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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:56 AM
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Eiffel Tower Illuminated in Red to Honor Chinese
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 12:58 AM by kskiska
Stunning!

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-01/25/xinsrc_2701012411382343134118.bmp

PARIS, Jan. 24 (Xinhuanet) -- The Eiffel Tower, one of the great symbols of France, is bathed in scarlet red lights for the first time in its history on Saturday evening and will sparkle red for the next five days in honor of China.

The red color, which symbolizes happiness, joyful festivities and prosperity in the Chinese tradition, is also a color loved by the French people, said Chinese Minister of Culture Sun Jiazheng at the "light-on" ceremony.

The event is part of the French and Chinese governmental initiative to promote bilateral cultural exchanges, which "marks the entry into a new phase of the partnership between our two nations," said Sun.

more pictures…http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-01/25/content_1288014.htm
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:10 AM
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1. Sensational
The Eiffel Tower is already impressive, but now, bathed in red, it's absolutely fabulous. Thank you for posting the pictures. Wish I was in Paris now.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:26 AM
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2. France leads by example in demonstrating good foreign diplomacy
In the states, the rightwing whackos would be demonstrating in front of the Chinese Embassy, yelling "Commies go home!"
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:43 PM
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28. Yeah, whoring out your national landmarks is always diplomatic
The French, who helped us win our freedom, should be turning over in their graves.

Lafayette, we are whores.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:25 AM
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32. Empire State Building doing the same thing
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:57 AM
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34. Not even close to similar
The Eiffel Tower is THE symbol of France. America has several -- Washington Monument, Statue of Liberty, etc.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:05 AM
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3. China is a hard one for right wingers to figure out
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:05 AM by Democat
When Clinton didn't hate China, the right wingers went crazy. Now that Bush doesn't hate them either, right wingers don't know what to do. Was Clinton right all along or is Bush wrong now?
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:32 AM
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4. I wonder if they blame Nixon?
Maybe he should have left it alone?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:53 AM
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7. Actually some...
do. I understand why...and I don't really view it as the "great achievement" everyone claims it is. It was simply one more part of Kissinger's cold realpolitics. Nixon and Kissinger were scum and I have no reason to heap praise on a few policy initiatives whether they seemingly led to good consequenses or not.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:46 AM
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6. Which is not to say the Parisians won't protest China. They will.
but on the basis of the human condition, not on some broad reactionary notion of red-baiting, which is so imbedded in US culture.
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:57 AM
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10. I think to the Cons it's OK...
... if you "DO BUSINESS" with the Chinese but it's suspect if you LIKE, RESPECT or - God help us - try to UNDERSTAND anything about them.

BTW I like the way that Chinese New Year is becoming more and more of an "event" in the UK these days.

The Skin

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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:15 AM
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30. I'd just like to point out that it's not only China that celebrates
New Year at this time. Korea, Vietnam and several other Asian countries also celebrate Lunar New Year.


Just my effort at bringing insane PCness to the world... ;)
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:51 AM
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5. Chinese tourist destinations #1-#2 are France and then Spain.
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:57 AM by dArKeR
France is for sure #1, I might have #2 wrong. Isn't it amazing what can happen when the world respects your country.

Why don't they come to the USA?
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:55 AM
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8. I'd be interested in seeing the tourist stats for the US these days
esp. for Florida.

On CNNI, tourism is promoted on most commercials. The country with the most enticing media blurb is Egypt's "Riviera," the Red Sea. Friends have gone there and loved it. Malaysia is also well promoted. No mention of the U.S. that I can recall.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:34 AM
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9. We're going to Florida in April...
Disneyworld with the kids, but I've got mixxed feelings. It's a gift from the Grandparents to our kids, not something I would have chosen to do on my own.

Then again, it's like -30C right now, and warm weather and sunshine is looking awfully nice :)

Sid
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komplex Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:41 PM
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27. Despite the Xenophobia of the Bush Admin
The b*tch-slapping the dollar has been getting from the Euro has been encouraging the British to take Shopping Trips to the United States.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:50 PM
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11. It's so beautiful!
:-)

I collect eiffel towers, never seen it looks so pretty at night!
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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:05 PM
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12. France. Red. China.
Is this a sign that perhaps France may be starting to embrace the ultimate leftward border...Communism? Will most of the citizens of France agree with this leaning if true?

Can anyone from France here comment?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:09 PM
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:13 PM
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14. see, what the Freepers don't understand
is that the concept of communism works very, very well for small, closed communities in which all members share the work and the rewards.

However, it becaomes inherently faulty when applied on the scale of an entire nation. A small town of hundreds of people could easily and successfully embrace communism; a large nation of millions cannot hope to succeed in doing so.

No, I'm no communist; I merely recognize some ways in which it can be successfully implemented.
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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:15 PM
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15. Oh please.
I'm medium left and asked a polite question. Your "freeper" charges are out of line in my opinion. Can you just answer the question without the freeper baggage. I am not a "freeper" and would like you to retract that knee-jerk response.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:20 PM
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17. fair enough

but you haven't denied being a France basher

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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:34 PM
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18. Thanks and I am NOT a France basher
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 01:34 PM by LostInTheMaise
I agree with their mild left culture and only wanted to get a feel for how her citizens greet the embrace of China.

I work with several professional people in France on a weekly basis and depend on good relations in our high tech contracts.

Sorry for the confusion but I am open to most all countries and whatever their people desire.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:35 PM
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19. then you must know the answer to your question
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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:44 PM
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21. Somewhat
Two out of three French I work with are angstful with some of the social direction that has transpired. I don't consider a sample of twelve to mean a whole lot and that is why I asked here.

If my question was out of line then please tell me now so I can delete it before the timer expires.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:58 PM
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23. I never said you were a 'freeper'
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:59 PM by kgfnally
nor did I imply you were. My post was regarding how so many of them just don't get it. I never said you didn't. I never even referred to you, personally.

I will not retract something I never said. That was your insinuation. Now, take a deep breath and move on, before you make a further fool out of yourself.
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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 05:39 PM
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24. apology accepted
Everytime I see the word "freeper" I cringe. My whole point in this thread was innocent and have now learned to not ask questions.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:34 PM
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22. U.S.A. = Red, White, Blue
Maybe we should remove the red from the U.S. flag?
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:57 PM
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25. Which would be really odd, because China is starting to embrace capitalism
Private businesses are booming, trade with the rest of the world is rapidly creating an affuent Chinese middle class, and the Chinese courts recently recognized the right of Chinese citizens to own private property. I doubt China will still resemble anything like a true Communist society 20 yrs from now, and would also seriously doubt France would convert to communism.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:34 PM
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26. We had better hope that their brand
of capitalism is more benign than ours, otherwise the world will be in deep yogurt. IMO, China is the next world power and with a billion people I hope they can arrive on a political and environmental philosophy that is more friendly than the model that the U.S. has created.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:46 PM
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29. It's not
Slave labor -- worse than anything we've seen in decades. And then there are the tanks that squash opposition thought.

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:35 AM
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33. Environmental philosophy from China? Sadly, I doubt it
Their massive reliance on coal to generate power, and the resulting smog, CO2 and toxic coal ash generated. Their ever-increasing amounts of oil imported to fuel more cars as the Chinese embrace American culture. Their creation of the Three Gorges Dam that's destroying millions of acres of rare wildlife habitat. No, it looks like China is on the fast track to emulate the US (unfortunately).
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:16 PM
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16. Actually, Red isn't just for Communists in China...
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 01:18 PM by Kanzeon
It's a color traditionally associated with celebration, good fortune, and honor (whereas blue, for example, is traditionally associated with death.) That's why in Chinatown the NY Times newspaperboxes aren't blue, they're red.

But I'm sure that the right-wing wackos would spin this into commie-loving anyway.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:22 AM
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31. Red can also represent the blood spilled from the Genocide of 1.6 million
Tibetans thru murder forced labor death camps, starvation and destruction of housing in winter... since the Chinese invasion of Tibet in 1959..
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:38 PM
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20. China may, in the near future,
surpass the US as the world's economic superpower, but we'll be too busy fighting our neocon vendetta wars to see it coming.
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