Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

U.S. to Start Airline Background Checks

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:35 PM
Original message
U.S. to Start Airline Background Checks
U.S. to Start Airline Background Checks


http://transportationsec.com/ar/security_dhs_prepares_implement /

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HUTCHINSON_INTERVIEW?SITE=F...

U.S. to Start Airline Background Checks
By LESLIE MILLER Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Homeland Security officials say a government plan to check all airline passengers' backgrounds before they board a plane could be implemented by this summer.

It's such an urgent priority that the government will order airlines to provide background information on their customers to test the program, Homeland Security Undersecretary Asa Hutchinson said Monday.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Hutchinson said he wants to begin testing this spring. His spokesman, Dennis Murphy, said the plan could be fully operational by summer.<snip>

US-VISIT is in place at 115 airports and a dozen seaports and allows U.S. authorities to check people instantly against terrorist watch lists and a national criminal database.

It's CAPPS II that has been criticized by privacy advocates, who contend it infringes on civil liberties and might wrongly label people as security threats.<snip>

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/27/official_wants_a... /

Official wants airline plan tested this spring
1/27/2004

The government will order airlines to provide background information on passengers for a new security system that aims to keep dangerous people off planes, said Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary of homeland security, yesterday. In an interview with The Associated Press, Hutchinson said he wants to begin testing the system this spring.

The U.S. VISIT program went into operation Monday, with foreign visitors to the United States being fingerprinted and photographed upon entering the country. Ray Suarez gets two perspectives on the new antiterrorism program's feasibility<snip>



From Homeland Security handout: US-VISIT ... should be in place at airports and seaports by Dec. 31. US-VISIT uses scanning equipment to collect biometric identifiers -- such as fingerprints -- in an inkless process, along with a digital photograph of the visitor. Together with the standard information gathered from a visitor about their identity and travel, the new program will verify the visitor's identity and compliance with visa and immigration policies.




And from NPR video transcript on US Visit:

Secondly if we are going to put this entire huge data collection system into place, it has to be adequately funded so it can be done in a fair and efficient manner, in a way that doesn't harm our economic security interests, in a way that doesn't drive visitors and students and those coming to our country to do business away from us. That would be a harmful and unintended consequence. Congress only appropriated $378 million for the startup of this program. Experts estimate that it's going to take $20 billion to put it into effect in the comprehensive way that is contemplated. Are we prepared to pay that cost? And again the question comes back to what benefit? Is it really making us more secure or is it merely assembling a huge database of information that doesn't really tell us much of anything?




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
1. didn't they say the 19 9/11 hijackers used fake names?
thus rendering this Big Brother bullshit totally ineffective?

How much you want to BET that my sorry librul white ass will be flagged as a 'yellow' risk, on a scale from green-yellow-red?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. $20 Billion to note the shape of your nose - great use of money!
It would be funny - if it was not so 1984 - BIG BROTHER - BIG GOV that the GOP has always said they were against!

:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:17 PM
Response to Original message
3. so if we want the freedom to travel and move about at will
we have to let the govt know who and where we are. i

no thank you. i stopped flying when they tacked on the airport tax to upgrade "security." then they hired a bunch of people who cant' get a job at mcdonald's to pat you down.

the only reason terrorists haven't blown up more planes is because they haven't wanted to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:23 PM
Response to Original message
4. each passenger to be given 1 of 3 color-coded ratings
"Suspected terrorists or violent criminals would be designated "red" and forbidden to fly. Passengers who raised questions would be classified "yellow" and would receive extra security screening. Most would be "green" and simply go through routine screening."

Sieg Heil.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=news&start=0&num=1&q=http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml%3FarticleID%3D17501480

hells bells, just let us know now what our color currently is so that we can avoid missing funerals, and general overall humiliation ... the abuse our country puts its own citizens through ...

I bet Katherine Harris doesn't have to worry about a thing ... and, she's a traitor to the USA, and should be, at a minimum, in prison.

The Acxioms, DBTs, ChoicePoints, et al, should make everything available for our approval and perusal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I tell you, I am very interested in what happens next time I fly
which will presumably be in the late spring... I just KNOW they will tag me as yellow, I can just feel it...

if they have so much info on "Suspected terrorists or violent criminals", then why are they getting to the airport in the first place? Why not just, I dunno, ARREST THEM NOW?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:45 PM
Response to Original message
6. "Papers please"
(said in German accent)

The Motto of Imperial Amerika, 2050 (pity the poor bastards who have to live there).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:46 PM
Response to Original message
7. All airline passengers?
Even if I am flying from Chicago to Kansas City?

Sounds like Homeland Security is more worried about the American people
than terrorists.

First they will prevent you from working. Then they will prevent you from flying. Then they will prevent you from driving. Then they will sned you away.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. how long before the roadblocks appear?
for "national security", of course!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 04:46 PM
Response to Original message
9. None of the links are working...
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 04:48 PM by Angel_O_Peace
...and the first link goes back to a story from Nov. 2003

Anyone have working links to this story?
Thx

on edit:

Found this ABC News link with same story:
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040127_173.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 04:46 PM
Response to Original message
10. Thank you
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 04:47 PM by HFishbine
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DevilsAdvocate2 Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 04:59 PM
Response to Original message
11. I can't help but think...
"The government will order airlines (gun dealers) to provide background information on passengers (gun buyers) for a new security system that aims to keep dangerous people off planes (from owning guns)..."

Replace the words and they sound quite similar
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. trivial pursuit and arrest
"suspected pot smokers" - Using cash machine withdrawls and average spending habits, those who leak an extra fify here and need to get cash sooner could be marked as using cash for illegal ends.
"suspected income tax fudge'rs" - IRS generates random list (1/3 of all americans fudge their income taxes)
"unregistered cars" - using state automobile records and transfer records
"lapsed car insurance" - Using state insurance records for registered drivers
"child at home without supervision" - Using known guardians of young children who do not have paid contracts with child care companies
"suspected tire-tread depth violators" - using computer records on tyre purchases and milage driven at registration to target bald tyre terrorists
"suspected unregistered pets violators" - using vetrinary records to show animal owners who've not licensed them
"suspected pets not vaccinated violators" - using vet records
"suspected alcoholics" - using DWI records from the past to chain potential drunks to airline seats to keep them from terrorizing the staff

I'm dead fucking serious... this is fucking spooky. This ends my career on american air transit... i hope they all go bankrupt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Frequent Shopper Card
Don't forget those cards you use at the grocery store to get the preferred shopper discounts. Don't use one if you're buying rolling papers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
13. surely this counts for private aircraft as well?
Does the wealthy CEO in his lear jet have to pass the same hurdles?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
14. Interrogations with lie detector goggles...
...may be coming soon. If a question upsets you while answering "no", then you could be falsely accused with no recourse. Details at www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20040116S0050
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 02:41 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC