RNC demands networks yank (anti-)McCain ad

[Newsjock]

Source: Associated Press

The Republican National Committee demanded Monday that television networks stop running a television ad by the Democratic Party that falsely suggests John McCain wants a 100-year war in Iraq.

The ad says President Bush has talked about staying in Iraq for 50 years, then plays a clip of McCain saying, "Maybe 100. That'd be fine with me."

The announcer then says: "If all he offers is more of the same, is John McCain the right choice for America's future?"

... Democratic Party chief Howard Dean said "there's nothing false" about the ad. "We deliberately used John McCain's words. This isn't some ominous consultant's voice from Washington. This is John McCain's own words. And we've been very upfront about everything that he's said."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/28/politics/p161053D77.DTL&tsp=1

[ccharles000]

1. the RNC sucks.

[samsingh]

19. pretty picture of Hillary when she was still Hillary

[Baby Snooks]

25. She's still Hillary...

It's the same Hillary. It's just her roots are finally showing.

[krkaufman]

41. It *is* 15+ years since she first came to national attention ...

... so some aging is allowed. (And it's not strictly her appearance that is problematic.)

[samsingh]

63. i wasn't referring to the picture per say, just the love i used to

feel for her and the political innocence she had

[krkaufman]

73. ah, gotcha. n/t

[blayne]

52. Attacks on Hillary belong in the attack Hillary threads.

I'm sure you won't have a problem finding one, but this didn't start out as one.

[samsingh]

64. i'm actually not attacking Hillary

i'm pretty much down the middle on both her and Obama.

i'll be happy with either of them in office - but i see flaws in both. but then is there anyone who doesn't have flaws?

[Patriot Abroad]

75. Cheney?

Oh, wait, you said "have flaws", not "admit to flaws". Never mind.

[samsingh]

98. the question with the disgusting imbecile cheney is rather

does he have anything that redeems him? is there anything decent about cheney at all?

the answer is no. cheney is disgusting, vile, filthy slime.

[calimary]

2. Perhaps the RNC doesn't like the truth getting out.

But it's mcsame's OWN WORDS. Nothing we put in his mouth. And nothing we've twisted or fabricated or embroidered. THAT is PRECISELY what he said. In front of numerous witnesses AND cameras.

[Deb]

3. demands?

We really need a laughing donkey in the smilies lookup table. :D

[cbayer]

9. How about a donkey ROFLing?

[truedelphi]

22. What a sweetie.

A friend of mine had horses - she got donkeys to keep the horses company.

A few years later, she had given up the horses for the more loving burros.

[cbayer]

27. Does horse + donkey = burro?

Or do I have this completely wrong?

[OnyxCollie]

31. Off topic, but I was curious about that myself.

There's a donkey/burro/mule that lives in a fenced-in yard near my house. When I walk my dog, the donkey/burro/mule will stand by his little shed and watch us. If we move behind a tree, he'll move to see us. Once we spot him, he'll turn around and run away. When we start to leave, he'll run up closer to the fence. He acts like a big dog. What a goof.

[Botany]

81. He is a smart animal and wants to play

might help

[nachoproblem]

45. horse + donkey = mule

burro = donkey

Right?

[cbayer]

54. If burro = donkey

and horse + donkey = mule, then

mule - burro = horse

[jeff30997]

59. You can take the mule out of the burro but

You can't take the ass out of the Republicans.

[onager]

91. Ha! I'm in Egypt and see donkeys doing that every day...

Those guys are all over the place here, along with horses. I live in a city of 7 million people (Alexandria), and it's not at all unusual to look out the car window and see a donkey grinning at me in the middle of urban traffic. Same in Cairo. Many farmers come into the cities every day in donkey carts to sell their produce.

Cairo recently tried to ban animals on the city streets, but the farmers are raising a ruckus about it.

My job site is out among a bunch of little farm villages, near the Nile Delta, where many people still use donkeys for transportation and work.

I used to see one man in a village teaching his little girl how to drive the donkey cart, and I'd guess she's only 7 or 8 years old. She sure learned well. Now I see her driving it by herself, or sometimes with her friends riding in the cart. If there is a Donkey Speed Limit I'm sure she exceeds it occasionally.

Weird Useless Trivia: I've read that most of the donkeys and horses I see today are descended from animals left in Egypt by the British Army after World War I.

Which is not to malign the long and honorable lineage of the Egyptian donkey. If you ever tour the tombs at Saqqara (site of the Step Pyramid), you will see the walls decorated with ancient drawings of these noble and hard-working critters.

[cbayer]

92. I just got up and it was a real pleasure to read your post!

I have always wanted to visit Egypt. I have a very romanticized vision of it and you just added to that! Thanks. :hi:

[onager]

100. You're welcome!

:hi:

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the place. I like hearing from my fellow DU'ers. I probably have a less romanticized vision, since I have to work here. I do love Alexandria, though. I'm a big history geek. And it helps that the Mediterranean is a short walk from my apartment. Like, 50 feet...:-)

You probably noticed that my screen name honors a type of donkey. And a catapult!

[Bok_Tukalo]

4. The problem isn't the 100 years

McCain has effectively cleared that up and we can decide if we want to make that sort of permanent military presense on the level of South Korea or Europe.

The problem, to me anyway, is the concept of an open ended commitment found in his language and rhetoric that blindly demands success (whatever that is) and does nothing to ensure we have partners in the attempt to ameliorate the blunder of invading and occupying Iraq.

[nachoproblem]

50. True

The "100 years" quote is technically out of context because I remember him saying it would be worth it to stay for a hundred or a thousand or so on years IF we were assured that hostilities had ended there. The problem of course is with his premise, that given the way Iraq is we can be frankly pretty sure that hostilities would NEVER end as long as we stayed. And also there's the implication that McCain would consider making that kind of commitment only in the hope of that premise being met, but nevertheless with conditions being no better than they are now. And Dean did a pretty good job of clarifying that.

[tridim]

5. Hehe. Suck on it repukes.

Video and the Internet are the GOP's worst nightmare.

Watch that temper McPain! :rofl:

[Trajan]

6. Fuck them ....

Thanks to the RNC and their minions on the GOP, our great nation is headed towards multiple disasters on many fronts ....

FUCK the RNC .... FUCK the Republicans ... and FUCK John McCain ....

[mcollier]

17. Hahahahahaha Come on... Guys play fair....

Would the RNC like this one better ==>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Y1qcma0Q4">Trajan your right...Care to discuss these McCain?

[liberal N proud]

7. How is it any different than the ads they ran against Kerry in 04?

Oh, I know, it is the truth, he said it multiple times, multiple ways. Kerry didn't.


In the wrong is right republicon world that makes sense.

[olddad56]

8. 50 years here, 100 years there, after a while that starts to be a long time.

[Wapsie B]

10. Ta hell with the RNC.

They had their chance to lead and they blew it, big time. A pox on all their houses for 1000 generations.

[pinto]

11. LOL.

:nopity:

[bluerum]

12. But it's okay for drug addled rUsh limpdough to call for riots in Denver.

[BlooInBloo]

13. self-delete.

[muntrv]

14. RNC lies like a dog.

[mnhtnbb]

15. Truth sucks, doesn't it RNC?

[John Q. Citizen]

16. Suck it up, you RNC whimps.

[samsingh]

18. repugs fear the truth

[skyounkin]

20. Go to hell grand oil party

n/t

[yellowcanine]

21. As HST said,"I just tell the truth and they (Republicans) think it is Hell."

[JBoy]

23. RNC is trying to set the whining bar really low.

If they whine about this, and the ad goes through, they think their next whine will have a better chance of success.

Smart move, for a bunch of hypocritical whiny babies..

[bow-tie]

24. RNC demands

DEMANDS????!! Fuck the RNC and their "DEMANDS"!

[pacalo]

26. Dictating to tv networks is so...Soviet Union-ish. I challenge them to take the DNC to court

to prove why the American voters should not hear McSame's own words.

[xioaping]

76. Come on, it was way out of context

The Republican are not smart enough to go produce an ad just like it and taking Clinton or Obama quotes out of context the same way the DNC did. The Republicans are silly asking to pull the ad.

In defense of all you Clinton fans, can you imagine if they put one together that had Clinton saying she was under sniper fire?

Anyhow, it is all silly. The DNC has used a stupid ploy that gives the Republicans something to talk about other than the war. I do not find that smart.

[ProfessorPlum]

90. Do you seriously think they wouldn't??

"can you imagine if they put one together that had Clinton saying she was under sniper fire?"

It's probably already made.

[crimsonblue]

28. This is probably the stupidest thing the RNC could do...

think about it the only chance they have at winning is by running patently false and negative ads against Obama. If the media capitulates the RNC, then how can they justify negative attack ads against Obama? Also, this brings up the war in the Iraq back into the collectie psyche, and that's pretty much the last thing the repugs want. Silly repugs, paving their own way to Hell.

[Hulk]

29. Yeah...we should yank it. It conflicts with the fairy tale they are trying to spread.

Are you kidding? Didn't this dumb ass old far geezer say this? Did someone manipulate his lips in the computer world and MAKE HIM say these things?

I think not. The dumb ass said it...let him eat it. What an asshole.

And hello RNC.....you are f*cking out of your mind!

[guyanakoolaid]

30. Kudos to Dean for sticking to his guns. I want more of the same kinds of ads...

nothing but clips of McCain's own words.

And if they want to keep up the rhetoric and insist on keeping Wright an issue, then we'll attack on Hagee, too.

[Stardust]

42. Brilliant strategy on Dean's part. Don't wait to fight McCain until we

actually have a candidate. Fuck up his free ride. :kick:

[cstanleytech]

32. Boy, can they be more hypocritical?

Whats even more funny is those pretty much McCains words if I recall but the reverends words are not Obamas.

[ljm2002]

88. "pretty much McCains words"???

Try, those were exactly. McCain's. words. out. of. his. own. mouth. on camera.

Looks to me like the RNC ought to go complain to McCain for saying it, if they disagree that strongly.

[swimmernsecretsea]

33. Mommy! He hitted me!

Next up:
"Why are you hitting yourself? Stop hitting yourself"

"Make me!" "I don't make trash, I burn it!"

"I'm rubber, you're glue"

[Submariner]

34. As your fearless leader Dick "5 deferment" Cheney says; "Go F*CK Yourself RNC"

Shoe is on the other foot eh repukes? :rofl:

[Lint Head]

35. Repubilcan = Fascist

:dem:

[Dukkha]

36. reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote

"If you're gonna get mad at me every time I do something stupid, then I guess I'll just have to stop doing stupid things"

if you are going to get pissy over people pointing out that your nominee says stupid shit then stop nominating stupid people!

[raystorm7]

37. I swear to all that is mighty... if the DNC yanks this off the AIR?!

[raystorm7]

38. Lets say hypothetically we pull the ad. We then play this one in full...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

[krkaufman]

39. What's sad is, the RNC is trying this tactic, because they think it might work.

It's very possible that the media will rollover for the RNC & McCain, and, at worst, this is just the first instance of working the refs that the RNC will employ throughout the campaign in an attempt to keep the media in check.

How ironic that McCain's own words are off-limits, but the RNC can go after Wright, Ayers, flag pins, Bosnia...

[minnesota_liberal]

40. Networks tell RNC to Go to Hell

There's absolutely nothing misleading about the ad.

[PinkyisBlue]

43. Boo hoo, the RNC is upset.

The Republicans can dish it out but they can't take it.

At least the ads the Democrats use aren't based on lies.

[sasquatch]

44. Sasquatch to RNC: Suck my ass!

*Flips bird*

[DFW]

46. It's time for RNC GOOSE RHYMES!

This little swift boat played nasty
This little swift boat played mean
This little swift boat played deceptive
But one little swift boat played clean
And the OTHER little swift boats went "Waaah Waaah Waaah" all the way home!

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Hmmm. Musta hit a nerve, with that one.

Tough.

[AnnieBW]

48. Dear RNC

Bite me.

Love, DNC.

[fascisthunter]

49. We Got Him.... And They Know It

[and-justice-for-all]

51. They better tell the RNC to go fuck them selves...

Truth is a real party killer is'nt? He did say it, I heard him say it and it is not inaccurate. He is not going to get the Hill anyway so why does it matter.

[bhikkhu]

53. I'd say a mutual no lies or distortions agreement would be good,

but that would basically put them out of business - they'd never agree.

Probably it is more of a stunt to call out a "lie" (whether its a lie or not), then watch it get lots of press and not be pulled, and use that as a justification to seriously wade into the shit against our side.

[Zambero]

55. Maybe the GOP should yank McCain

He's the one who suggested that 100 years in Iraq was no big deal.

[OmahaBlueDog]

56. Dammit -- you libtard defeatocrats don't get it. Sure, he said "Maybe 100 Years"

.. but he meant until he TURNS 100, which is only -- what -- 18 years from now.

Even my homeschooled kids get that!

Now I'm going to get off the interweb and go back and watch Ted Hagee :evilgrin:

[NBachers]

60. I Gotta Ask- Where Can I Find That Picture?

It's the Democratic side of "Rock and Roll Heaven."

[OmahaBlueDog]

61. Sure -- no problem

The painting is "True Blues" by Andy Thomas (note: he did a GOP version as well called "Grand Old Gang
-- I just don't want you to be shocked when you see it)

http://www.world-wide-art.com/Andy_Thomas/True_Blues/vaid23735.html

http://www.eleganthorsepictures.com/thomas-true-blues1.html

[The_Casual_Observer]

57. He didn't say it? He said something else?

[ashling]

58. But McCain can go out there and say

that Hamas wants Obama elected.

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[still_one]

62. any bets that the networks will cave in and remove them? /nt

[still_one]

68. Since Bill Clinton signed the communications act of the 90's, I wonder what will happen?

[Eurobabe]

65. Oh that is REALLY rich. Hey RNC: go fuck yourselves. n/t

[singilarpoint]

66. I'll never understand

Why is it that these people consider every word, thought, or action of Obama's former Pastor a direct link to Obama? But when their own ilk gets busted talking insanity on tape, well, you can't believe your lying eyes?

[BobTheSubgenius]

67. Man! Damned Democrats!

Throwing a politician's own words back at him. IMAGINE!

[Hawaii Hiker]

69. Fuck the RNC: After what Republicans did to Kerry & Max Cleland,

there isn't one fucking thing that Democrats could do that would stoop to the level of what was done to Kerry & Clenland back in the 2004 elections...

So fuck the RNC & fuck that broken down old bastard John McBush..

[w4rma]

70. When did the AP become mind readers? "falsely"? (nt)

[beltanefauve]

74. I noticed that too

"The Republican National Committee demanded Monday that television networks stop running a television ad by the Democratic Party that falsely suggests John McCain wants a 100-year war in Iraq."

This is par for the course for the Associated Press, though. Once again, instead of straight reporting, the author inserts bias and tells us how to think.

[Snazzy]

83. [e-mail]

sent mine...

[beltanefauve]

93. Thanks for that public service! n/t

[Hutzpa]

delete - double post

double pissed!

:grr:

[Hutzpa]

71. Would like to see if the DNC

would bend over backwards on this one, this is what you
get when you let them have their way, they sure do have
some nerve though.

My God!

:puke: :grr:

[PittPoliSci]

72. DON'T BACK DOWN

whatever happens.

don't back down

[kevinbgoode]

77. Oh, I get it. . .only Republicans are allowed to take soundbites

and produce ads and create "issues" out of context. Too bad McCain opened his mouth and the words fell out of it while he was pandering to the neo-con empire-building base. There are going to be plenty more opportunities to take McCain's poorly-chosen words and link them to his "spiritual advisers," his lobbyist campaign management, his history of reaping the personal benefits of marrying into money and receiving taxpayer-supported health care. . .

[99th_Monkey]

78. RNC shows belly: ouch!! you got me!!

I heart Doctor Dean.

[dave123williams]

79. They call something a 'lie' that is, in fact, a concrete representation of what the guy said.

The sky is green, they'll say. Water is dry.

Democracy is margarine. You can 'spread' it.

[happygoluckytoyou]

80. OUT OF CONTEXT.... MCCAINS WORDS WERE IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION "HOW OLD ARE YOU"

[tanyev]

82. *gasp* How dare they show actual footage of him saying something!

Have they no sense of decency?

[indio55555]

84. ummm NO.

They had a field day for 30 seconds of Wright's tape..... so let 'em have it. After all this is McCains 5 second clip.

[Supersedeas]

85. Swiftboating is A-OK, but using a candidates own words on a substantive issue--OUT OF BOUNDS

[Mad_Dem_X]

86. F the RNC

McCain said those words, it's a fact. The people deserve to know this.

[truebrit71]

87. I demand that the RNC yank my crank...

...the DNC should pull that ad just as soon as it's proven to be false...

[Bleacher Creature]

89. FALSELY???????

It's been mentioned before in this thread, but it's worth repeating.

The first line of this AP article reads:

The Republican National Committee demanded Monday that television networks stop running a television ad by the Democratic Party that falsely suggests John McCain wants a 100-year war in Iraq.

[Igel]

96. The issue is "war".

The "100 years" bit is spot on. The "war" part is deeply entrenched among avid consumers of Sound Bites (tm), the light-weight, low-calorie tv snack favored by Americans.

He was only for 100 years in Iraq if there were no US soldiers killed or injured. That's unlikely in a hot war. Unless it's the kind of war that we currently have in S. Korea and Germany (which were also in the context). But that's where the anti-JM ad takes you.

It entails that we've continued to fight a war 63 years after a supposed victory when Hitler offed himself, for 63 years after Nagasaki. Now, isn't 66 years of fighting Germany and Japan enough? (And doesn't this make claims that Iraq's lasted longer than WWII a bit problematic? It's only been what? 17 years for Iraq?)

Some examples of reductio ad absurdum are too easy.

[Amonester]

94. oh yeah. They're gonna pull the ad and then, they'll apologize for it.

They've been doing it for 8 years, so why, all of a sudden, would they change their modus operandi?

[LeftCoast]

95. Have any networks pulled the ad?

Usually, when the GOP wants something from the networks, they get it.

[Vinca]

97. I've heard the tape of McCain saying this time and time and time again.

He said 100 years. Case closed. It doesn't matter he went on to say troops might stay there the same way they're in South Korea, as peace keepers. They would still be there. 100 years. Boo hoo to the RNC.

[KakistocracyHater]

99. Hope they don't pull it

just run the video of the Right, with the date & location of where/when they said it. Run it endlessly.

[Javaman]

101. This just in....

RNC accuses Democratic party of photoshopping mclames voice!

[harun]

102. Blitzer tried to spin McCain's statement the other night to make it

appear that is not really what he meant. One of the anchors told blitz "Stop whining, he said 100 years".