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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:20 PM
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R. Kelly found not guilty in child-porn case
Source: AP

CHICAGO - A Chicago jury has acquitted R&B superstar R. Kelly on all counts at his child pornography trial.

The verdict came six years after the singer was first charged with appearing on a graphic videotape with a girl prosecutors said was as young as 13 at the time.

Both Kelly and the now 23-year-old alleged victim had denied they were on the tape. Neither testified during the trial.


Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25145335/?GT1=43001
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:22 PM
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1. Pedophile fist bump
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:24 PM
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2. Sad
I hate when scumbags get off.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:30 PM
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6. And you know it's true... how?
I don't particularly give a fuck about R Kelly, but some people seem to assume that if you're accused, then you're automatically guilty.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:57 PM
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10. Because Nancy Grace said so.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 03:00 PM
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12. i`m so going to watch her tonight
and see if she "blows up real good"......
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:00 PM
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24. She's a goddess and always right
:puke: :puke:
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:04 PM
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25. Prosecutors say she was 13
But later in the story they say she is 23 now.

Fuzzy math for prosecution by media.

The goddess is going nuts. "The mega star walks free."
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:44 PM
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35. It is not eyewitness or conversation - its a tape with his mole in the right location - guilty!
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 10:44 PM by papau
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:20 AM
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37. Okay, let's take this one thing at a time.
Point one: if you've personally seen the tape, then you're arguing that you've watched child porn.

Point two: If you haven't seen the tape, then you're making assumptions based on what you've been told it shows.

Point three: the prosecutors couldn't even verify the age of the girl who says it's not her in the tape, variously saying she was 13, 15, or 17. That doesn't speak well for their case.
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np33 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:15 AM
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42. You are aware
that he paid her and her family off his own brother said R approached him about taking the rap for this. Not to mention people in the industry knows this guy is a total scumbag who prays on kids.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:05 AM
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49. so ... therefore we should forget the courts, try him in the media
and chase him down with rocks in hand?

Oh, I do like a good stoning!

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np33 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:13 AM
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41. Not that I would
suggest it but from the people I know who have seen clips of the tape it clearly shows R. Kelly on it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:42 PM
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:25 PM
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3. Already toast in the court of public opinion
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 02:26 PM by Hydra
Look at OJ :evilgrin:
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 06:02 PM
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21. Not in the Black community he's not.....
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 06:03 PM by BronxBoy
Guy's going to make 3 times the money he's making now.

Not justifying, just saying
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:31 PM
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31. Sucky
Where I live, you get that charge, valid or not, and you are branded for life.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:25 PM
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4. unbelievable. he'll always be a pedo in my mind.
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 02:27 PM by iamthebandfanman
i guess his strategy of prolonging this out as long as they could worked.


its him on that tape. even tho he does look a lil different NOW(6-8 years later).

hes a pedophile.

hell, he married a 15 year old.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:32 PM
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7. Uh, as to that marriage, both parties deny it was anything more than tabloid rumor.
FYI.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:08 PM
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30. There was an actual marriage certificate. The local papers published it.
The marriage was later annulled, if I recall.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:17 AM
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36. A tabloid published it, which offers no guarantee of authenticity.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:59 PM
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11. Obama will always be a Muslim in some people's minds....
Despite what the facts say...look, I don't know the "truth". All I can ascertain is that there is very little we can know for sure. But isn't this type of thinking dangerous?

Belief is a greater enemy to Truth than Lies - Nietzsche
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:28 PM
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5. i'm just amazed
well...Robert Blake wasn't convicted either.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:33 PM
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8. wow...6 years
i had forgotten he had been in court all this time...i wonder how many hours his lawyers billed him for this outcome?
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:43 PM
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9. I'm sure he'll make another album
and recover the legal costs and then some.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 03:20 PM
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14. albums? he's way past that and into operettas now
believe it or not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in_the_Closet

he certainly has an obsession with boning some other dude's woman...that's been a running theme in his music dating back to when even I used to listen to him in high school...
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 03:06 PM
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13. break out the doodoo butter!
Golden showers all around! :toast:

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 03:23 PM
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15. Eeww...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiKAdyixU3U

Yeah. It's the R. 40 ounces of mo liquor make me wanna take some if it.


See I roll aroun sittin on dubs cat n I I was high on shrubs. Coolin' in my Escalade, man I'm paid I got it made. Take me to yo special place, close yo eyes show me yo face... I'm gonna piss on it.


Haters wanna hate, lovers wanna love. I don't even want none of the above I want to pee on you. Yes I do I'll piss on you I'll pee on you.


Said yo body, yo body, is a portapody... and a PI Kit. And it knows Karate, knows Karate, knows Karate. I'm a pee on you. Drip, drip, drip pee on you all on you. Piss on you, piss on you. You'll neva feel... quite the same when you get a whiff of my Hershey stains. I wanna poop on you too. I want to pee in yo food. Only thing'll make my life complete when I turn yo face to a toilet seat. I want to pee on you. Yes I do, yes I do I'll pee on you I'll piss on you.


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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 03:27 PM
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16. "I believe I can..."
"...screw a 13-year-old and get away with it."

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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 04:41 PM
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18. Maybe he and OJ and Michael can have dinner with Robert
Blake and talk court procedures.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 04:39 PM
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17. I knew it. I just knew he'd get away with it.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 05:50 PM
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19. Justice delayed is justice denied. It is sad how this nation treats it Black celebrities.
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 05:52 PM by McCamy Taylor
They are found guilty in the court of public opinion and the actual trial becomes a formality. This "I just knew he would get away with it" is the typical reaction from gullible viewers of the MSM narrative that attempts to portray all African-American men as scary .
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 06:14 PM
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23. You do know
That a majority of the Black community thought this guy was guilty.

He has been excoriated by a lot of Black media outlets.

I'm Black and I think he was guilty as hell

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np33 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:17 AM
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43. Dude he
was on tape peeing on a under-age girl
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 05:54 PM
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20. "You like R. Kelly? You want to help R. Kelly?..."
..."Hide his camcorder...Introduce him to some older women!"
- Huey Freeman



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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:20 AM
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39. Vexed, that's the word, vexed.
Huey Rocks!
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 06:04 PM
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22. WOW
Another rich fuck getting off

And He's Black!!!!!!!!!!!

America has truly grown racially

:sarcasm:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:24 PM
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26. The curse of Johnnie Cochran ?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:52 PM
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32. what do you mean?
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:28 PM
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33. just comparing this to the OJ case.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:58 PM
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44. "He's gonna use the Chewbacca defense!"
Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 08:16 PM
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27. You know I said it on the cuba thread. Sex with a 13 year old isn't pedophilia.
It's statuary rape hell maybe even being Pederasty if it's same sex but it isn't pedophilia and the crime is not committed by any pedophiles that exist.

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 08:20 PM
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28. It is an issue of power and control. A 13 year old versus--how much older?
Less experienced in life, more easily led and swayed by someone older and more experienced. Not able to make an informed decision about life.

It would be child rape no matter what gender committed the act.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 08:22 PM
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29. I'm not saying it's right. I think he belongs in jail if guilty.
It just isn't Pedophilia if he is attracted to teenage girls. It's something else.
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YankmeCrankme Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:05 AM
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38. It is if an adult's preferred sexual partner is 13 years old. nt
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:32 AM
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40. The technical term is ephebophile
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia>

Wikipedia says 15-19. Other definitions I heard were post pubescent but young.

Semantic game because underage is underage.
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YankmeCrankme Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:45 PM
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46. I used Miriam-Webster definition of pedophile.
It's really about one's sexual preference and if that is for a child you're a pedophile. Now how one defines child may not be clearly defined.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:19 AM
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47. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation
Pedophilia has absolutely ZERO to do with sexual orientation - and just an FYI "Sexual Preference" is a right wing talking point used to demean GLBT relationships as purely sexual.


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YankmeCrankme Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:14 AM
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50. You're reading things that are there. I didn't say orientation, for one.
And my reference to sexual preference implied age not gender, i.e. they prefer children.
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np33 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:32 AM
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51. Also
its not as though we are talking about an 18 year old hooking up with a 15 year old. R. Kelly is a man who probably has access to all types of grown woman who would probably be willing to indulge Kelly with every kink of his so the possiblity that he choose a girl this young (she would have been 13 at the time) this imo would put him in the category of pedophilia.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:47 PM
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45. I'm surprised.
I suppose that either the man on the tape really isn't Kelly, or the defense team succeeded in creating a reasonable doubt among jurors. Well, either that or the prosecution really bungled handling the case.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:59 AM
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48. OMG, because this is DU...
I instantly thought it referred to Ruth Kelly, a very incompetent, sanctimonious and (unusually for Britain) religious-right, British New Labour Cabinet Minister!!! And I was thinking, "I didn't know she was on trial!"

How sad is that?

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