

I've smoked a rather large amount of pot daily for over 15 years, you're not telling me anything
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:21 AM
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18. Sorry, I get really defensive about this subject.
I apologize.

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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:26 AM
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12. On the other hand
Since no one's ever died from smoking marijuana, any argument about lung cancer really is baseless.

Unfortunately this is just another example of prejudice and dogma - (not from you Djinn).


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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:18 AM
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16. how on earth could it be isolated though
The vast majority of pot smokers also smoke tobacco, isolating a the cause to one or the other is impossible. It is also impossible of course to say a smokers habit caused his lung cancer and not the stew of carcinogens in the air he breathes every day, doesn't seem to stop self righteous anti-smoking gurus.

As a long term tobacco and marijuana smoker, I think the anti-tobacco lobby is entirely hysterical (doubling my chance of cancer sounds scary - however when phrased as going from a one in 5 million chance to a one in 2.5 million it doesn't terrify me all that much).

The pro-marijuana lobby isn't much better though, they act like it's a miracle compound with no negative side effects - ludicrous to anyone with any understanding of pharmacology or even basic chemistry.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:25 AM
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20. Okay, we're both long-term users: what negative side effects?
And can you specify which effects for which variant (sativa versus indica)?

As to research, it would be nice to do some here. Stupid laws make that impossible, damn them.

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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:56 AM
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22. after smoking the amount I do for 15 years
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 02:09 AM by Djinn
try stopping, then tell me there are no side effects.

In small/infrequent doses (much like ALL drugs) the side effects of marijuana are temporary and mild - being a tad slack and eating an entire family sized pizza mainly.

However, like all drugs, habitual/heavy use (like mine, I have no qualms calling myself a drug addict in relation to marijuana) can result in more severe and more long lasting effects. Lack of motivation, short term memory loss & paranoia are obvious ones. There is also a proven link between use and schizophrenia, DON'T GET HYSTERICAL HERE the jury is still out as to whether it's causative or not (I think possibly a case of self medication by those with early undiagnosed schizophrenia - calming down ones thought processes is a desirable thing for someone suffering early onset) but it's there.

It may be a coincidental or non causative link, it may not be.

The basic chemical fact is, that THC is a psycho-active substance. It has an effect on the way the brain works, I think ignoring that is naive and doesn't help in the effort to bring reality into the discussion of drug use and legality.

I'm cognizant of the fact that coffee and alcohol have detrimental short and long term side effects at my levels of usage but I have zero intention of altering my consumption of either and I believe both should be perfectly legal substances for an adult to buy.

I see marijuana, cocaine, heroin and all other psycho-active substances in the same way.

On Edit - the differences between sativa and indica on psychology isn't something I have any information on. Nor is is something that would hold much weight, unless (maybe) it was a Netherlands based study. The illegality of cannabis where I live (and the US) means that having access to "pure" strains over one's lifetime of usage is highly unlikely. Not to mention there is no agreement on whether they are even different species.

Either way both are psycho-active so I can't see any reason for a significant difference where it possible to study.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:04 PM
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30. Right. I think I'll take the medical knowledge of my doctors (plural) over your anecdotal "evidence"
1. Show me the "proven" link between it and schizophrenia.

2. Demonstrate that you know what I mean when I ask about the two variants. Which is the body? Which is the mind?

3. Prove that daily use causes the negative results you alleged (As a guy who holds down a good full-time job in satellite broadcasting, writes two hours daily and pays my child support regularly despite the lack of a court order, I'm (admittedly anecdotal) proof that the statement is incorrect).

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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:56 PM
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36. That is medical knowledge
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 11:15 PM by Djinn
The link has been studied NUMEROUS times, I didn't link any studies but given your utter misunderstanding as to the "differences" between indica and sativa I doubt very much you'd understand them.

Please point out where I said a causative link was PROVEN. I simply said A link had been demonstrated. If you can find someone to help you with the concepts which you are clearly ill equipped to grasp, you might like to read:

* Cannabis and mental health’, J. Rey and C. Tennant. British Medical Journal, 325, November 2002

* Mental health of teenagers who use cannabis: Results of an Australian survey’, British Journal of Psychiatry, 180, 2002

* ‘Cannabis Use and Psychosis: A Review of Clinical and Epidemiological Evidence’,W. Hall and L. Degenhardt, Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, 43, 2000

* The Adverse Effects of Cannabis’, W. Hall and N. Solowij. Lancet, 352, 1998

* Prospective cohort study of cannabis use, predisposition for psychosis, and psychotic symptoms in young people’, C. Henquet, L. Krabbendam, J. Spauwen, C. Kaplan, R. Lieb, H. Wittchen and J. van Os. British Medical Journal, 330, January 2005

I will presume you are not a sub holder for BMJ or the Lancet or indeed any scientific or medical journal so wont bother linking to pages you wont be able to read. However any decent university library will be able to provide these.

One of the earliest of the studies was written by a close friend - a world renown pharmo - pretty sure he's WAY more qualified than any of your doctors who are no doubt GP's who merely read the very same abstracts anyone with a passing interest in this subject has read.

I hold down a good full time job too (think you're special or aomething?)- I never once said that the negative side effects of marijuana effect EVERYONE

Guess what - I know people who've held down good jobs despite a 20 year HEROIN habit - are you gonna try and claim that "proves" heroin has no side effects?

Not every alcoholic develops cirrhosis either :eyes:

It is BOTH the Helen Lovejoy hysterics AND the "marijuana is harmless" idiots who fuck up real debate on drug policy. Perhaps you could scale back the hysteria and see that I'm not your enemy. I think ALL drugs should be legal, however because I also have an IQ higher than room temp I know that making something legal does NOT alter it's chemical structure.

Please explain how a marijuana defies chemical reality :eyes:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:05 AM
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38. I stopped reading at "utter misunderstanding as to the "differences" between indica and sativa"...
...because you're wrong. You can't even NAME the difference.

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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:48 AM
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25. Much depends on the patient,
but generally, indica is more of a depressant, and sativa is more "uppity".

My grower sends me a nice package of Afghani Kush every month - I wish I could have a sativa strain, but they are harder to grow indoors.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:07 PM
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31. Thank you. That's the start of the answer I was expecting.
People can't talk as if all who use are "lazy" or "unmotivated" when they're ignorant of the different results the two (pure) versions produce - which doesn't even account for the crossbred strains.

The ease and speed with which indy grows is directly responsible for the lie that all who smoke are slow/lazy/dumb, due to its greater availability overall.

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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:00 PM
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37. do you have ANY knowledge of plant biology at all
There isn't agreement that 2 species even exist.

I am not ignorant as to the SUPPOSED differences between indica and sativa (btw I've been growing my own for over a decade) I just know it's unproven, anecdotal evidence based on spurious data (the whole no pure strain issue) propagated by users and not biologists.

There is ZERO evidence of any difference between the inebriate effects of the two which considering their chemical make-up is unsurprising...for those who have a clue as to what they're talking about that is
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:12 AM
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39. More likely because practically everything these days is a mix of the two.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:19 AM
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42. True that -
Almost everything here is either "Sativa-dominant" or "indica-dominant" - usually not 100% either way.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:18 AM
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41. Errr....
I take it you don't live in Oregon? I don't need a study to know the difference. I have experienced it many, many times. Although as I said, not as many times as I would like, because it is a much taller plant than an indica and hard to grow indoors, which is where much of the medical marijuana here is grown.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:23 AM
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44. Also, you asked about negative side effects.
Obviously, one side effect is that you get stoned. Whether or not that's negative is up to the individual. I think it's positive, but I prefer a buzz to spending the day puking! I don't work in an office, so it's not an issue.

Other than that, I don't think there are any negative side effects. Some people get paranoid, but usually that's because the bud they're smoking was cut too early.
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:54 PM
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29. Statistics
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 04:12 PM by Popol Vuh
Whereas statistics show us the rate of cancer and mortality increases with tobacco smokers, it also shows us throughout history that smoking marijuana hasn't shown to cause any increase in cancer and mortality with its users.

Also, there have been many honest studies done which are not reported because they're not consistent with the political agenda to ostracize marijuana.

Of course the best (in my opinion) of these studies is The National Commission on Marijuana or also known as The Schaffer Commission - I provided a link below where the whole report can be read. The reason why I feel this is the best study ever conducted is because it was actually commissioned by President Nixon in an attempt to show scientifically why marijuana should remain on the banned list. He of course chose an anti-pot panel to conduct this study and it has been to date the most thorough and comprehensive study done on this subject. However, as a result of this multi-million dollar study, the anti-pot folks conducting it concluded how harmless marijuana was and instead of recommending it remain illegal, they ended up recommending it not be illegal on the bases of how none toxic and harmless it is. Needless to say, Nixon wasn't pleased with the outcome and basically threw it in the garbage and did what he wanted to do anyway.

With respect to marijuana's cancer and lung effects I'll also post this short document as an example of the many other honest studies done on this subject.

Link: Marijuana Cancer Review. << Page 5 of 11 in this report mentions lung cancer.



And here's The Schaffer Commission: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm




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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:11 PM
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32. Thank you very much for sharing these facts.
It does not help patients like me when even good-hearted fellow users repeat the erroneous and often contradictory untruths about this beneficial herb.

It's literally making my eyes better, according to my doctors. Had I not started using it, and continued virtually daily over the last decade, I would currently have glaucoma and continue to feel the pain that comes with my high eye pressure.

This subject is extremely important to me, and I welcome your contribution to the discussion!

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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:31 PM
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34. You're very welcome Zhade
In addition to individual rights, medically this subject is very important to me as well. For several years I suffered from chronic insomnia due to the chronic back pain I suffer from the many years of racing motorcycles when I was younger. Due to the lack of sleep I was getting I was starting to feel and look sickly. Now I am pretty much back to normal.

My best wishes for your health Zhade and I am very glad you're aware of the medical benefit of marijuana.

With respect to lung cancer and long term effects. In the Schaffer report link, scroll down and click the "Long Term Effects" link in the second chapter and read paragraph two. This is really for Djinn to read, but I thought you might appreciate the reference.


Take care
Popol Vuh
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:37 PM
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35. Thanks again, and be well!
: )

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:16 AM
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40. i smoke a little over an ounce of pot per week, but i have never used tobacco in any form
i've been toking like that for 30 years. my chest x-ray last year showed that my lungs are, according to my doctor: "clean as a whistle".
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:26 PM
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2. This is disgusting, we should call the hospital and protest
this is unethical
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:38 PM
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3. Upside-down world.
He was using cannabis to relieve pain.
It is a drug. There are many drugs.
All of them are used to reduce pain and suffering of some kind.

What a horrible culture we live in, when young men and women are encouraged to join the armed forces to kill people.
If those same people returned to America and, injured, used cannabis to reduce their pain, their liberty would be stolen from them.

Words fail.

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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:01 PM
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6. I hate suing doctors, but this hospital and transplant board need to be bankrupted.
"First, do no harm." That is THE central dogma of medicine. There are absolutely NO ties to marijuana with any long term problems or difficulties. In fact, marijuana is probably one of the safest drugs ANY person can ever take-- the ingestion (be it oral, or inhaled) amount of marijuana required to kill you is so great, you'd have to smoke a bowl every half second for 10 hours straight. Marijuana has not been linked to emphyzema(sp?) , diabetes, hard trouble, or cognitive damage. Marijuana truly is as close as we have to a miracle drug-- I've heard from a couple doctor friends about some studies still in progess that suggest marijuana can reverse, or atleast impede the onset of Alzheimer's. I hope these doctors are haunted EVERY night by this man's death. It is complete bullshit that these doctors are willingly killing this man because they are afraid he might toke up again... sorry to tell you doc, but a person's future cannot be determined and you have NO right to deny him that future. Rot in hell.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:12 PM
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8. Thank you for your compassion! It means a lot. : )
NT!

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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:17 PM
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9. Did you catch the right winger in the article?
Dr.Robert Sade,who believes that patients prescribed medical marijuana by physicians might have "addictive personalities", so therefore they should be refused transplants! I mean, what an asshole! Did a little digging, and it looks like this creep works for the National Center for Policy Analysis, you know, the same guys who don't believe in global warming. No surprises here.
http://cdhc.ncpa.org/about/robert-m-sade
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:57 PM
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10. "drug abusers" are generally denied liver transplants....
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 11:58 PM by mike_c
The issue here isn't cancer, smoking, etc as some have speculated up thread. It is a conscientious policy to withhold liver transplants from folks that have 1) messed up their own livers by substance abuse, and 2) have a propensity to waste a valuable transplant liver by doing it again.

Note that I don't agree with this policy, nor even the underlying rationale. I think it's especially unfounded in marijuana cases, for which there is no evidence of liver damage. Just conveying the information.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:19 AM
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17. I understand. This is clearly not drug abuse, though (I'm sure you agree).
This man will be another innocent casualty in the murderous War on (some) Drugs.

As a patient who knows the DEA would rather my eyes were DOA than admit that smoking cannabis is not dangerous, this concerns me greatly. As another poster said, I hope I never need a transplant.

This madness must end. Too many are suffering because of lies about the beneficial herb!

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:31 AM
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21. exactly....
This is utterly insane.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:23 AM
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19. agree
it'd be much the same for any illicit drug user. Whether it'd be the same for an abuser of prescription meds is an interesting question though as that is what the marijuana was.

Nanny state crap - rather than deal with the pollution you have no choice but to breathe every day beause that would mean inconveniencing the people who pay them, politicians spend inordinate amounts of time attempting to stop you doing things of your own volition that are no harm to anyone else. Pot dealers don't contribute to fundraisers.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:04 AM
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24. But illegal aliens get a free pass
Just read a story the other day about an illegal alien who hopped the border for a liver transplant plus all the medical costs, to be paid for by you and me.

Dunno about you, but between pot-smoking Americans and illegal aliens of any sort, there's no doubt in my mind who deserves to be given priority. There's no medical reason to deny a transplant to a pot smoker, it is a pure application of the coercive force of an oppressive police state that motivates that decision.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:20 AM
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26. Unless you're Mickey Mantle. nt
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:00 AM
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11. Hope I don't end up needing a transplant. n/t
:smoke:

If they would make effective pain medications that weren't life threatening, and nausea medications that didn't cause long term damage - there wouldn't be a problem.

Idiots!!
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NoGodsNoMasters Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:32 AM
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13. This is totally asinine...
First of all, his cannabis use was sanctioned as a treatment for the pain of his condition, now this man is to be denied a transplant that his life depends on?! Only in America...
The worst part is this is being carried out by the medical establishment who ought to know better. Just recently, in 2006, at a conference, the American Thoracic Society aired the results of a study of OVER 2,000!!! subjects that found, quote: "NO DEFINITIVE LINK between marijuana use, frequency of marijuana use, and head, neck, lung and throat cancers." This isn't even new data, look back at the Nixon commission, in 1972, commissioned by the government, to prove that cannabis is the primal source of all evil, what were they're findings? Theres' no legitimate reason for prohibition of Marijuana. Or the 1968 study commissioned by British Parliament which found moderate cannabis use has "no harmful effects." This is ridiculous. Even right wing nut William F. Buckley said "Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could." People arrested for sale or possession can serve more time than murderers, or sex offenders. (Avg. time for a convicted killer is 8-11 years/!) They can lose they're right to vote. They can have they're property taken away by the government. You can even lose you're license,....even if you weren't in a motor vehicle during, before, or after the offense. The federal laws regarding Cannabis are unethical, illogical, and immoral. I'll also add that industrial hemp, which would require legalization, would be great for the environment and help protect old growth forests.
This May 3rd, there is an INTERNATIONAL CAMPAIGN to repeal these ridiculous laws. It's happening in almost every country, and every major city in the US. http://globalmarijuanamarch.org/
Go here to find the event near you, and tell the government it's time for a sane Marijuana policy.
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:02 AM
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45. Thanks for the heads up on the march.
I about shit when I saw that there is one going on in my little spit across town.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:59 AM
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14. I'm sure that Rush Limbaugh approves that decision a 100%.
And that Oxymoron could have liver transplant every Christmas if he wanted to.Disgusting.
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tea and oranges Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:17 AM
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23. It Sounds Draconian
but the way it was explained to me is that after a liver transplant, the patient is extremely immuno-suppressed. It's not so much the marijuana, but the aspergillosis concentrated on it that effects the liver.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:03 AM
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27. is this a great country or what?
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:07 PM
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28. I wrote the following article about this five years ago:
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/299/notransplant.shtml

Marinol Death Sentence: Oregon Man Denied Liver Transplant Because of Prescription -- He's Not the Only One 8/8/03


Oregon resident Dave Myers brought a lot back from his stint in service in Vietnam. Myers served in the US Navy inspecting boat traffic off the Vietnamese coast and he brought back memories, good and bad, of course, and some lasting friendships, but also Hepatitis C, probably caught inspecting some dark and waterlogged junk in the South China Sea.

Now suffering from terminal liver failure due to the disease, Myers sought a transplant from Oregon Health Services University (OHSU) in Portland, one of 16 major liver transplant centers in the country. But he was rejected by program head Dr. John Ham (http://www.ohsu.edu/transplant/bios/ham.html) because he is taking Marinol, a synthetic cannabis compound and legal prescription medicine. Worse for Myers, Ham accused Myers of being a marijuana smoker, something Myers vehemently denies having done for at least 15 years, when he was first diagnosed.

The removal of Myers from the list of those awaiting liver transplants is a virtual death sentence. "With liver failure, you die -- it's as simple as that," said Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, head of the American Alliance for Medical Cannabis (http://www.letfreedomgrow.com) and himself a Hepatitis C sufferer. "And a good number die while they're waiting for the transplant," he told DRCNet.

Myers is one of about 18,000 people waiting for livers, most of them Hep C sufferers, according to the Scientific Registry of Transplant Recipients (http://www.ustransplant.org), which tracks all organ transplants in the US. According to the registry, some 5,000 liver transplants are done each year, but some 2,000 patients die while on the waiting list.

Because a large proportion of Hep C patients got the disease through intravenous drug use and because significant numbers of other liver transplant candidates developed problems due to alcohol abuse, transplant centers have developed strict protocols barring transplant eligibility for those people who continue to abuse drugs. While protocols vary from center to center, the OHSU protocol specifies "no smoking, no drinking, no illicit drugs."

Marinol, a synthetic cannabinoid, is not an illicit drug. It is a Schedule II drug available for prescription in the United States. It is commonly used to increase appetite and as an analgesic, the use for which it was prescribed to Myers by his attending physician.

OHSU deflected numerous DRCNet attempts to interview Dr. Ham or get anyone to talk about the Myers case or OHSU's liver transplant protocols, but Myers told DRCNet -- and he has the tape recording to back it up -- that Ham told him that Marinol would suppress the immune system, thus making post-transplant infections more likely.

"This has me pulling my hair out," said Cavanaugh, himself a Hepatitis C sufferer. "One thing transplant people worry about is infection," he explained. "That was the rationale used to deny Myers, that the use of cannabis would suppress the immune system and make him prone to infection, but there is no validity to that whatsoever. Cannabis is not a general immunosuppressant and those doctors must know that. And it's ludicrous anyway because once you get a transplant you get whacked with the heaviest anti-rejection drugs around, and what do they do? They suppress the immune system."

But according to Myers and the recording of his meeting with Dr. Ham, the Marinol issue was most likely a smokescreen for Dr. Ham's real concern: that Myers was smoking marijuana. "I haven't smoked marijuana for 15 years or so, and I told Dr. Ham that I would willingly submit to a polygraph and/or a lung biopsy to prove that I am not smoking marijuana," Myers told DRCNet. "He said that was unnecessary because he knew I was smoking marijuana. So now I have a doctor who is also a psychic, I guess."

If Dr. Ham's extrasensory abilities leave room for doubt, so does OHSU's position on marijuana use as a reason to keep people off the transplant waiting list. According to Transweb (http://www.transweb.org), an online resource center for transplant patients, occasional marijuana use does not automatically preclude people from obtaining liver transplants. "It depends," wrote Dr. Jeff Punch, a University of Michigan transplant surgeon in response to a query. "First it depends on the policy of the individual transplant center. Second it depends on the individual patient: what organ they need, why they need it, and other factors. For example: Most lung transplant centers will not transplant patients that smoke anything, even occasionally. Another example is patients who need a liver transplant because of alcohol abuse. In patients with a history of alcoholism, studies have shown that one marker that indicates a particular patient is more likely to return to alcoholism is continued use of any psychoactive drugs. Most transplant centers will not transplant patients with active substance abuse of any kind if the reason for the transplant relates to substance abuse."

"There is no evidence that marijuana has any negative effect on the liver," Dr. Cavanaugh said. "A 1970 study found that if you inject a mouse with a massive dose of THC, there is some liver involvement, but the human equivalent would be mainlining an ounce of cannabis. More recent studies have found that cannabinoids and other compounds in marijuana are actually hepato-protective. They reduce inflammation in the liver associated with cirrhosis. Hell, cannabis benefits the liver!" Dr. Cavanaugh said.

In Oregon, a state with an active medical marijuana program, OHSU protocols against illicit drugs don't appear to have kept up with state law. The result is that Dave Myers is not alone in being rejected. "I am aware of about a dozen other people removed from the liver transplant list at OHSU because of medical marijuana use," said D. Paul Stanford, director of the Cannabis Hemp Foundation (http://www.thc-foundation.org). "We run a medical marijuana clinic here in Oregon, and we've got some 200 patients who have Hep C," he told DRCNet. "Medical marijuana helps those patients by stimulating their appetites, and it has some antibacterial properties," he said. "Denying these people transplants because they use medicinal marijuana is a death sentence. The Hemp Cannabis Foundation is preparing a lawsuit against OHSU, including Dave Myers because the facts of his case are the strongest, but also including registered Oregon medical marijuana patients who have been bumped."

"Does the transplant team really believe I'm a non-deserving drug addict for using medical cannabis?" asked Dr. Cavanaugh. "Isn't it ironic that my Hep C doctors had no problem considering me when I was being prescribed methadone, Clonopin, Ambien, Flexaril, Neurontin, and more? Does anyone really believe I was better off and a better transplant candidate when I was whacked on all those drugs?" he asked.

"To say that someone who uses physician approved cannabis is at risk of substance abuse is just ridiculous," Cavanaugh continued. "The vast majority of patients seeking liver transplants are Hep C patients, and the majority -- but not all -- are former intravenous drug users. There is some sense to the notion that if you are continuing a self-destructive pattern of behavior, such as shooting speed or smoking crack or drinking booze, you are not a worthy candidate because you'll just ruin the new liver, but in the case of Dave Myers, he is conforming to the center's desire that he not be using drugs that could damage his liver and he is still being discriminated against because of doctors' prejudice against medical marijuana, and in this case, Marinol, a federally-approved Schedule II drug."

As for Myers, he alternates between depression and anger, he told DRCNet. "I'd like to punch Jack Ham right in the face," said Myers. "He sat right across from me, my wife, and our daughter, smirking at us. I told him I wasn't his enemy, that I was willing to work with him, but it didn't matter. My daughter was crying, and he just kept going on about no THC," Myers said.

Without a liver transplant, he will be dead within two years, he said.

"Hep C is seen as the junkies' disease," said Myers. "It has the same sort of stigma that AIDS had, but it doesn't have those celebrity spokespeople to raise awareness." Myers should know. He operates a web site for veterans with Hep C (http://www.hepvets.org) and writes on the issue for publications covering the disease. "There is a prejudice like there was in the 1960s. Then, if you had long hair and a beard you must be a pothead. Now, if you have Hep C, you must be a junkie. I've been clean and sober for 15 years," said Myers, who recently completed a stint with Promisekeepers, the conservative Christian men's fellowship.

Myers must find another transplant center that will take him, if he is to survive, he said. OHSU is the only one in the state.

Dr. Cavanaugh viewed the whole episode as outrageous. "That medical professionals would inject prejudice into a life and death decision is more than unethical. It's cruel, ignorant, and arrogant."

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