Nader: Obama talking white.

[Dr.Phool]

Source: Rocky Mountain News (found via TPM)

Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader accused Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic Party nominee, of downplaying poverty issues, trying to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" during his run for the White House.

(snip)

Nader was asked if Obama is any different than Democrats he has criticized in the past, considering Obama's pledge to reject campaign contributions from registered lobbyists.

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."

The Obama campaign had only a brief response, calling the remarks disappointing.

Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to "talk white," Nader said: "Of course."

(snip) more stupidity

Read more: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/

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And this ass clown plans on showing up at the Dem Convention in Denver. I guess the best we can hope for is that he gets tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, tasered, arrested and committed.

But, I can only dream.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

1. NADER IS IMMATURE

GET HIM A GIRL FRIEND:eyes: :think: :crazy: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

[Dr.Phool]

13. He's got one.

Joan Claybrook, of the Carter NHTSA infamy has been his sweetie for years.

[polmaven]

18. Now THERE is

an understatement! Good Lord....He's trying to "talk white"? White is a language?

Methinks Nader is talking "loon"!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

71. Nader is a nuisance and he is for himself only

[polmaven]

76. Nader is much more that a nuisance!

Nader is like a wad of gum we all stepped in, and now we cannot get him off of our shoes!

[customerserviceguy]

87. He's something we stepped in, alright

but I don't think it was gum...

[polmaven]

93. You're probably right,

I guess I was just trying to be polite...I was typing that while I was at work.

[The Magistrate]

2. The Wretch Is Becoming A Caricature Of Himself, Doctor

And a racist pig to boot....

"What a nimrod! What a ultra-maroon!"

[slampoet]

3. "Obama talking White" , sez the white talking Arab.

Two can play at that game.

[pattmarty]

31. "White talking Arab", tch, tch, tch, your racism is showing.

[slampoet]

49. Unlike most people I am willing to call a racist a HONKEY to his face.

[Triana]

4. Nader: Race-baiting asshat. n/t

[earthlover]

25. Is Nader ....er....WHITE? How does he talk?

Sorry, Ralph, but assigning races to issues smacks of racism to me.

[Triana]

37. Nader: Race-baiting asshat HYPOCRITE! n/t

[bdamomma]

5. that comment is rather sick isn't it?

rather immature too.

[liberal N proud]

6. Isn't there enough racism in the nation already

Without this moron creating more?

[bowens43]

7. Once again Nader proves that he's a blubbering idiot. nt

[tridim]

8. Fuck you Nader.

[sharp_stick]

9. And everyone knows that Nader is a gang sta from da hood

fuck Nader and all the shit that follows him wherever he goes.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

10. He's just another Pat Buchanan

I keep thinking they're both dead, and they keep showing up at the worst times.

[Bush_MUST_Go]

15. And Nader's "talking idiot"... the official language of neocons.

[pattmarty]

32. Do you REALLY know what a Neocon is????????

[Tangerine LaBamba]

63. Who said anything about

"neocons"?

You're confused, aren't you?

[defendandprotect]

59. Yeah, like when Buchanan took 3,000+ of the "butterfly ballots" . . . and Bush won by 527 votes????

[Orrex]

11. Nader suffers delusions of relevance

How, oh how can we help him overcome his long-running madness?

[defendandprotect]

60. Maybe deny that 300,000 Democrats in Florida voted for Bush . . . ????

And Bush won by 527 votes --- ???

Work on that one ---

[Trajan]

103. That makes it damned close, eh ?

Too bad Nader didnt drop out .... Bush would not have had the chance to fuck up our world so bad ....

But no .... We should blame the Democrats, and praise Nader ......

Hell ... While we are at it: Let's praise the Republicans for fooling 300,000 Democrats ..... It would only follow: If Nader was supercool taking 90,000, then the GOP were ULTRAcool to take 300,000 ....

Right ????

:sarcasm:

[rocktivity]

12. Rocknation: Nader talking treason.

:mad:
rocknation

[Fenris]

14. He should speak in Ebonics or perhaps just rap during debates?

Oy. The idea that someone should speak a certain way because of their race is just weird. "I want to trust him, but he just sounds so...so....white." Barack has two voices - the "I'm talking to the media or on the Senate floor" voice and the preacher's cadence he uses during rallies. I'm not sure how a black person is "supposed" to sound, but I also don't spend a lot of time thinking about it.

[GOPNotForMe]

16. GOD What a stupid f***! He hast lost his marbles for sure this time. nt

[UTUSN]

17. NADIR is talking CRAP!1 And there's no "this time" new about it!1 n/t

[9thkvius]

19. One of the things I don't get about Nader

is that he is always talking about how we need more political parties (I agree wholeheartedly) and yet doesn't really seem to do anything about it. His presidential bids seem to have been more about him personally than about creating any kind of really viable third party. Even Ross Perot made a huge effort to turn the Reform party into a real political party. I thought that Nader would try to do the same with the Green party, but then after running on the Green ticket a couple of times he started running as an independent, which is how he will be running this time, if I am not mistaken. So if the viable third party thing is really so important to him, why the hell isn't he trying to do more about it? Why doesn't he try to do some sort of 50 state grassroots organizational effort to launch a third party? It just seems like a more constructive way for him to accomplish his long-term goals than continually running some sort of half-assed presidential campaign every four years for a couple of decades.

[defendandprotect]

62. Your history is a little distorted . . . After 2000 and the Democratic charges

that it was NADER who destroyed the election for Gore . . .

The Green Party became very nervous and didn't want Nader to run on their ticket

again in 2004. They rejected Nader.

In order to understand what actually happened in Florida --- you have to understand
that Gore actually won according to every count by the press ---

AND, that 300,000 Democrats in Florida voted for Bush ---
that Buchanan took 3,000 "butterfly ballot" votes from Gore ---

and that other third party candidates --- LIBERTARIANS, etal -- took more votes than
Bush "won by" -- i.e., 527 votes ---

and figure out that the Democrats were looking for a scapegoat ---

They fear Nader and his truths --- that why they attack him.

Meanwhile, who's lying to you --- Nader or the Dems?

hmmm.....

[adnelson60087]

20. Nader is very clear by what he means by "talking black"

and it has nothing to do with rapping or ebonics as some above believe. Here is the next part of the article


___________________________________________

Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to "talk white," Nader said: "Of course.

"I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law," Nader said. "Haven't heard a thing."


_____________________________________________

I'm not a huge Nader fan and I think his time has come and gone, but he does make a point. I would like to see him address more poverty issues and predatory lending concerns etc. John Edwards was my first choice, and I'll vote for Obama, but we have to admit when our guy has flaws or issues he is not promoting openly.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. Bullshit.

first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be

Who the fuck is Nader to tell a black American politician what he should "be" when he runs for President?

Second of all, what does talking about poverty have to do with being white? John Edwards talked about poverty. Does that make John Edwards a "black" candidate? This is so much nonsense.

[Virginia Dare]

27. Does he have to make his point in a race-baiting fashion?

Nader has lost all credibility, and he's now part of the problem. His good points are empty words now as far as I'm concerned.

[adnelson60087]

29. What exactly does "race-baiting" mean?

I'm not sure what this phrase means, but I've heard it used a lot this political season. Can you explain please?

[nomorenomore08]

43. Trying to inflame people's prejudices, whether it's the majority against a minority or vice versa.

The phrase does get thrown around a lot, but in some cases (e.g. Bill Clinton's "Jesse Jackson" comments in South Carolina) I think it's justified.

[defendandprotect]

65. Most of all, Nader is trying to get voters to THINK -- about reality ---

what you're hearing on TV is horse race --- that's all ---

Anyone who was ever lucky enough to read the platform that Nader ran on would understand

that this man is about freedom, liberty, rights ---

Now, let's see where we're going with the Democrats . . .

Nader supports impeachment --- and the Democrats?

Nader is against destroying the FISA laws and protecting the communication companies --

And the Democrats?

and on and on --- find out what Nader's positions and are go down the list ---

[still_one]

105. just like the point he made that there was no difference between bush and Gore /nt

[onehandle]

21. Retire, Ralph. Retire. nt

[Politicalboi]

23. This is good

As far as Nader putting his foot in his racist mouth. Maybe he can get a guest spot on Imus. They speak the same "White Talk".

[blackspade]

24. Hey Nader...

FUCK OFF!

[xxqqqzme]

26. jeez, I thought his 15 minutes

were up in 2000. Why is anyone still giving him face time?

He should set up an account on youtube. Then he can post his rantings for all to see. He can then keep track of the 10 people who care enough to watch his latest ramble.

[jespwrs]

28. Ah, I see

Another Nader hater thread.
Nader is a well-deserved thorn in the side of the Democratic party. I hope he continues to call out the candidates and bring up relevant issues that continue to be ignored. Go ahead, commence reactionary Nader, and now jespwrs, hating.

[Dr.Phool]

33. How is it a Nader - Hater thread?

I posted his interview! Maybe I love Nader (not).

It's his words.

And yes, Nader stopped being relevant to anything, about 1980.

[jespwrs]

36. well...

You obviously don't like the man. You posted his article and then proceed to insult him and wish him physical harm. Even if you did intend serious discussion, judging by the majority of the posts, you didn't get it. So maybe it just turned into a Naderhater thread... Is that acceptable?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Do you like the man?

What other white supremacists do you admire?

[joeglow3]

47. When did you stop beating your spouse?

Aren't loaded questions great?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. Pretty simple question.

Ralph Nader's a racist. Do you like him?

[jespwrs]

64. Well...

I don't think he's a racist, and yes I do like him.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. "I felt like a nigger." -Ralph Nader

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/06/17/101452.php

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[jespwrs]

69. ???

And?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Nader's obviously a racist.

No real way to deny it.

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

73. You sound like a Ron Paul supporter.

Trying to pretend all that racist literature didn't really exist. Knowing full well that this person really is a racist, and just not caring.

[jespwrs]

75. Again, ???

Fuck Ron Paul. You aren't making any sense. Obviously we have a different perception of reality. Believe me, I would not like the man if he was in fact a racist. The thing is, he's not.

[Lorien]

100. I agree. I wouldn't have called what Obama has been doing

"talking white", but "talking right wing", "talking privileged", "talking corporate", yeah, there's been some of that. OK, maybe more than some. Obama has never addressed the issues that are most important to me as a liberal Democrat: the environment, clean, renewable energy development (ethanol is NOT the answer), repealing the Patriot Act, getting us out of Iraq ASAP, corporate personhood, repealing the tax cuts for the wealthiest, discouraging the off shoring of jobs, creating a new National passenger rail system, ending no bid contracts for war profiteers, ending corporate subsidies for oil companies, universal health care, etc. etc. Heck, today Obama spoke out against a supreme court ruling that the death penalty is inappropriate in cases of rape (specifically child rape) where a life is not taken. Does he realize that if the death penalty were imposed for child rapists (vile as they are) fewer children would come forth to report the crime for fear of having a family member or other person they know put to death? This would cause thousands-if not millions-of rape victims never to seek treatment for the trauma they endured. Too much pandering to the right, not enough thought, and taking the left entirely for granted. It's not a good move.

[pattmarty]

30. Well from some of the comments here, it looks like we have.......

.....an awful lot of "fair weather" or "arm chair" liberals. Obama has done what virtually every MSM silly pundit said he would after the primary. He has moved to the "center" (more the the right in my opinion). One thing about Nader and the "Greens" is hopefully they will move him somewhat "back". REAL LIBERALS want to reform the: Banking industry, tax code, education, big oil, healthcare, EPA, re-stack the courts with Liberal judges, Foreign policy, dump the Israeli lobby, END THE FUCKING WAR, I'm getting tired of typing, but you should get the idea. Nader is a TRUE FUCKING LIBERAL. And, how quickly "you" forget.

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. You can't attack Obama here, don't you know that?

:evilgrin:

[jespwrs]

74. Aren't we the people he wants to lead?

Talking about what we like or dislike about Obama is part of having your voice heard. I plan on voting for him, but I want to put my opinions out there. Isn't that what democracy is about? Aren't we supposed to have some influence on the candidate that represents the Democratic party?

[pattmarty]

79. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[defendandprotect]

57. ....and isn't that what the Democratic Party is supposed to be --- LIBERAL?

protecting the ideals of democracy which are LIBERAL --- ?

I mean, we have a Constitution which is so far to the right as to embrace SLAVERY, oppress
FEMALES and Native Americans --- EXPLOITING them for profit ---
because that's what these myths of inferiority are all about --- EXPLOITATION.

Some of the Founders insisted on the Bill of Rights --- that is now being destroyed.

Many feared the power of Capital/capitalists --- and they were certainly right!

Let's junk this capitalistic system and take our government back from corporations/capitalists!

Think of how much has been destroyed in the last 8 years ---

softened up by 20 years of GOP rule -- Reaganomics, etal ---

and think how close we are to having democracy overturned completely!

It will only take a slight push now ---

[pattmarty]

78. Hey, you don't have to convince me. WE evidently have to convince.......

.....all the other "Liberals" on this board What a REAL LIBERAL is.

[Robb]

86. Wait, I'm sure I have my card somewhere...

:eyes:

Ah, here it is. Hm... Something written on the back about taking responsibility.

When exactly did Nader do that again?

I admired the man for many, many years. But then he screwed me and the rest of this country, and never even said he was sorry, never said he would help work to get these fools he helped elect out of office. Instead he took every opportunity to repeat the same old crap: "There's no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans." The families of several hundred thousand dead people disagree, Ralph.

He's a media whore who says one thing and takes money from the other. He's a jackass, albeit fortunately an increasingly inconsequential one.

And if you don't think I'm a "real liberal" for thinking that, sorry.

[defendandprotect]

92. What is it that you're suggesting . . .

that Nader should take responsibility for . . . ?

Unfortunately, you're actually going to have to read more than your "card" to understand
that Nader didn't "screw you" nor anyone else in this country.

Try this . . .

300,000 DEMOCRATS in Florida voted for Bush ---

3,000 or more "butterfly ballots" went to Buchanan --

Thousands more votes went to third parties which were not the Green Party ---
that is Libertarians, Socialists, etal --

There were also more than 600 ILLEGAL military ballots counted for Bush --

Bush "won" by 527 votes ---

Now . . . tell me how you figure this gets blamed on Nader ---
EXCEPT that the Democrats told you that was the case?


MEANWHILE, Gore WON the 2000 election --- and the press confirms that in their recount
and it doesn't matter how you recount the votes --- Gore is the winner.

Now . . . I'd be happy to hear your reasoning on this --

[ozone_man]

98. You dare present rational arguments? Data even?

:)

Gore lost by many more significant factors than the 527 votes he lost by. That includes hanging chads and the Supreme Court of course. We can blame failure on many things, being born even. Truth is that Gore was a weak candidate in 2000. He has since learned how to speak passionately, how not to sound senatorial like in 2000, but he's no longer interested in politics.

As far as Obama sounding white, I've always thought that. He's never adopted the populism of Jesse Jackson or even John Edwards. He's a safe corporate candidate. So, a little pressure from Nader to swing left is a very healthy thing. It may even be what Obama is waiting for, some pressure from the left. Otherwise, he'll continue to drift right through the general election.

It's our responsibility as liberals to call them as we see them. Speak truth to power.

[defendandprotect]

99. Yes . . . flying in the face of blind hatreds . . . which so many are so comfortable with--!!!

Gore was a lousey candidate --- especially when he listened to the DLC --

Gore also had lifelong career backing by an oil company --- which one was it?

I like him better now, but light bulbs won't fix Global Warming and he NEVER
mentions nationalizing the oil industy -- nor electric cars!

Some of the criticism was that Obama wanted to make sure he didn't come off as a "Jesse Jackson."
I thought Jackson was a terrific candidate --- and laughed when people told me that they couldn't
understand a word he was saying!! Oh, yeah? Looked to me like they understood and they hated it!

Loved John Edwards --- even better, his Elizabeth --- love her.

I'm sticking with the liberal message --- hope they don't lynch me!


:)

[defendandprotect]

91. Oh . . was agreeing with your post . .. too enthustiastically . . .

Glad there is a "WE" here . . .

:)

[badgervan]

84. Sorry, But....

Nader is responsible for the past eight years, more than any one person. You can argue this till the cows come home, but Nader's 96,000 votes in the Kerry column would have left us one helluva lot better off. Right?
I am a lifelong progressive liberal Dem... yet I believe that Obama is playing this campaign perfectly. We're not all pure Socialists in the Democratic Party, as you seem to be... and wish the rest of us were.

[defendandprotect]

94. It's not an argument . . .

Gore won in 2000 according to the press recount ---
and that is no matter HOW you count the votes.

but Nader's 96,000 votes in the Kerry column would have left us one helluva lot better off. Right?

Why would you think that these are people who would have voted for Kerry in any case?
That's like saying that GOP votes would have looked better in the Kerry column-!
It doesn't work that way. :eyes:
Most of these people would NEVER vote for a Democrat.

MEANWHILE . . . try this --

300,000 DEMOCRATS in Florida voted for Bush ---

3,000 or more "butterfly ballots" went to Buchanan --

Thousands more votes went to third parties which were not the Green Party ---
that is Libertarians, Socialists, etal --

There were also more than 600 ILLEGAL military ballots counted for Bush --

Bush "won" by 527 votes ---

Now . . . tell me how you figure this gets blamed on Nader ---
EXCEPT that the Democrats told you that was the case?


And this is interesting . . .

I am a lifelong progressive liberal Dem... yet I believe that Obama is playing this campaign perfectly. We're not all pure Socialists in the Democratic Party, as you seem to be... and wish the rest of us were.

I don't consider myself "pure" anything ---
I consider myself a progressive liberal ---
I do stand against the DLC which is the corporate-wing of the Democratic Party.
They've had their "go" at Obama the last week or so --- a number of meetings with MONEY MEN.
Opting out of public financing means a less democratic campaign.
I also stand against Blue Dogs and would like to see them targeted and ousted from the party.
I stand against anyone who doesn't want to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights --

and when I think of "betrayal," I think of this ---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6408189

[pattmarty]

104. "We're not all pure Socialists....". No, but MOST of us here......

....aren't "pure" DLC cheerleaders "as you seem to be...". We need change first to counteract all the misery and fucked up policies of the last 40 yrs. You seem to be by your statement a big fan of Bill Clinton's Presidency. I actually don't believe that Obama is the "Liberal saviour" a lot of Libs think he is. Just look at his recent statements and his recent "move to the center". What we need RIGHT FUCKING NOW is change like an FDR, LBJ or McGovern might provide. Nader has become no longer relevant, but who else do we have to keep the Dems honest so to speak? Lanny Davis, Rahm Emanuel, Steny Hoyer or maybe Nancy Pelosi???? I SAY FUCK NO!!!!! We need more people representing us like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich.

[uppityperson]

34. Come on Ralph, sometimes his white half gets the better of him.

be patient and that black part will again resume control.
:sarcasm: just in case.

[DinahMoeHum]

35. Ralph: go eat a granite cookie.

Bob Weir (Grateful Dead) was absolutely right about him.

:evilfrown:

[damntexdem]

38. Nader talking idiot.

Nuff said.

[KamaAina]

39. I see a guest shot on Imus in his future

:eyes:

[WA98070]

40. Ralph, stick with the issues--Obama isn't speaking CONSUMER enough. What about ...

these issues is race related? As a white American I'm also hurt by the issues you mentioned.

[depakid]

42. Seems to me he asks a legitimate question:

"I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that?"

Perhaps the same thing that prompted him to shield abusive corporations from class action suits by ordinary Americans?

Just one month into his term, the former civil rights lawyer defied the Democrats and voted for the class-action "reform" bill.

Opposed by most major civil rights and consumer watchdog groups, this Big Business-backed legislation was sold to the public as a way to stop "frivolous" lawsuits. But everyone in Washington knew the bill's real objective was to protect corporate abusers. A few weeks later, though he voted against the credit-card-industry-written bankruptcy bill, Obama also voted against an amendment that would have capped credit-card interest rates at a whopping 30 percent (he defends his vote by claiming the amendment was poorly written).

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0609-21.htm

[bluestateguy]

44. If he shows up to the convention, Gov. Ritter should instruct police to arrest him

I'm sick of his bullshit.

[Fovea]

45. Ralph Nader: Talking Stupid.

Uh, Ralph, this is why you are marginal.

You, unlike Barack, cannot appeal to the majority of voters.

I haven't heard of you addressing inner city (not just African American) economic problems before. Are you recruiting staff from the ghetto? Jobs and training make many of these problems irrelevant.

[WA98070]

46. Ralph has spent his life representing CONSUMERS. Unfortunately, the MSM won't cover him unless...

it's negative.

[Kolesar]

51. ^ Good take on the situation ... eom

[Fovea]

89. They say the last person who knew everything worth knowing

was Erasmus.

The last few generation's claimants to the mantle of DaVinci's wide reaching brilliance, IE Fuller, Edison, and Ford were folks who did not know when they had reached beyond their areas of expertise.

Likewise Mr. Nader.

Like a Heisenberg uncertainty principal for the social sciences, perhaps you can be a mover, or a commenter, but not both.

[Doctor_J]

50. Why don't Nader's 3 remaining supporters stuff a sock in his mouth?

The last vestiges of his once-great reputation are gone, and he's inviting ridicule.

[defendandprotect]

58. Only for those with complete and unquestioned confidence ...

in Democratic party leaders --

and how is that working for you so far --- ???

[mainegreen]

52. Nader has a fantastic ability to point out serious, ignored issues in the most offensive way.

He's almost always completely right.
And he almost always comes off as a complete and total dipshit.

[MrsBrady]

53. wow....

this election is bringing out all of the racists...

who knew?

:thumbsdown: to Nader

[defendandprotect]

55. Unfortunatley, Nader's right and always has been . . .

and, once again, you we have another Democratic candidate proving that ---

[Robb]

85. So take it to a Nader board. /nt

[defendandprotect]

95. THIS is where the quote is being discussed .. .

Try discussing it rather than reacting like a neo-con ---

[Robb]

102. Right.

Welcome to DU. :eyes:

[undeterred]

56. Nader talking idiot.

:P

[tinrobot]

61. Political idiot in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

Nader did a lot of great things as a consumer advocate.

As a politician, he's an idiot who causes more harm than good.

[defendandprotect]

66. Let's not ask ourselves what Obama is doing in refusing public financing and moving to the right ...

let's chase the strawman down the road ---

Smart thinking, Dems . . . !!!

How easy it is to distract people from reality --- !!!

[msanthrope]

67. Like I've said since November, 2000--FUCK YOU RALPH!!!n/t

[w4rma]

77. "Liberals" who voted for Nader were conned. Nader is a racist union-busting jerk. (nt)

[applegrove]

80. Nader has lost his marbles.

[bitchkitty]

81. Yet another attention grab from Ralph.

He's like a neglected child craving attention - even negative strokes are better than none.

Someone take him out for coffee, please.

[galledgoblin]

82. wow, WTF Ralph...

are you TRYING to destroy your legacy? :(

please, PLEASE get back to work on consumer issues.

[Sequoia]

83. Ralph Nader talks old loser grumpy sans-Viagra man.

No one cares what you have to say so shut-up jerk. I bet he doesn't even go after corporations anymore who screw people over like he used to either.

[Unvanguard]

88. Well, this is kind of true, isn't it?

Obama is deliberately avoiding issues of race. The one major exception was his speech in response in Rev. Wright, which was hardly a clarion call for racial justice.

Of course, why he does so is perfectly understandable, and probably politically necessary.

[defendandprotect]

97. Truth that no one here wants to see . . . .

they prefer "scapegoats" to truth ---

[David Zephyr]

90. Nader has become a sort of flatulence that raises one's nostrils.

Nader stinks.

[Jim Sagle]

96. Sagle: Nader talking shit. As always.

[riskpeace]

101. Scorn for criticizing Senator Obama...

it's not just for Clintons or Democratic elected representatives anymore.