AP Poll: Clinton leads McCain, doing better than Obama

[Tab]

Source: Associated Press

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton now leads John McCain by 9 points in a head-to-head presidential matchup, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable than Democratic rival Barack Obama.

Obama and Republican McCain are running about even.

The survey released Monday gives the New York senator and former first lady a fresh talking point as she works to raise much-needed campaign cash and persuade pivotal undecided superdelegates to side with her in the drawn-out Democratic primary fight.

Helped by independents, young people and seniors, Clinton gained ground this month in a hypothetical match with Sen. McCain, the GOP nominee-in-waiting. She now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent.

Both Democrats were roughly even with McCain in the previous poll about three weeks ago.

Since then, Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary, raising questions anew about whether Obama can attract broad swaths of voters needed to triumph in such big states come the fall when the Democratic nominee will go up against McCain. At the same time, Obama was thrown on the defensive by his comment that residents of small-town America were bitter. The Illinois senator also continued to deal with the controversial remarks of his longtime Chicago pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

"I don't think there's any question that over the last three weeks her stature has improved," said Harrison Hickman, a Democratic pollster unaligned in the primary. He attributed Clinton's gains to people moving from the "infatuation stage" of choosing the candidate they like the most to a "decision-making stage" where they determine who would make the best president.

Added Steve Lombardo, a GOP pollster: "This just reinforces the sentiment that a lot of Republican strategists are having right now — that Clinton might actually be the more formidable fall candidate for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that Obama can't seem to get his footing back."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll

[Red Zelda]

1. Bullshit

Billary leads nobody. She couldn't beat a Nixon-Agnew ticket.

[Rageneau]

2. Nope. just the truth FINALLY sinking in.

[Mojorabbit]

11. Nah

it is just a push from winning the last state. I am saying this as someone who doesn't care which of them get the nomination.

[Tarc]

3. Typical Obamaniac; never lets the facts get in the way of their blind reverence

We're clearly seeing who the weaker candidate would be. Obama is Walter Mondale redux.

[Tab]

4. Is there something about the 90s you didn't like?

Were you not making enough money?
Was gas not cheap enough?
Were you struggling to find a job, or worrying if you could if you lost the one you had?
Were your cousins being shipped off to the middle east, never to return?
Did you attend any funerals?
Was America not admired across the globe?
Were we not on the Human Rights council of the U.N.??

WHAT THE HELL IS WITH YOU PEOPLE???


Edit for typo

[populistdriven]

21. doma, nafta, calea, dmca, chinamfn - clinton left a miserable legacy, the worst of which was bush

if had kept his dick in his pants i doubt the religious right would have gotten bush in as potus

[Tab]

22. I elected a President, not a Pope.

'nuff said.

[Zhade]

52. Yeah, to hell with us queers and workers and medical marijuana patients and civil rights advocates!

NT!

[Tab]

57. Did I say anything about that?

Hey, how have your civil rights been doing lately? Still there? Got them? How's anti-gay sentiment? Lowest it's been in 10 years? Really?

Glad things are so much better now than they were 10 years ago.

[Red Zelda]

45. Impeachment

Monica, NAFTA, media consolidation, Paula Jones, Monica

[Tab]

48. So the last eight years are better?

I mean, Georgie hasn't had an affair. Granted, he's turned a surplus into our greatest deficit ever, killed or injured tens of thousands of our soldiers and contractors, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, started a preemptive war, has us hated around the world, hasn't protected us from terrorism, killed the economy, got us kicked off of the human rights council, has made the Presidency a laughingstock, embraced torture, shot gasoline up to nearly $4/gallon at the pump, devalued the dollar so that stores are now preferring Euros, outed a covert CIA agent, refused to testify under oath about matters of national security, is considered by many to be the worst president in history - assuredly in recent history, if not all of our history -


And all you can come up with is "Paula Jones" and "Monica"? Oh, and NAFTA?

I'll take the 90s back, thank you very much. At least our President was a Rhodes Scholar and stayed up until 3 in the morning working, not struggling to read "My Pet Goat" while the nation burned, or New Orleans drowned.

"Paula Jones" and "Monica". Good god.

[WillyToad]

49. Looks like we have a huge KEN STARR fan in da house

Clinton was on of the most effective presidents in US history. Nothing Obama supporters can dredge up changes any of it.

[emilyg]

6. The name is Hillary.

Face facts.

[DrZeeLit]

19. Oh... like the "fact" that she didn't raise $ 10 million or the fact that

she did support NAFTA
or the fact that she voted for the war, for the Iran resolution, supported Lieberman, lied about her knowledge of those pardons ...

It aint over 'til the fat lady sings...

It soooo isn't over.

[Red Zelda]

46. The name is McCain

same as Billary or Hillbilly or Goldwater Girl or basically what this political whore is ... LOSER

[Zhade]

53. Okay. FACT: clinton's a documented liar: Tuzla, NAFTA...

NT!

[JoFerret]

56. Sorry

feels right to me. And going in that direction as well.

[TBF]

5. Who hired IPSOS to do the poll? They're not a non-profit.

[ooglymoogly]

7. I call slop bucket bullshit

AP has become a water carrier for the pugs and the pugs desperately need Hill to run against. Obama has exceeded their worst case scenarios. They never expected him to get this far and they never in their wildest dreams expected him to surpass their chosen opponent.

[mcollier]

9. Its not that close

McCain really gets my attention today. take a look:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Y1qcma0Q4">More of the same?

[mcollier]

10. Its not that close

McCain really gets my attention today. take a look:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Y1qcma0Q4">More of the same?

[singilarpoint]

8. what the

What a cowinkydink. Every right wing kook in the country is pulling for Hillary to beat Obama.
Every ounce of news in the corporate media is vilifying Obama through their guilt by association tactics. And now we are hearing what a powerful, and wondrous candidate Hillary is. Come on people-
You are insulting our intelligence here. You better come up with a ploy a little more complicated than that. You're not doing the, Hey I got your nose bit on a three year old here...You should be ashamed at the sophistication of your thinly veiled tactics.

[palindrome]

12. Oh yeah

I have less posts than you do, sucka, and I say you're wrong!

LOL just thought i'd jump in for that, sorry.

[singilarpoint]

17. nothing to be sorry about

And welcome to the DU...Well, let me get back to my Yankee's game....

[BRLIB]

13. Maybe cause she is a liar and purely selfis opportunist !

She now shares McSame as Bush's "tax holiday" on gas claiming Obama is insensitive.
What a piece of EXCREMENT!!!!

[robcon]

14. I believe the OP. Clinton is ahead.

Obama is doing fine among Dems, but independents and some working class Dems are turned off by Obama's gaffes and revelations of the last month.

Sounds right to me: President Clinton.

[Zhade]

54. She's a conservative idiot, so no surprise you like her.

Birds of a feather and all that.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

15. Reality check so deal with it, we need to nominate the canidate that will most likely be elected.

[robcon]

16. I disagree, FreeState Dem. Always vote your conscience.

I think we should ALWAYS vote for the person who we believe is the best person for the office, and make NO ALLOWANCES for who is popular, who will win, or who is favored by others.

In addition, from a practical point of view, which candidate is favored in May has little to do with who will be favored in November. Make up your mind on the candidate, and don't be swayed by polls or trends to change your vote.

[Politicalboi]

18. It doesn't matter

If she is ahead of McCrazy. She is not going to face him in the GE so who cares. She should run as McCrazy's VP.

[truthisfreedom]

20. Polls don't decide presidencies.

The electoral college decides presidencies.

on edit: Oops, my bad. The Supreme Court decides presidencies.

[skoalyman]

23. so our corporate masters have already made up there minds who is to be elected

come election day?:shrug:

[question everything]

24. AP Poll: Clinton leads McCain, doing better than Obama

Source: AP

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

Hillary Rodham Clinton now leads John McCain by 9 points in a head-to-head presidential matchup, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable than Democratic rival Barack Obama. Obama and Republican McCain are running about even.

The survey released Monday gives the New York senator and former first lady a fresh talking point as she works to raise much-needed campaign cash and persuade pivotal undecided superdelegates to side with her in the drawn-out Democratic primary fight.

Helped by independents, young people and seniors, Clinton gained ground this month in a hypothetical match with Sen. McCain, the GOP nominee-in-waiting. She now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent. Both Democrats were roughly even with McCain in the previous poll about three weeks ago.

Since then, Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary, raising questions anew about whether Obama can attract broad swaths of voters needed to triumph in such big states come the fall when the Democratic nominee will go up against McCain. At the same time, Obama was thrown on the defensive by his comment that residents of small-town America were bitter. The Illinois senator also continued to deal with the controversial remarks of his longtime Chicago pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll

[Rosa Luxemburg]

25. one poll only and they are all over it

what about all the polls that say not

[question everything]

29. As the old saying goes: the only poll that counts is on election day (nt)

[speedoo]

26. Outlier poll, posted for at least the tenth time.

Other polls not as good for Hillary:

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvC.php

[Double T]

27. The trend is HRC UP and UP!! Meanwhile BO is on his way down...........

THEN out!

[crimsonblue]

28. Ok. let's say that does happen... then what?

Do you honestly believe she has any real chance against McCain? There will be millions of people choosing to stay home, including probably 30-40% of elegible AA voters. Plus, there is no way she can actually win without cheating or stealing the election. You must have really envied what Dubya did in 2000 and 2004.

[Trajan]

31. I understand that she will kill every first born until she wins ....

eating the pulsing livers of little old ladies, will she do ....

Believe it: I read it on the internets ....

:sarcasm:

Your post is so full of fallacious holes, it is comical ...

[crimsonblue]

33. Ok... I actually have AA and other minority friends..

and they are quite pissed at the Clintons, thank you very much. And if you think a demographic that has been supporting Obama at about 80% rates will still be fired up to vote for the woman that stole the election from the best candidate, then you are the idiot to not recognize it. "Ignore the elephant in the room!" If you think that the millions of Obama supporters will not rightfully be pissed off that they had the nomination stolen then you are just dumber than the shit in Dubya's toilet. (admit it, the ONLY way she can win is to steal it. She cannot win more pledged delegates. And I do believe she said early on that it was pledged delegates that decided it.) Stop moving the goalposts, asshole.

[Trajan]

36. I am a Democrat ...

I am not a 'Clintonista', as the right wing hacks and the Obamaists like to charge ....

I am not an Obamaphile, though I think he is grand, wonderful candidate ....

I have a problem with the dividers here, particularly those who threaten to stay out if they dont get their way ....

FUCK all that .....

IF someone gets all egocentric and refuses to vote against the GOP come November, they can go to hell .....

The issues at stake are larger than candidate-partisan's egos ...

[crimsonblue]

39. By that logic, then Hillary should already be out.

She cannot win. She cannot feasable pass Obama in pledged delegates, you know, the ones derived from actual voting.

[question everything]

43. Sheer blackmail

Thus, because most African Americans will be pissed if Obama is not the nominee, he should be?

And, please, tell me again that his popularity is not based on his race.

Geraldine Ferraro was right, after all, it seems.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

51. I'm so sick and tired of this fallacy!

Look, when this race began, Hillary was getting nearly 70% of the black vote. A sizable portion of the remaining proportion went to Edwards and even Kucinich!! Blacks were NOT for Obama in the beginning, but the Hillary sheeple continue to propagate the lie. It's simply not true. Wanna know how I know? Because I am a black woman who was a staunch Kucinich supporter. Very few of my black friends, family members, and colleagues were Obama supporters initially. Most were Hillary supporters primarily because of their love and reverence for Bill.

When Kucinich dropped out, did I go to Obama? NO!!! I was an ardent Edwards supporter. (If he endorses Hillary, my heart will be broken because she embodies the antithesis of Edwards' message.) Only after Edwards dropped out did I *very* reluctantly move over to Obama. In the beginning, my personal transformation had more to do with my disdain for Hillary...NOT BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE...NOT BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN...and not even because she has run one of the most despicable, disorganized and vicious campaigns in recent history!!! No, these are not the reasons why I despise this shrew of a woman who I once admired.

The lone reason for my hatred and disdain for Hillary is because of her voting record and DLC-based policies!! Bottom line.

Let's go down the list of egregious voting acts committed by this DLC shill:

1. Voted for the IWR
2. What no one seems to be discussing is the fact that she not only voted to give Dumbya the authority to invade a sovereign country that had never posed a threat to us, she ALSO voted AGAINST the Levin Amendment. NO ONE BRINGS THIS UP!! Why? The Levin Amendment would have pursued a more diplomatic approach to Iraq and would have given the UN Inspectors more time to find WMD's. Hillary has NEVER apologized for her votes. NEVER!
3. Voted for the bankruptcy bill
4. Voted for the resolution condemning Move On.Org's Petraeus ad
5. Voted FOR the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment that--once again--gives Dumbya the authority to use force against Iran and declares their army a terrorist organization
6. No matter how much she repeats the lie, she DID support NAFTA and lied about it
7. Sadly, many of my gay and lesbian friends here on DU and elsewhere falsely believe that she is supportive of gay rights but she SUPPORTED her husband's atrocious Defense of Marriage Act
8. Caving to The Right's McCarthy-like attempt to question everyone's patriotism but their own, she voted FOR the flag amendment preventing free speech and expression

There are so many more of these despicable acts that Hillary Clinton has committed against this country through her voting record alone. I could be here for days going down the very long list.

I am baffled that so many so-called Democrats and/or progressives and/or feminists would support Hillary Clinton. I simply do not understand their reasoning at all.

If you are a true Democrat or a true progressive, Hillary Clinton should not get your vote!!!

[Double T]

32. george w. mccain is unelectable. obama is unelectable.

HRC is VERY ELECTABLE and will ultimately WIN in a LANDSLIDE ELECTION. THEN we will have a chance to save our ruined nation.

[crimsonblue]

34. You might tell that to the millions of voters that gave Obama more votes and more pledged delegates.

Hillary only has a superdelegate lead because she convinced tons of supers to endorse before a single vote was cast. You are pathetic.

[Double T]

35. YOU forgot Florida and Michigan. So has obama!!

NOTHING like disenfranchising millions of voters; those voters will remember in the GE.

[crimsonblue]

38. No I haven't. Their votes DO NOT COUNT.

Why? They broke the rules. If you disagree, then take that up with SCOTUS. Here is a dose of reality, you delusional idiot.

[Double T]

40. OOPs! Must have hit a nerve.........

YOU must mean the DNC disenfranchisement rules perpetrated by HD. New elections have been offered up BUT BO wants no part of THEM. HRC will crush BO if another election if BO EVER ALLOWS THEM to occur.

[crimsonblue]

41. Now who's the one pushing false logic full of fallacies now?

You have no idea as to whether HRC will beat Obama in Michigan or Florida, because valid elections did not take place. This is not the DNC and Howard Dean's fault. This is the fault of the state legislatures. They knew what would happen if they moved up. The responsibility for disenfranchising voters falls ONLY on the shoulders of Florida and Michigan. Hillary even agreed to that, but that was before she thought she'd need them.

[Zhade]

55. Learn some remedial politics - it's not disenfranchisement.

If you knew anything, you'd know WHY it isn't.

[Trajan]

30. I like Clinton ... I love Obama ...

I really do despise the ANTI-Democrat rhetoric in this forum ....

One thing though: Once one of them drop out, your anti Democrat rhetoric will be most unwelcome here ....

At least : I hope so .....

[ryanmuegge]

37. Unfortunately, Obama's been mortally wounded by the race-baiting.

The race card is immensely effective in national elections (look at Ronald Reagan's "welfare queen" shit and Bush's, Jr.'s Willie Horton ads).

[sharesunited]

42. Unelectable or not, Obama is the candidate. Roll the goddamn dice.

[MrModerate]

44. Hillary gained because she didn't fold and Obama showed . . .

He's not superman.

McCain is fading because he's a sack of shit with Schimpanski's stink all over him. In a fair election, every losing Dem candidate for the last 50 years would beat him.

Doesn't mean MCain won't be sworn in next year -- remember who owns the voting machines.

[skoalyman]

47. yep our corporate masters

:shrug:

[underpants]

50. MSM Co. tries to pile it on

they think they have him down. They have almost convinced themselves of it.

[Vinca]

58. Not surprising given the pastorbating that's been going on in the MSM.

Even so, Obama is still ahead on all counts and will be the nominee. I don't put a great deal of stock in polls that show anything against McCain when there are 3 candidates in the race. The vast majority of such polls have showed Obama beating McCain, not Clinton. A tree stump should be able to beat McCain given his health insurance plan. Wait till the masses find out their employer isn't paying for insurance anymore.

[xyouth]

59. Gee it is almost like someone is trying to sway public opion away from Obama.