Polygamous sect's kids in hospital, moms want answers

[High Plains]

Source: Salt Lake Tribune

At least nine children taken from a polygamous sect's ranch are or have been in the hospital and attorneys for most of the mothers say they have received little or no information about their conditions.

Attorneys for Texas Rio-Grande Legal Aid (TRLA) are working to identify the children and the hospitals, and to arrange for the mothers to visit the children. "We can't seem to get anyone on the phone with authority to make that happen and the mothers don't even know the seriousness of the situation," said Amanda Chisholm, a TRLA attorney. The legal aid society, which represents 48 mothers, said one 2-year-old child lost a severe amount of weight while staying at the San Angelo Coliseum.

TRLA said the organization was told two days ago that the child was in shock and lethargic, but has received no new information since then about where the child is or regarding her current health situation. The mother is not being allowed to be with this child or her other nursing children, Chisholm said. "We don't seem to be able to get in touch with anyone who can tell us," she said. Depending on the assigned caseworker, some FLDS mothers are being allowed to see their children and some are not, Chisholm said.

Texas Child Protective Services said Friday that one child had been hospitalized because of dehydration. A CPS spokesman Sunday said he had no information on the children.

Read more: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9079761

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Funny how the "mom"s didn't seem to care when they were malnourishing and abusing their kids.

[Midlodemocrat]

3. I was just thinking the same thing.

Obviously, their idea of 'abuse' is radically different from yours and mine. :puke:

[uppityperson]

77. Did anyone else research these claims? Or are the mothers claims, presented by the OP being taken as

fact? I did a bit of research and dug up more articles down in #75
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3287454#3288064

[atreides1]

5. And Your Evidence for this Accusation

I guess by your statement that you have information that these children were not being fed appropriately?

And what is your proof that the "moms" didn't seem to care, besides your obvious hatred of the FLDS?

[pnwmom]

23. The mothers belonged to a sect in which the children, with and without

the mothers, were swapped from family to family upon the will of the Prophet. There's evidence that many of the children at the ranch were there without their biological mothers (or fathers). Children were seen as a sort of community property, rather than as being tied to the birth parents. As a consequence, a number of the children aren't even sure of their parents' names.

I do have to wonder about the depth of maternal-child ties under the circumstances.

Concerning evidence of abuse, Carolyn Jessop, a former wife of the current leader of the YFZ ranch, has described his practice of "baby breaking," which was designed to teach them not to cry. She said he would spank the baby until it cried, then hold the face under running water, which would make the baby instinctively hold its breath. She said the sessions could go on as long as an hour until the baby was exhausted. Her husband taught that this would train the baby without hurting it because the baby would have no conscious memory of what had happened to it.

Concerning abuse by the mothers themselves, many former members have said that the problem isn't so much with mothers abusing their own biological children as it is with mothers turning their anger and frustration on the children of their sister-wives. All the children living there with multiple mothers were vulnerable to that.

[Megahurtz]

68. I think we better start Blaming The Dudes

don't you?

Why isn't anyone talking about the perverts?

The men that have been abusing and brainwashing the women and children seem to be getting off scott free.
At least they're not really being talked about much.

What the fuck is everybody protecting these men for? :shrug:

Seems to be a common phenomenon.

[Rabrrrrrr]

73. My evidence for this accusation is overwhelming, thank you for asking.

All you need do is a google search, and you will avalanched with data.

Hell, you don't even need to do a google search - you only need to open your ears and eyes when around a radio or TV or newspaper, and it will fill you simply by its sheer volume.

[frylock]

9. have a link?

not to condone the ALLEGED acts of the sect leaders here, but I would caution any wild-assed speculation considering nobody really knows what the fuck is going on here aside from what we're being spoon-fed by governmental agencies in full-on CYA mode through a sensationalistic corporate-run media. we were told a lot of things about Ruby Ridge that turned out to be bald-assed lies.

[pnwmom]

25. Google "Carolyn Jessop," who has given testimony in court about FLDS

practices, and is a former wife of the current leader of the YFZ ranch, Merrill Jessop. There are clips of her speeches on youtube as well, and she has written a book called ESCAPE.

She is one of many former members who have given testimony in open court on the practices of the sect and its leaders. You could easily find more. This isn't "wild-assed speculation."

[Beaverhausen]

29. google "Warren Jeffs"

they have his picture on the wall of every room in their living quarters.

[Marrah_G]

33. There is a great deal of information out there

From NON governmental sources. This is a dangerous and criminal cult.

I posted an entire thread with videos from people who have escaped as well as the words of Jeffs himself.

[Marrah_G]

49. here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJAvqc5u9KM

Polygamous Prophet WARREN JEFFS on the Negro Race #3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXo8qNxUlCU&feature=rela...

BANKING ON HEAVEN Polygamy Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6pBftroEc&feature=rela...

Inside Warren Jeffs' world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0RV4fKtKp0&feature=rela...

The Underground Railroad Escaping Polygamy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhvcGH6fFE&feature=rela...

Underground Polygamy Railroad Fawn & Fawn Run!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HonSp_Lmjrk&feature=rela...

DAMNED TO HEAVEN - Warren Jeffs -FLDS- POLYGAMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1cTk2cJQac

Warren Jeffs Instructing Child Brides on Marriage!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGqJIqe6LEE&feature=rela...

Former FLDS Member - "Life In A Cult"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHAbjuLT-Ic&feature=rela...

Damned to Heaven

http://www.freshfilm.com/damnedtoheaven /

[superconnected]

61. Thanks for posting these!

[frylock]

67. thanks

[Rabrrrrrr]

74. Not just *a* link, but shitloads.

Others have posted enough.

[High Plains]

2. A bit more from the article:

The sect made another appeal to Texas Gov. Rick Perry this weekend for help. n a letter to the governor, FLDS member Willie Jessop said many children "have been left in critical medical conditions, resulting in permanent damage through threats, intimidation and ultimately separating them from their parents." Jessop writes that even the state's expert witness advised against separating the youngest children from their mothers. He asks for an emergency meeting with Perry.

So far, Perry has declined to meet with the FLDS and has praised Child Protective Services' actions.

<snip background info>


Chisholm said a master list of placements is missing names of two children taken from the ranch and TRLA has so far been unable to determine their location. She also said mothers who were nursing children older than 12 months were told their toddlers would be kept close by so they could continue to nurse or provide breast milk for them. But some of those toddlers have been moved hundreds of miles away and Texas Child Protective Services has not yet given permission for the mothers to visit them.

"I've been scrambling for the past two days to find out the name of the person I need to call to get permission for my client to enter that facility to nurse her children," said Chisholm, who represents four mothers. "All we've been told is to wait until Monday when they assign caseworkers to individual families."

Some mothers have been unable to confirm where their children have gone and others have learned their children have been split up and sent to different locations. TRLA learned Sunday that a child thought to be in a group home was actually in a hospital.
Some mothers, Chisholm said, "are trying to, sadly, figure out which child needs them more, a child in the hospital or a nursing baby," she said.

[Mojorabbit]

7. A nursing child should be able to

continue to nurse IMO and a mother should be able to find out if her child is in the hospital. Splitting up families is awful too. They shouldn't have to pay for what their parents have done.

[mbperrin]

14. Perhaps it would be simpler to determine who's who if the mothers

didn't lie continually about even their own names as well as their children's.

The children were already paying for what their parents are doing: "marriage" at 13, excommunication of young males as too much competition for the old dogs, no toys.

Removal from their parents is a good thing. I'm glad that your parents must have been good, but I can assure you not all are.

[fed_up_mother]

22. I can't imagine what I would have felt like if my brother had been

kicked out at the age of thirteen. I would have been devastated. This cult is sick on so many levels it boggles the mind.

[pnwmom]

43. And some of the mothers who went on TV crying about the breakup

of their families had probably watched while their sons were kicked out, or taken in new children who had been "assigned" to them by Jessop.

You're right, it boggles the mind.

[pnwmom]

26. Exactly. I saw part of the legal notices, and at that time quite a number

of the children had no first and/or last names.

[Marrah_G]

35. Couple things

They don't even know which child really belongs to which parent.

These families are split up over and over again by the will of the Prophet.

These concerned parents smile and say nothing as their daughters are married into servitude to much older men, sometimes cousins, uncles and stepfathers with a couple hours notice.

These concerned parents say nothing when their young teenage boys are banished and left by the side of the road so they won't compete for the girls.

These parents proudly lie to social services so they can obtain services without the male having to pay any support.

These parents say nothing when their children are denied education and forced to work for free instead.

These parents say nothing when their children do not even know which woman gave birth to them.

These parents say nothing when their children are sent away to different compounds on order of the Prophet.

I could go on and on.

You are mistaken if you think these children belong to a family as you understand a family.

[Mojorabbit]

46. They are doing

dna testing or so I read a while back. Children who are nursing should be allowed to nurse. Having the moms come in and nurse their children under supervision should be a given. I don't care if their parents lie or what they do. It is the smallest of the children who are paying the price. There is also no reason to split up siblings during what has to be horribly traumatic for these children.

[Marrah_G]

47. They have allowed mothers to continue to nurse

The lawyers are trying to gain sympathy for the cult, nothing more.

Frankly most of these children do not even know who their real mother is and many were taken to the ranch without their parents.

CPS needs to learn the REAL relationships to these children before they proceed.

I have a thread on GD with a half dozen links showing the truth about this cult. Please check some of them out.

[Mojorabbit]

50. I don't care about the cult

The article says the mother's are not being allowed to nurse. That they don't know how their hospitalized children are. A hospitalized child should have an adult they know near them especially after a trauma of being removed from their home.. Otherwise,I could give a fig about the parents.

[Marrah_G]

51. The article says that is what the lawyers say

[Mojorabbit]

55. And I am hoping it

is not true as it would be a travesty.

[Marrah_G]

56. If you have time check these out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJAvqc5u9KM

Polygamous Prophet WARREN JEFFS on the Negro Race #3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXo8qNxUlCU&feature=rela...

BANKING ON HEAVEN Polygamy Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6pBftroEc&feature=rela...

Inside Warren Jeffs' world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0RV4fKtKp0&feature=rela...

The Underground Railroad Escaping Polygamy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhvcGH6fFE&feature=rela...

Underground Polygamy Railroad Fawn & Fawn Run!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HonSp_Lmjrk&feature=rela...

DAMNED TO HEAVEN - Warren Jeffs -FLDS- POLYGAMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1cTk2cJQac

Warren Jeffs Instructing Child Brides on Marriage!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGqJIqe6LEE&feature=rela...

Former FLDS Member - "Life In A Cult"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHAbjuLT-Ic&feature=rela...

Damned to Heaven

http://www.freshfilm.com/damnedtoheaven /

[Mojorabbit]

58. I have perused some of these

and will look over the rest. Thanks. As a pagan, I am very wary of the state snatching this many children. There may be good reason for doing this I agree, but the children should not suffer during the transition if at all possible.

[Marrah_G]

60. As am I, as am I

I have had DSS in my living room questioning my religion.

But this truly is a criminal and very harmful cult that enslaves and oppresses women and children to a horrifying extent.

This group uses religion as a shield.

Unfortunately this cult is made up of two large families. There really wasn't any other way to do it.

I also suggest reading "Under the Banner of Heaven" and "Escape" if you have time both show what life inside the cult is like.

[uppityperson]

78. Are they hospitalized?

Being away from your family is traumatic for kids. Reading further, it sounds like some kids have gotten sick, a group with chickenpox, but I wonder how many (other than the 1 that seems to be real) are actually hospitalized. More articles in this link (post #75):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3287454&mesg_id=3288064

[midnight]

8. Those kids have been through a lot. Why were the mother's

seperated from children two years of age and younger? If they suspected abuse, there could of been some supervision.

[pnwmom]

28. I don't know why, and it wasn't my preference either. But

when push came to shove, 25 more underage mothers were identified. They had pretended to be over 18 as long as they could.

[Marrah_G]

36. Because when they find abuse they remove all the children

[superconnected]

62. Isn't a one year old a bit old to be nursing?

[fed_up_mother]

63. Not at all, but most moms who are still nursing at that age are giving

their babies other nourishment as well.

[Megahurtz]

69. Yes. n/t

[WildClarySage]

70. No. n/t

[fed_up_mother]

72. Many nutritional benefits to nursing for at least a year

according the Amercian Academy of Pediatrics and the World Health Organization. However, by six months, most babies could use some supplemental food.

There is absolutely no reason to think that a twelve month old is too old to nurse except for personal preferences or personal hangups.

[Scairp]

4. This gets worse everyday

I wondered how the authorities would cope with so many children being introduced to the system at one time. I can imagine that resources are strained at the moment. At any rate, when children are detained, the parents don't always have access or information as to what is going on with them if they get sick.

[fed_up_mother]

6. I hope they took pictures of all the children in their custody - immediately

With all the lying about names, parents, ages, etc., how hard will it be to defend that CPS DIDN'T lose any children? Can you prove a negative?

And if they did, I hope they have hell to pay.

[Scairp]

18. I'm sure they did

And fingerprints or footprints. Especially since there aren't any birth certificates because no one registers births from this place. I doubt they ever go to a hospital or see a doctor.

[pnwmom]

20. They had a medical clinic at the ranch where they probably

went for most things.

[Marrah_G]

37. And bill medicaid for?

[superconnected]

65. How do they get welfare with no birth certificates?

I'm thinking the kids may not be honest about what familys they are in because they're taught to lie as part of the FLDS welfare scheme. Those kids should know which family and father they originally had to begin with if you look into the cult and the way they are housed - at least to the age of 4.

[Marrah_G]

66. They do not list the fathers on the birth certificates

The fathers are not always their original father, women and children are passed around when a man is thrown out. many of these fathers don't know their own children's names or which child belongs to which mother. These are not any form of normal families.

[pnwmom]

19. I read somewhere that they made up a file for each child with

any available names (of child and parents), a photo, a fingerprint (I assume footprints of the babies), and the DNA swab info.

[SmokingJacket]

10. Travesty. They should have locked up the men, left the women

and kids alone.

[Tumbulu]

12. I agree.

[Marrah_G]

52. Please take a few minutes and watch these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJAvqc5u9KM

Polygamous Prophet WARREN JEFFS on the Negro Race #3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXo8qNxUlCU&feature=rela...

BANKING ON HEAVEN Polygamy Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6pBftroEc&feature=rela...

Inside Warren Jeffs' world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0RV4fKtKp0&feature=rela...

The Underground Railroad Escaping Polygamy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhvcGH6fFE&feature=rela...

Underground Polygamy Railroad Fawn & Fawn Run!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HonSp_Lmjrk&feature=rela...

DAMNED TO HEAVEN - Warren Jeffs -FLDS- POLYGAMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1cTk2cJQac

Warren Jeffs Instructing Child Brides on Marriage!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGqJIqe6LEE&feature=rela...

Former FLDS Member - "Life In A Cult"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHAbjuLT-Ic&feature=rela...

Damned to Heaven

http://www.freshfilm.com/damnedtoheaven /

[thereismore]

13. BINGO. nt

[fed_up_mother]

21. This was a CPS investigation - not a criminal investigation

so officials can't do anything to the men until they find enough evidence and charge them with a crime.

It sucks, but this was "in the best interest of the children." Any other action would have been unconstitutional at this time.

[pnwmom]

30. They couldn't. That wasn't ever a legal option.

They couldn't lock up all the men, because they couldn't legally accuse any of the men of a crime.

OTOH, CPS was required by law to investigate the allegations that had been made, and the only way to do that was to take the children from the ranch while they pursued their investigation.

[Marrah_G]

39. WRONG- the women would have simply run back to one of the other compound with the kids

And then Texas would have a horrible time locating them in different states and countries.

[pnwmom]

45. Good point. n/t

[Tumbulu]

11. why were children still nursing taken away from mothers?

Why????? What sort of idiocy is this?

[thereismore]

15. This really hurts me just to think of it. nt

[Klukie]

16. I read that the judge in the case ....

told the woman who were nursing that this is what working woman have to deal with when that have to return to work after six weeks. This is awful.

[Tumbulu]

17. How sick!

[Ilsa]

53. And working women know that they can pump to provide milk in

some, if not many, situations. Oddly enough, even though the state of texas promotes breastfeeding, some of the worst cases of workplace abuse towards new mothers has been by the state of Texas, in my experience. I have run into countless numbers of moms employed by the state who have had to prematurely wean because they couldn't get pumping breaks even though smokers got smoking breaks. The hypocrisy is quite shameful.

[Marrah_G]

54. The judge had CPS work out arrangements to allow them to nurse.

[Klukie]

64. You are right ....Thanks ..I hadn't seen this...

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_9036404

[Warpy]

24. Early stories said that children under 5 were kept with their mothers

when the mothers were known.

What changed? Are the attorneys for the cult lying? If so, why is there such surprise?

[pnwmom]

34. That was earlier. Subsequently, all the adult mothers were separated

from the children, except for breastfeeding mothers of babies under a year old. Mothers of breastfeeding toddlers were given the option of staying near them and continuing to nurse them and/or provide milk. At that point, 40 out of 47 decided to move to wherever the state wanted them to go to be near the babies. Seven went back to the ranch.

[pnwmom]

32. Nursing babies under a year stayed with their mothers.

I don't know why they drew the line at age one. I also don't know how long the sect mothers nurse their toddlers.

[Ilsa]

48. I bet the "Prophet" made a rule for how long babies can nurse. nt

[Marrah_G]

41. That is assuming the lawyers are not lying

This cult thrives on lying to the government. They are putting on a big show to try and make people such as yourself pity them.

I suggest doing some research before falling for the stories of these con artists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJAvqc5u9KM

Polygamous Prophet WARREN JEFFS on the Negro Race #3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXo8qNxUlCU&feature=rela...

BANKING ON HEAVEN Polygamy Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6pBftroEc&feature=rela...

Inside Warren Jeffs' world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0RV4fKtKp0&feature=rela...

The Underground Railroad Escaping Polygamy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhvcGH6fFE&feature=rela...

Underground Polygamy Railroad Fawn & Fawn Run!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HonSp_Lmjrk&feature=rela...

DAMNED TO HEAVEN - Warren Jeffs -FLDS- POLYGAMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1cTk2cJQac

Warren Jeffs Instructing Child Brides on Marriage!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGqJIqe6LEE&feature=rela...

Former FLDS Member - "Life In A Cult"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHAbjuLT-Ic&feature=rela...

Damned to Heaven

http://www.freshfilm.com/damnedtoheaven /

[High Plains]

27. "Toward Better Solutions to the Texas Child Welfare Crisis"

A report from the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform:

http://www.nccpr.org/reports/texasreport2.pdf

This report DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE CURRENT FLDS IMBROGLIO but with problems in the Texas CPS. Makes for some eye-opening reading, and it is releveant in relation to the claims being made by the FLDS members. Enjoy.

Chapter titles include:

Wrongful removal is not rare 06

You’re only damned if you don’t 08

Wrongful removal hurts children 11

The myth of due process for families 12

Wrongful removal is not inevitable 15

The price of panic 16

What the data really show 18

What Illinois can teach Texas 19

The stakes 22

Angela’s story 25

Forgotten fatality: The death of Eric Hernandez 27

Overuse of institutions 29

Milwaukee vs. the “institutions lobby” 31

Drugs 33

The limits of adoption 36

Spend more –but spend smarter 37

New Jersey’s better idea--Extended families 39

[pnwmom]

38. A child-advocacy group called Justice for Children has been in the

forefront of investigations of the Texas foster care system. The head of this group, Jim Shields, recently called for people to give the system time to work.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5729137.html


The organization I work for and I have been very critical of the systems (child welfare, criminal justice and the family courts) that we taxpayers fund to protect our children. So make no mistake, I am not a defender of "the system."

That being said, I think that we all need to take a deep breath and allow "the system" to do its work. And I am very hopeful that the children of Eldorado will be well served this time because it is my experience that "what's watched, works." In other words, the cracks, or gaping chasms if you prefer, in our child protective systems will be closed because the whole world is watching.

Some are criticizing Child Protective Services (CPS) because it removed 437 children from an environment that the agency deemed dangerous.

CPS was doing its job. Our laws give CPS this extraordinary power because we citizens want protectors of children to have as few obstacles as possible to do their jobs.

SNIP

Was there ample evidence in the FLDS case for CPS to take such drastic action as removing the children from their homes? In a word, yes. The system failure is not that CPS acted too quickly but that it took so long to act, knowing what has been known for years.

SNIP

[notesdev]

40. I wonder who will be held accountable

if any of these kids die or develop serious medical problems due to the CPS action.

Maybe their excuse will be that they had to kill the kids to save them.

[Marrah_G]

31. Frankly I don't believe anything these liars say. n/t

[uppityperson]

76. Please check out other articles on hospitalization claims

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3287454#3288064
post #75 down at bottom.
Claims by mothers are being presented as fact, though "officials have said that about a dozen children had chicken pox and that others needed prescription medications but had not said whether any were hospitalised."

[China_cat]

42. If the state takes your kids away from you

in a 'normal' abuse situation (leaving out any cult involvement), they are NOT going to let you know where your kids are, are not going to let you have contact with them except for (possibly, considering the extent of the abuse and the parent accused) supervised visits at a neutral location, and they are NOT going to contact you if medical care is needed. You might get to come in and say goodbye if the kid going to die, but even that depends on the case worker.

Why should the cultists receive any different consideration?

[Marrah_G]

44. The cult is a master at playing the victim.

[Mojorabbit]

57. But all these mothers have not been

accused of abuse have they?

[Marrah_G]

59. They are being investigated

There is no way they could have left the children there while they investigate.

You really have to understand the depth of this cult for the actions of the state to make sense.

[China_cat]

71. They would have to be suspect

at least of allowing the abuse, which is also a crime.

Like I said, if the state takes your child for allegations of abuse, both parents are considered at fault until there is absolute proof that one is innocent or also a victim.

[uppityperson]

75. MORE articles on these claims...

First some mothers say their kids have become sick and require hospitalization. Then "officials" say about a dozen kids had chickenpox, and others needed Rx meds. Are claims and fears being presented as fact when truth is some kids are sick and need med care but not atypical for a group of kids?
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2305237,00.html

The mothers of children removed from a polygamous sect's ranch in West Texas after an abuse allegation are appealing to Governor Rick Perry for help, saying some of their children have become sick and even required hospitalisation.

(clip)
The mothers said they want Perry to examine the conditions in which the removed children have been placed. "You would be appalled," the letter said. "Many of our children have become sick as a result of the conditions they have been placed in. Some have even had to be taken to the hospital. Our innocent children are continually being questioned on things they know nothing about. The physical examinations were horrifying to the children. The exposure to these conditions is traumatising them."

Asked about claims that children were hospitalised, state Child Protective Services spokesperson Marissa Gonzalez said she had not seen the letter and would have to review it before commenting.

Officials have said that about a dozen children had chicken pox and that others needed prescription medications but had not said whether any were hospitalised.

Then this one
http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695274226,00.html
Martinez is the communications director for Texas RioGrande Legal Aid, which represents 48 FLDS mothers. Seems part may be HPPA (pt privacy, no info given to anyone except guardian) combined with trying to figure out *who* the mother may actually be.

(clip)CPS workers have repeatedly complained that some children and women have provided different names than were given the day before. Together with the unusual family sizes and the number of different mothers caring for the children from the polygamous families, it's been difficult to sort out who's who.

"I don't know if this is a matter of simply not being matched up properly," he said. Such confusion is why a judge ordered all mothers, fathers and children who lived on the ranch to submit to DNA testing. But those results aren't expected for another month.

Martinez said her office received information from one of the foster facilities Saturday that a 2-year-old child from one of the mothers they represent was hospitalized and in the intensive care unit. Yet when the child's guardian ad litem called the hospital, she was told there was no one there with that child's name.