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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:24 PM
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Concentration camp doctor heads list of top 10 wanted Nazis
Source: Associated Press

BADEN-BADEN, Germany - Karl Lotter, a prisoner who worked in the hospital at Mauthausen concentration camp, had no trouble remembering the first time he watched SS doctor Aribert Heim kill a man.

It was 1941, and an 18-year-old Jew had been sent to the clinic with a foot inflammation. Heim asked him about himself and why he was he so fit. The young man said he had been a soccer player and swimmer.

Then, instead of treating the prisoner's foot, Heim anesthetized him, cut him open, castrated him, took apart one kidney and removed the second, Lotter said. The victim's head was removed and the flesh boiled off so that Heim could keep it on display.

"He needed the head because of its perfect teeth," Lotter, a non-Jewish political prisoner, recalled in testimony eight years later that was included in an Austrian warrant for Heim's arrest uncovered by The Associated Press. "Of all the camp doctors in Mauthausen, Dr. Heim was the most horrible."



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_re_eu/nazi_hunting;_ylt=AunWv3bolYiIwI1dEU8UHz7frGIF
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:28 PM
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1. Get the bastards.
All of them. And their descendants, too.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:32 PM
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3. "And their descendants, too." Why? n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:39 PM
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9. Because many of them harbor the same hearts.
And we need to ask them if they feel the same toward other people as their fathers and grandfathers. Many of them do. You don't need to ask George Bush, for one. You can tell by his actions.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:47 PM
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12. Sorry, I just can't get aboard that train of reasoning.
It is a little too Old Testament for my taste: the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son. Yuck. If one can tell by their actions, then let that be the reason for 'hunting them down,' but it shouldn't be because of who's DNA they have floating about in their body.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:40 AM
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102. Nor can I. That's sick. nt
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:31 PM
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25. I really hope you're kidding...eom
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:52 AM
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40. You're as crazy as they are
What the fuck is that?
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:28 AM
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48. that's just fucking stupid...
Should we ask your kids if they are as ignorant as you, they harbor the same mind...

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Traction311 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:20 PM
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65. They can harbor the same hearts, thoughts, and views all they want
Perfectly legal. As long as they don't act on it, it isn't against the law.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:03 PM
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81. So Kat Von D is a Nazi sympathizer?


I mean, she's annoying, but not THAT annoying.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:39 PM
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88. That is really ignorant.
By your logic, I should be locked up as well.

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:35 AM
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97. So if my grandafter killed someone, *I* should go on trial?
You're fucking insane.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:42 PM
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10. why to perpetuate the cycle of course
Not going after their descendants would result in a break in the senseless violence and people might start to actually be nice to each other.
That would just be wrong.

/sarcasm
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:03 PM
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20. Uhm... no... we should not punish innocent descendants of nazi war criminals. n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:12 PM
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23. Where did I write ''punish innocent descendants of nazi war criminals''?
And where do I say "hunting them down"? in Aegis' reply above, for that matter?

What I wrote:



Because many of them harbor the same hearts.

And we need to ask them if they feel the same toward other people as their fathers and grandfathers. Many of them do. You don't need to ask George Bush, for one. You can tell by his actions.



If there are war criminals running around free, I want to see them brought to justice. Evidence indicates that includes Bush and his cronies, which is why I want to ask them about their treasonous, warmongering actions.

No where did I write that I want to see a person persecuted or prosecuted for their beliefs or their DNA. That would be NAZI.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:36 PM
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26. ”Get the bastards and their descendants too" is what you said, yes?
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 10:47 PM by Hobarticus
Exactly what would we be "getting" their descendants for, and what would "getting" them imply?

If you didn't mean it as such, perhaps it would be wise to edit it. It comes across to a reasonable person as rather fascist to punish someone's children for their crime.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:55 PM
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28. Descendants like Bush.
He and all war criminals -- fascistic and every other kind of warmonger -- need to be brought to justice.

I won't edit a word. It represents what I want, which is to see justice. The evidence seems compelling that George Walker Bush, his father, brothers, uncles, cousins, relations, friends and neighbors have profited off of war. If so, they must be brought to justice. Congress should lead the investigation.

Here's a bit of what I've written on the subject. Please note the NAZI parts, a large number of which co-exists within the Bush circle of Friends and Family:


Know your BFEE: GW Bush Covers Up His Lying America Into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3007406


Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1812452&mesg_id=1812452


Know your BFEE: Scions of the Military Industrial Complex

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1766663


Know your BFEE: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ford Covered Up CIA Murder of American Scientist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1224071


Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=872755


Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2082945


Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1547206&mesg_id=1547206


Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace. Always.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x250447

That's why I won't change a word. These NAZI scum are still among us. Klar?
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. And which Bush family member was a member
of the Nazi Party
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:57 AM
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37. Prescott Bush, for one, helped arm the NAZIs.
Corporate McPravda appears to have missed the story:



How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president


Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
The Guardian, Saturday September 25, 2004

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar



The BBC reports there also are indications he sided with those who attempted to overthrow FDR.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

Furthermore, his sons and grandsons certainly act like fascists. GHW Bush and GW Bush both attacked countries that were no threat to the United States and killed thousands -- if not millions -- of innocent people.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:08 PM
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59. Your proof that Prescott Bush was a member of the Nazi Party is?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:29 PM
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60. He did business with the NAZIs. That's proof enough for me.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:06 PM
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82. Then this article will interest you.
http://www.cracked.com/article_15767_third-reich-fortune-500-five-popular-brands-nazis-gave-us.html

From Third Reich to Fortune 500: Five Popular Bands the Nazis Gave Us
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:17 PM
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91. IBM and the NAZIs is a scary thought. True, too.
Thanks for the link, Snarkturian Clone. A good laugh if it weren't so true. Here's something else that's scary as hell:



IBM and the Holocaust

The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation


IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

SNIP...

Just as compelling is the human drama of one of our century's greatest minds, IBM founder Thomas Watson, who cooperated with the Nazis for the sake of profit.

Only with IBM's technologic assistance was Hitler able to achieve the staggering numbers of the Holocaust. Edwin Black has now uncovered one of the last great mysteries of Germany's war against the Jews -- how did Hitler get the names?


SOURCE: ...

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/



"How did Hitler get the names?"
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #34
64. Presscot Bush was a sympathizer for the Nazi's and he
made a lot of money off of the war.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #28
38. "Descendants" is typically used in terms of family lineage, not political
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 08:40 AM by Hobarticus
So you won't change a word, after you used a word vaguely...that's a brave stand.

You've have saved yourself a lot of cutting and pasting if you'd have just said " descendants like Bush" in the first place, which is seemingly what you meant, instead of "descendants like children and grandchildren", which is how someone who'd use the word correctly would say it.

Whew, that was close. Because locking up innocent family members of criminals is pretty goddamn fascist.

Klar?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #38
61. I cut and paste so I can better credit those whose work I quote.
That way, should today's NAZI crowd succeed in shutting down the Internet, people would have access to the original sources.

The purpose of the articles and the opinions therein are my own.

Verstehen?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #28
51. I might have opted for "disciples" to avoid confusion.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #51
62. Excellent word. Thank you.
Unlike some on DU, I'm not perfect, I'm always open to a friendly suggestion or edit.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Saying vs. implying
It is very easy to see how some would think you were implying tracking down descendants of Nazis because they are descendants of Nazis because you made no qualifying statement. It is why I placed "hunting them down" in quotes because it was not what you said, but what I inferred by your remarks. However, it does appear you are making assumptions without facts..."Because many of them harbor the same hearts."
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #23
35. Normally, I would apologize. But in this case, you simply weren't clear enough. n/t
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:13 AM
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33. I thought we were going after people who thought like that, not becoming them. (nt)
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #33
39. Odd, isn't it?
How some can so easily embrace the methods of their enemies, if it suits their purpose.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:59 PM
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54. Why their descendants?
People are only responsible for their own crimes.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:35 PM
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63. You are correct. The sins of the father are not necessarily those of the son.
What I thought was clear was descendants in terms of political ideology and governmental policy.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:31 AM
Response to Reply #1
107. My guess is that we need look no farther than
the Bush administration.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
110. How much you want to bet?
That Heim is a Knight of Malta?

They have their own protection network and many are doctors.

The 'Rat Line.'
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:31 PM
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2. Good..I hope this put's fear in the hearts of * and his treasonous,
facists cronies. The world will not give up on hunting down war criminals.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:37 PM
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6. Good point! If we can find someone who
can claim we have war criminals on our hands, they could and would be hunted ruthlessly. I'd love to see that.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:34 PM
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4. Prescott Bush help fund animals like this!
God I hate this bunch!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:02 PM
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19. The Bush family is still naming their children after Prescott Bush. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:37 PM
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5. capture the man's sons and daughters and hold them until he turns himself in
Alois Brunner may still be on the loose too.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:52 PM
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16. have they committed a crime?
Watch them like hawks to find where he is.. but if they shouldn't be held for their father's crimes.
No matter how horrendous those crimes were.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #5
27. Hey, too bad the Gestapo didn't think of that tactic...
Oh wait, they did. Never mind.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
85. Holy Crap - I hope you are kidding. Although...the CIA has been
using this tactic to capture suspected terrorists - I think it is very, very wrong.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:37 PM
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7. Who are the other 9? Most of these criminals are about 80 years old now. nt
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pegleg Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:48 PM
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13. probably at least in their 90's
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. From the article...here's 4 more...rounding out the top five.
According to an advance copy of the list obtained by the AP, the most wanted, after Heim, are: John Demjanjuk, fighting deportation from the U.S., which says he was a guard at several death and forced labor camps; Sandor Kepiro, a Hungarian accused of involvement in the wartime killings of than 1,000 civilians in Serbia; Milivoj Asner, a wartime Croatian police chief now living in Austria and suspected of an active role in deporting hundreds of Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies to their death; and Soeren Kam, a former member of the SS wanted by Denmark for the assassination of a journalist in 1943. His extradition from Germany was blocked in 2007 by a Bavarian court that found insufficient evidence for murder charges.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:28 PM
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67. if they were already dr.s in ww2, they'd probably have to be in their 90's.
my father-in-law just died at 85, and he was a radioman in ww2- just a kid, though.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:39 PM
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8. interesting you should post this
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 09:39 PM by shanti
i'm now watching a national geographic special called "nazi scrapbooks from hell". damn these monsters. :grr:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:13 AM
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42. That was a very interesting show wasn't it?
Really fascinating juxtapositioning of the two albums...

On an exchnage trip as a kid in England I stayed in Germany with a very nice family. The father had been a guard at Auschwitz....he had the most haunted eyes I have ever seen...
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:42 PM
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11. Give it up. Time to let go and let them die of old age.
And, yes, a large part of my mother's family died in the Holocaust.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. It is **never** to late for justice!
Justice, especially in cases such as this, should never be denied.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
86. I agree but we should be equally as vigilant to bring about justice
for the thousands of Iraqis slaughtered at the hands of Bush and Cheney.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #14
108. I agree.
And with this stance, the Bushistas should be hunted until the last one is accounted for.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:04 PM
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21. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Traction311 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #11
66. Agreed
I'm sure they all regret it by now or were just following orders anyway. Only the top, top Nazis should still be prosecuted, if there are any left.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:00 PM
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17. "Most Wanted" as McCain's running-mate? n/t
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 10:00 PM by IanDB1
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:00 PM
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18. If he was a doctor in 1941 he would be well into his 90s
I think some people have made this a business and don't want to let their careers go.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:06 PM
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22. And thank G-d for that!
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:22 PM
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24. When is it going to stop? 2045? A hundred years after the war?
Probably not even then. Someone will still being saying they could still be alive. And someone will still be making money off of it.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:49 PM
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29. It will stop when all are brought to justice or have died.
"When is it going to stop? 2045? A hundred years after the war?" What an absurd remark, but not nearly as absurd as "Someone will still being saying they could still be alive. And someone will still be making money off of it."
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Traction311 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:29 PM
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68. How come you don't hear about prosecuting the top men in Stalin's government?
Why the double standard? Afterall, he did kill even more than Hitler.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:37 PM
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69. I don't know. Why don't you investigate that.
I am sure they would take on a Stalin lackey, if found. Did Stalin kill more Jews than Hitler? I was not aware of that fact. Were Stalins progroms as systematic in the killing of Jews or just expelling them and limiting freedom?
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Traction311 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:00 AM
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71. No, but the total number of people killed was quite higher
Why does it sound like you only care about Jewish deaths? Were the ones Stalin killed no big deal because mose were not Jewish?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:41 AM
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72. I know the total number is higher.
Why do you not understand you are in a thread about the Holocaust and about Nazis being hunted down by those who were their victims? Do you not care about the atrocities they suffered? Perhaps there are those who do spend their time hunting down the monsters of the Stalin regime, my guess is they would be Russians and a few other nationalities of the former Soviet Empire. As I said, why don't you look into it.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:19 AM
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79. Because history is written by the winners.
Nazi archives fell into our hands intact, but Stalin's didn't. We know the full extent of Nazi crimes, but not Stalin's.

Unless our enemies can march into Washington and seize our government records, no one will know America's, either.

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:22 PM
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84. Possibly because with the various purges and the subsequent political changes in the Soviet Union..
Edited on Fri May-02-08 04:23 PM by LeftishBrit
most top people in Stalin's government either killed each other off (often literally) in party infighting, or were disgraced or worse during the de-Stalinization period. Moreover, it was much harder to escape from the Soviet Union until its collapse than from postwar Germany. So I doubt that many Stalinist henchmen are still around. But if there are any, I hope they get brought to justice.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:32 PM
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74. I see you didn't answer the question. Figures.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:19 PM
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76. See you can't read. No big surprise,
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:56 AM
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77. So it will be going on in 2045 and probably 2145. They might still be alive.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:15 AM
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78. "It will stop when all are brought to justice or have died."
Is that statement really so difficult to comprehend?

Your statement shows how fucking absurd your comments have become. "They might still be alive." In 2045? Sure, always a possibility, if they were running death camps at the age of 1 (making them 101) Though, there is always the possibility of those of 15yo - 25yo (115yo and 125yo, respectively) being alive. In 2145? You know many 200yo or greater people? :eyes:
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:49 PM
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80. So when is the year?
They will never all be "brought to justice" so that is out. When will it be announced they all have died?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:50 PM
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89. Might I suggest a psychic reader.
When will the Earth end? When will first contact be made, if possible? When will you ask a question that doesn't border on the asinine?
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:31 PM
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92. When will you give a simple nonevasive answer?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 04:32 PM by bamalib
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:10 AM
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94. Will you ask a non-absurd question?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:42 AM
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103. And beyond their lives, when the whole truth is out
Their victims deserve that, at the least.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:54 PM
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31. What a sick bastard!
Every time I believe I have heard about the worst things those psychos did,I read something like

that and it reminds me that when it comes to make peoples suffer,human imagination is infinite.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:09 AM
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32. So what if they catch him?
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:10 AM by bitchkitty
The filthy bastard has obviously lived a long, full life. He's 93, for God's sake - what are they going to do, give him life? He should have been caught and tried years ago. Instead he's been alive and well, living in sunny South America.

It makes me sick that someone altered his file. I think we all know where to lay the blame for that.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:10 AM
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36. Now We Have a New Generation of War Criminals To Chase
Don't let this bunch get away like the Nazis did.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:56 AM
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41. Oy...in 10 years, will this shit be done with?
20 years?

What's a reasonable time to assume all these people are dead? Still 30 more years of this shit?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:15 AM
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43. "this shit"? Are you fucking kidding me? Every single one of those rats bastards must be hunted down
...and brought to justice...every single last murdering one of them...
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:38 AM
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44. Absolutely
Just because they're old men now doesn't mean they don't deserve to get the full weight of justice and/or karma slammed on their chests. The amount of people on this thread who seem to think it's just time to let bygones be bygones is astounding. Even if they're dead, we should still investigate their crimes. I'd like to catch them alive, but if that can't be done, then never let them rest in peace. It's never over until there is a full accounting of their crimes.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:32 AM
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50. Because their crimes aren't particularly well documented or researched?
Is there some huge lack in documentation, knowledge, and research on these issues?

Listen, I never said we should let bygones be bygones. I said I can't wait until they're all dead. Obviously, if one of these guys gets tracked down, he should be prosecuted. Still, I long for a time when tracking them down is no longer an issue.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:03 PM
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55. Although I'd like to think that in 10 years times such people will all be dead...
sadly neo-Nazis are a problem in many parts of Europe - and indeed elsewhere. I fear that we will have to be vigilant against such people for a long time.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:23 PM
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56. Separate issue
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:30 AM
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49. Oh yes oh yes oh yes
Still, I'm counting down the years until we can assume them all dead and gone, and turn those social resources to other thing.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:35 AM
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95. Self delete
Edited on Mon May-05-08 07:36 AM by LanternWaste
Self delete
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:57 AM
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96. Quelle dommage
...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:43 AM
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104. What shit would that be? nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:40 AM
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45. Have they tried looking for him in America?
"But while Wasicky was brought to trial by an American Military Tribunal in 1946 and sentenced to death, along with other camp medical personnel and commanders, Heim, who was a POW in American custody, was not among them.

Heim's file in the Berlin Document Center, the then-U.S.-run depot for Nazi-era papers, was apparently altered to obliterate any mention of Mauthausen, according to his 1979 German indictment, obtained by the AP. Instead, for the period he was known to be at the concentration camp, he was listed as having a different SS assignment.

This "cannot be correct," the indictment says. "It is possible that through data manipulation the short assignment at the same time to the (concentration camp) was concealed.


Austrian authorities sent the 1950 arrest warrant to American authorities in Germany who initially agreed to turn him over, then told the Austrians, in a Dec. 21, 1950 letter obtained by the AP, that they couldn't trace him. "

Seems likely.




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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:47 AM
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99. The U.S. gathered up and protected quite a few of these sociopaths.
So did the Soviet Union.

For the national defense, of course...
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T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:10 AM
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46. bush is a nazi in his prime go after him too
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:25 AM
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47. Is the Pope on the list?
Bill Maher calling.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:20 PM
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52. and we have more than 10 Neo cons
who are still committing crimes who have not paided for their criminal acts when do they pay??
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fbahrami Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:43 PM
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53. "and the sad thing is, records are meant to be broken"
Woody Allen in "Deconstructing Harry", when reminded that "six million of us were slaughtered".

Sad.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:27 PM
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57. The stuff of nightmares (n.t.)
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:38 PM
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70. The stuff of nightmares...
...is the fact that some think it should be dismissed, given up, or ignored because it was "so long ago."
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:26 PM
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100. If you want to waste your life pretending you are doing something useful.
Go for it. I prefer to go after today's criminals.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:16 PM
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101. Criminals are criminals. Perhaps that **fact** has escaped you. n/t
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:27 PM
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105. I am sure there are some from WW I around.
Don't let them get away with anything!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:58 AM
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106. If they are still about, they should be prosecuted.
Thankfully, there are those interested in justice and believe the limitation on prosecution on murder does not end until the murder dies. I am sure they would love your "free pass" though.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:39 PM
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109. About the Spanish-American War?
There were massacres in the Philippines. I want to see if there is any limit to your jihad.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:19 PM
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111. If they are still about, they should be prosecuted.
How is it the very simple concept of justice is lost on you? So, someone murders your family, friend, child, and is found 60 years later, you would just give them a pass?
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:52 AM
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113. I wouldn't be spending my time and resources looking for them 60 years later.
People with a jihad mentality are all alike world wide. You have proved that.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:56 PM
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58. I hope they find him and he spends the last few years of his miserable life in jail
What a horrible, rotten man. I would wish him pain and suffering and misery after misery for the final years of his life but I don't need the negative karma at the moment
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:53 AM
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73. And people wonder why I support killing neo-Nazis without trial.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:07 AM by seawolf
Anyone who puts on the Nazi swastika now -- thereby willingly supporting and condoning atrocities like the ones this so-called man committed -- has made themselves an enemy of humanity as a whole. If there's a situation where you can put them down on the spot and get away with it, seriously consider doing so.

If this bastard's still alive, he needs to be tracked down. Preferably seized, tried, and hanged, but I'd settle for an extrajudicial execution.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:45 PM
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75. Duck Prince Harry!!!
The Seawolf is coming after you!!!!!
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:35 PM
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87. LOL nt
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:41 AM
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98. Wow. That's not very liberal.
"Yeah, man! Fuck due process!"

A human life is a human life.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:07 PM
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83. They're probably all dead.
Dead people are sometimes hard to find.
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Bush_MUST_Go Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:02 PM
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90. Maybe Rep. Tony Zirkle knows where they are.....
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:49 PM
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93. Check Dick Cheney's undisclosed location
I'm sure he and Dr. Lotter would have loads of laughs together.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:59 PM
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112. Good, chase them till they are all dead - nt
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