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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:36 PM
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Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
By Con Coughlin
(Filed: 25/01/2004)


David Kay, the former head of the coalition's hunt for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, yesterday claimed that part of Saddam Hussein's secret weapons programme was hidden in Syria.


In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Dr Kay, who last week resigned as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said that he had uncovered evidence that unspecified materials had been moved to Syria shortly before last year's war to overthrow Saddam.

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The rest -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/25/wirq25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/25/ixnewstop.html

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Oh man, my head hurts from all the spinning.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:39 PM
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1. Uh Oh, next stop
Damascus.
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:40 PM
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2. Isn't the Telegraph a RW rag?
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 10:40 PM by Mikimouse
It seems to me that I have heard that stated here. As such it carries no credibility with me. Let's see what the Guardian has to say about this.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:42 PM
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4. Look at the author's name - Con Coughlin
Remember him? Enough said.
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:44 PM
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8. But the right will pounce on this
I posted this as a "heads up". The neocons are on the defensive and grasping at anything they can.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:42 PM
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3. No hyperbole intended...Kay is nuts
He also said the reason they didn't find WMD in Iraq is that there weren't any there since the early 90's.

You'd think this guy was a Washingtonh insider the way he has himself represented in each possibility.

So how many million did Kay make off this little part time job?
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Liberal_Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:43 PM
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5. Other Parts Of Saddam's WMD Programs...
are hidden in the land of Oz, in Never Never Land, and in secret caves on the planet Bajor.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:40 AM
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22. LOL....... no, they are hidden on MARS..
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:49 AM
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24. There MUST be a pony!
Just look at all those piles of horse-shit! GOTTA be a pony in there!
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DarkSim Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:16 AM
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32. Guarded by man eating rabbits (like in "the holy grail")
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:25 AM
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35. Hunney of Mass Distruction in the Hundred Acre Wood...
Sorry, kids are watching Pooh Bear right now.

Sid
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:43 PM
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6. Ruh Roh
We all know Syria's next; gotta have a reason.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:43 PM
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7. HERE IT IS!!!
Time for the next war!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:46 PM
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9. Let the games begin - drum roll please
According to the article;

" "We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."

Dr Kay's comments will intensify pressure on President Bashar Assad to clarify the extent of his co-operation with Saddam's regime and details of Syria's WMD programme. Mr Assad has said that Syria was entitled to defend itself by acquiring its own biological and chemical weapons arsenal."
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:48 PM
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10. Second phase of gas pipeline to be launched next week
Jordanian, Egyptian and Syrian prime ministers are due to meet in Jordan next week to launch the second phase of an inter-regional gas pipeline linking the three countries and Lebanon before reaching Europe.

Energy and Mineral Resources Minister Azmi Khreisat told The Jordan Times that the Lebanese prime minister is also expected to attend the agreement-signing ceremony.

The second phase extends over 370 kilometres from the southern port city of Aqaba to the Rehab Power Plant in the northern part of the Kingdom, he said.

Khreisat estimated the cost at around $270 million indicating that the work will be carried out by an Egyptian consortium, grouping Egypt Holding Gas Company, GASCO, Petrojet and Emppi. The consortium won a tender last year to extend the second phase of the gas pipeline.

http://www.syrialive.net/financial/2004/012404Second%20phase%20of%20gas%20pipeline%20to%20be%20launched%20next%20week.htm

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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:53 AM
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39. You don't miss a thing!
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cosmicaug Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:54 PM
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11. What a clown!
David Kay is also one of the guys who stood behind the aluminum (Aluminium for folk on the other side of the pond) tubes. Kay is also the guy who said that there was no really good explanation for the two mobile hydrogen generating units than the production of biological or chemical warfare agents.

He's always good for a laugh, that David Kay. Too bad it's never meant as a joke.

As for the Daily Telegraph, they seem to be known, as of late (since the whole Gulf War II thing), as the outfit which hasn't yet found a forgery it hasn't seen fit to print.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:55 PM
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12. wisps of fog
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."

In other words...we beat the shit out of some guys and they said something went to Syria..."material", now that narrows it down...and some "components", which could be a copy of 1989 MIT textbook on Nuclear Science for all we know.

You just have to trust us on this one.

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Snappy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:02 PM
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13. Syria
Definetly next. This has been on the planning board for a long time. Conning the American public is ongoing on this; a slow build-up. Right after, "democracy" has been granted to Iraq, the Syrian invasion will be reved up and done.
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JawJaw Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:54 AM
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30. "True Confessions"
and if you beat the shit out of someone for long enough, he's going to tell you whatever you want to hear, to make it stop.

Ain't democracy wonderful?
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:22 PM
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14. Tell me, did they air-lift the WMD factories out too?
You'd need large factories and lab facilities to produce and purify the amount of biological and chemical weapons the US claimed Iraq had before the war. Where are the factories? Where are the laboratories? Those two "mobile weapons labs" couldn't have produced squat! Even if they could be rigged to produce biological or chemical weapons, they were not sealed to prevent contamination (they had TARP sidings; imagine all the dust blowing in). The basic infrastructure needed to produce WMD's isn't even there, so what makes Kay think Iraq could have possessed them?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:43 PM
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15. Add in Cheney's almost incomprehensible speech today
and I think that Syria is in for a little bit of "Tomahawk Diplomacy". Tomahawk cruise missles, stealth bombers and F-16s with Smart bombs are probably in the rehearsal stage right now.

Kay got his phone call after the first press conference. He's toeing the line now.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:33 AM
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38. You got a link for that quote
these guys are truly nuts and now they are in a hurry cause the heat is on. If they start lobbing bombs at Syria, they are purposely trying to set off WWIII. They know they are about to fall otherwise and they probably think the only way to hold on to their power at this point is to start another war and distract everyone from the mess they've made in Iraq and Afghanistan. Desperate men will do desperate things.

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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:46 PM
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16. i remember when this story first broke
it was before the war... the Mossad said Iraq had already moved its WMD into Syria. I remember several 'that's BS' responses from different western intelligence sources at the time
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 05:55 AM
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28. If that was the case, there would be photographs to prove it...
so all the Mossad or David Kay have to do is produce them.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:01 AM
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17. No...wait! Maybe they're really in Iran!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:08 AM
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29. Would you believe... Venezuela?
How about... Cuba?

Maybe... France!
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:11 AM
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18. These thugs are sooo transparent! n/t
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:18 AM
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19. All right, I confess: Sadaam's WMDs are hidden in my ass
But since there are also no discernible crude oil reserves in my ass, I guess I can rest assured that this administration won't attack me.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:53 AM
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25. ROFLMAO!!! If I'd had my hot tea, I'd have spit it all over my screen.
They'll never get around to searching your ass, though. Their heads are too far up their own.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:25 AM
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20. The Admin is still on the ball on this stuff.
They got to kay within 24 hours. What was it? An IRS audit? Stealing from the Kuwaitis? Health problems for the wife?

The thing is, they can't seem to stop these guys from blurting out their own opinions. Wilson, O'Neill, Diullio, and now Kay.

How long before it is leaked by a "senior administration official" or a "senior intelligence official" that Kay was threatened in some way?
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:26 AM
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21. Syria!! Iran!! Syria!! Iran!!
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 12:28 AM by Confound_W
Syria! Iran! Syria! Iran! Syria! Iran!
Cuuuuuuuba.
Syria! Iran! Syria! Iran! Syria! Iran!
Cuuuuuuuba.

The WMD's are in SYRIA! NO, they're in IRAN!
SyriaIranSyriaIran and on and on and on.

It's like watching a deadly pingball game or a metronome.

Wake me when it's over.

:dem:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:45 AM
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23. On the bright side, the * administration may be losing message control
Sure, they get some backpedaling after-wards, but it seems like more and more members are leaving the ship, with some unflattering stories once they are out.
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:36 AM
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26. Connecting more dots
US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is considering provoking a military confrontation with Syria by attacking Hizbullah bases near the Syrian border in Lebanon, according to the authoritative London-based Jane's Intelligence Digest.

In an article to be published on Friday, the journal said multi-faceted US attacks, which would be conducted within the framework of the global war on terrorism, are likely to focus on Hizbullah bases in the Bekaa Valley of eastern Lebanon.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1074745158639&p=1008596981749
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:45 AM
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27. That evil bastard, hiding his weapons just before he's attacked.
"then they will come and defeat us, ruin our nation, kill our people and possibly myself, and we won't be able to fight back because we'll hide our best weapons far way, and that will give us triumph over the great satan..."

UGH! No one could have imagined such evildoings.

the robertson/fallwell crowd might lap it up, but mainstream America grows weary of bush's bullshit, methinks.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:14 AM
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31. Whoopsy daisy! We invaded the wrong country!!!!!!!
Sorry about that folks. :eyes:
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:57 AM
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33. Hollinger/Conrad Black/Right-Wing rag
Kay was reported to have said

Hollinger just ousted Conrad Black, Murdoch wannabe who has supported the Boy King through the rags he ran. I'd wait till the story is verified or a transcript is available before getting your panties in a knot folks.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:03 AM
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34. Con is a Con
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 09:11 AM by BuckeFushe
Black propaganda – false material where the source is disguised – has been a tool of British intelligence agencies since the days of the war, when the Special Operations Executive got up to all kinds of tricks with clandestine radio stations, to drip pornography and pessimism into the ears of impressionable German soldiers. Post-war, this unwholesome game mutated into the anti-Soviet Information Research Department. Its task was ostensibly to plant anti-communist stories in the press of the third world, but its lurid tales of Marxist drunkenness and corruption sometimes leaked back to confuse the readers of the British media. A colourful example of the way these techniques expand to meet the exigencies of the hour came in the early 1970s, when the readers of the News of the World found before their eyes – and no doubt to their bewilderment – a front page splash, Russian Sub in IRA plot sensation, complete with aerial photograph of a Soviet conning tower awash off the coast of Donegal. That was the work of Hugh Mooney of the IRD, an organisation which was eventually closed down in 1977. Its spirit did not die, however. Nearly 25 years later, readers of the Sunday Telegraph were regaled with a dramatic story about the son of Col Gadafy of Libya and his alleged connection to a currency counterfeiting plan. The story was written by Con Coughlin, the paper’s then chief foreign correspondent, and it was falsely attributed to a “British banking official”. In fact, it had been given to him by officers of MI6, who, it transpired, had been supplying Coughlin with material for years.

http://www.bjr.org.uk/data/2000/no2_leigh.htm

Decide for yourself is a newspaper that publishes disinformation is creditable.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:31 AM
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36. I have one question only for David Kay
Where did you loose you professionalism?
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:32 AM
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37. so when we invade syria, exactly what will we be looking for?
in other words, what is a "programme?"

is it documents?

is it ideas?


in any event, it all sounds so very threatening i hope mr. bush will do the right thing and attack now before the saddam-sponsored terrorists can once again inflict harm on the usa.

:freak:
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JoblessRecovery Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:11 AM
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40. Sure they are
And we will be in imminent danger just before the elections. Then the weapons programs will be moved to Iran, and then ....
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