Fisa to be voted on tomorrow. Cloture vote passed 85 - 15

[seriousstan]

Source: U.S.Senate

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to H.R. 6304 )
Vote Number: 158 Vote Date: June 25, 2008, 06:25 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture on the Motion to Proceed Agreed to
Measure Number: H.R. 6304 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 )
Measure Title: A bill to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to establish a procedure for authorizing certain acquisitions of foreign intelligence, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 80
NAYs 15
Not Voting 5


Read more: http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00158

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I have no other news source, so I posted straightfrom the U.S. Senate web page. The voting ended 6.25 P.M.

[wryter2000]

1. Tomorrow?

I thought it might be delayed until after July 4. Shit.

[Mojorabbit]

2. They probably

got more calls on this bill each time it has come up than anything else they have voted on in years but they don't give a shit.

[islandmkl]

3. d. byrne/talking heads said it well (excerpt):

And you may ask yourself
What is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right? ...am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
My god!...what have I done?

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/in the silent water
Under the rocks and stones/there is water underground.

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...

[Jansen]

4. Disappointing.

Very Disappointing.

Thank you Senator Cantwell. BOO for Senator Murray.

Senator Obama WRU?

[seriousstan]

7. Obama has no problem with "the phone companies being held harmless".

June 25, 2008...pay attention to around 1:37.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPljokDWERg&eurl=http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/25/dodd/index.html

[saracat]

9. Wow> That is sickening.

[ryanmuegge]

68. He's throwing the election intentionally. I am convinced now.

He has to know that he'll be painted as a John Kerry flip-flopper.

Oh well. There wasn't that much difference between the two anyway.

[rhett o rick]

29. WTF is with Murray? nm

[Wizard777]

5. Can any show me the language in the bill that provides Bush with Immunity for the illegal wiretap?

It's my understanding that the Telecoms must go into court and state to the judge that the Illegal wire taping they did was authorized by President Bush. Then and only then do they receive the Immunity. The fact that Bush Commissioned the crime, which is a crime, is part of the court record. Let me put it to you like this. Just because a prosecutor gives a hit man immunity in exchange for his testimony. That doesn't mean the person that hired the hit man automatically gets immunity too. Absolutely not. They throw the book at them.

[frog92969]

8. Here's the full text-

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6304

But I haven't looked through it.

[madfloridian]

10. The court is being made almost irrelevant. Link.

http://www.aclu.org:80/safefree/nsaspying/35731res20080619.html

[Wizard777]

16. I'm wondering what they are defining a "intelligence community" in the preemption section.

On a first read. It appears that if the Homeland Security Officer of your local or state police department wiretaps the Governor or anyone else. There is little or nothing anyone in the state can do about that. That seems to stomp on state sovereignty. I'm from Maryland and we know all about that. We wanted to Prosecute Linda Tripp for her illegal wiretap of her conversations with Monica Lewinsky. The wiretap occured in Maryland and violated our state wiretap laws. Because of the immunity given to Linda Tripp by Ken Starr. We couldn't touch her. Believe me we tried like all hell to put her in jail where she belonged.

[RNdaSilva]

11. I think that you're correct....

and many are missing this point.

There was a hint of this on Countdown today...it is a Constitutional matter. I understood this from an earlier Obama statement. This, the FISA Bill, does not grant immunity to Bush & Co. if proven that they hired the "hit man." Would the Telecoms testify to this 'fact' in exchange for immunity? Yep! Is secret testimony already on file?

I think Obama has something up his sleeve. He is an attorney, give it time.

Need to find further verification.

[dana_b]

13. I hope he shows up tomorrow. n/t

[Wizard777]

18. Not only that. The only way Congress can grant immunity is in exchange for testimony.

Otherwise what they are granting is NOT immunity but a Pardon. That is solely a Presidential (Executive) power. Congress does not have the ability to grant a pardon in any way. shape, or form.

[Zachstar]

26. No

No No No

Stop with the fantasy! We have been betrayed

[Jakes Progress]

37. And if he doesn't pull some aces

from his sleeve tomorrow? Still enthralled?

The point people are missing is that the telecom immunity is a strawman. Get everybody excited about putting an AT&T CEO in jail and they start slathering. And as everyone sits around working to stop immunity, they ignore the gutting of the 4th amendment. Plus if it is no longer a crime, then Presto Chango! bush didn't do bad.

Too many people with no ax to grind for either side have come down on this as the removal of our right to privacy. Me? I'll trust the ACLU. They are not out to prosecute anyone. They are trying to protect the Bill of Rights.

[Frisbee]

43. I am willing to give Obama a pass on this...

...only because of what KO and J. Turley said and because of a great post by Grantcart on the same subject. BUT, if he doesn't make a move on this as soon as he's positioned to do so, I will be very disappointed. But from what I've read, criminal charges can still be brought, let's hope they are, with enough jail time to send a VERY strong message to any one who thinks something like this is a good idea in the future.

[Make7]

15. I remember Glenn Greenwald writing about this before the House passed it.

Edited to add link to Glenn Greenwald article

He was of the opinion that Section 802(c) was a legal loophole. From the bill:

‘(c) Limitations on Disclosure- If the Attorney General files a declaration under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, that disclosure of a certification made pursuant to subsection (a) or the supplemental materials provided pursuant to subsection (b) or (d) would harm the national security of the United States, the court shall--

‘(1) review such certification and the supplemental materials in camera and ex parte; and

‘(2) limit any public disclosure concerning such certification and the supplemental materials, including any public order following such in camera and ex parte review, to a statement as to whether the case is dismissed and a description of the legal standards that govern the order, without disclosing the paragraph of subsection (a) that is the basis for the certification.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6304

Mr. Greenwald said this would allow the Attorney General to issue an order to the Court to dismiss a lawsuit and require that the Court not disclose the reason for the dismissal. I'll try to find his article.

ETA: link

-Make7

[Wizard777]

21. You cannot use a top secret stamp to conceal a crime. If the Judge knows what they are concealing

under the guises of National security to be a crime. The judge will have the opportunity to see that and has little or excuse to not know it's a crime. The Judge then becomes an accessory after the fact to that crime for the cover up.

[Make7]

23. How do you go about prosecuting such a Judge for being an accessory?

If the documents that are provided to dismiss the case are secret due to "national security" concerns and the Judge concurs, how do you prove that the case was dismissed to conceal a crime?

-Make7

[Wizard777]

40. That's what whistle blowers are all about. Maybe one of the judges clerks see it too.

Who knows? All I'm saying is if that's what they do and it's discovered. The Judge can be criminally prosecuted too.

[Jakes Progress]

34. Read it again.

Under this bill, someone like the AG says it's okay. The court has no jurisdiction there. So the only one watching the watchers are those hired by the watchers. The ACLU has warned us. What ax do they have to grind?

[Wizard777]

42. No the AG can't do that. "limit on disclosure." It gives the AG the ability to censor.......

anything coming from the court if it jeopardizes National Security. Including why the case was dismissed by the judge. This must be done by the AG, Acting Ag, or Deputy AG. This cannot be delegated to anyone else like a DOJ lawyer. See the "non delegation" provision.

[robinlynne]

51. It DOES mean that the 40 cases will be thrown out! the fact that soemone somewhere

sometime somehow can do soemthing else is no consolation. We have 40 cases NOW which have moved up through the courts against the telecomms!

[PassingFair]

6. Did they get the immunity clause stripped?

I am SICK.

:puke:

[Papa Boule]

12. They're not even going to buy us dinner first

How is it that we are so powerless in this "representative republic"?

[psychmommy]

14. my senators represented this constituent.

they voted nay on cloture. i hope they vote no on the bill also. i am digging my senators from nj. i emailed them, i guess i wasn't the only one.

[Bennyboy]

17. Goddamnit!

Obama NOT. Fucking grow a pair of fucking balls. We thought you were going to be different but it turns ot you are not. We are so fucked. thought we had a leader but I can see we got the same thing we had before. Leaders lead and panderers don't vote on controversial issues..


And my own senator DiFi voted yeah. Fuck her again.

[bhal123]

19. My Senators from Maryland both voted

for cloture. I called both offices earlier in the day and neither had a stated opinion at that time. I will be calling again tomorrow to complain.

[Bennyboy]

20. Today Obama lost my support....

the death penalty thing and now this. I will write him a message, but as far as working on his cmapign as I had planned, NO WAY. I will be wroting (again) feinsteins office too. god she pisses me off. I don't think anyone ever has pissed me off more than she does. At least with Bush you know what he is. with DiFi she is like a snake in the grass.

[Wizard777]

22. I really think they have something up their sleeve with this.

I'm gonna hold off on giving Ben Cardin a piece of my mind. I'm not a fair weather constituent. Even if I had a tally sheet with a mark for everything he has done that I agree with and Disagree with. Ben is still way ahead on the agree side of the sheet. Basically the Telecoms have to rat on Bush to a Judge to get the immunity.

[Zachstar]

25. The only thing up their sleeve is getting on their knees

And accepting the asses of Bush and the cronies to kiss.

Its just about over folks. The last piece of effective justice is about to give way and the darkness will flow as democrats stain themselves red.

FUCK THEM!

[iconicgnom]

Clearly, whatever it is, it's the same thing as the G.W.Bush admin has "up their sleeve"

Else GWB and crew wouldn't be rolling on the floor in paroxyms of ecstasy at this moment.

US federal politics looks like a good-cop/bad-cop double teaming -- and has looked that way for a long long time.

It's sad to see - but what a democratic people do to harm themselves is acceptable in a certain sad way that is totally unacceptable when that same democratic people chooses to bomb, kidnap, disappear and torture people of other nations. No matter how much they think they might profit by it.

[Catherina]

54. Unfortunately their track record doesn't merit any trust. n/t

[Zachstar]

24. Look at all those traitors!

FUCK THEM!

[Ian David]

27. THIS story says it could be delayed until July...

Report: FISA vote may be delayed until July
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3368266

[seriousstan]

30. Big deal, want a link to a story about Bigfoot or Elvis sightings?

The vote is FACT, your linked story has been proven to be bullshit. I'll believe the Senate records over Rawstory's blatherings any day.

[Ian David]

31. RawStory has gotten to be more reliable over the past couple of years.

But it does look like this particular story was under-cooked.

[gateley]

44. I think that was before the vote on cloture occurred. nt

[Xipe Totec]

28. My Senators voted Nay, and Not Voting

Kerry and Kennedy.

I thank Senator Kerry for supporting the Filibuster. I understand Senator Kennedy's absence due to illness.

We need to expose the yeas and hold them accountable in November.

We also need to ask Senators Clinton and Obama why they did not vote.


DEMOCRATS:

Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea


REPUBLICANS:

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea

[orleans]

32. didn't olbermann say obama was going to vote FOR this crap?

wtf???

(i thought he said, last year, he wouldn't)

standing up for my rights already, are we?

[robinlynne]

52. Obama didn't even show up.

[EFerrari]

55. I don't like that. n/t

[minnesota_liberal]

33. Here are the 31 Democratic weasels who joined all 48 Repubs and 1 Lieberman

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

[cascadiance]

36. In my book ALL of these IMMEDIATELY disqualified themselves as VP!

Bye bye Jim Webb! Bye bye Bayh!

[gateley]

45. I called the ones who voted NO

(all FIFTEEN of them -- how pathethic) to pass along our thanks. I said there were VERY FEW who were willing to stand up and do the right thing, so we'd like to express our appreciation to Senator X for being among the few.

[minnesota_liberal]

58. Great idea! Anyone else want to say Thanks, here are their #s

Biden (D-DE) 202-224-5042
Boxer (D-CA) 202-224-3553
Brown (D-OH) 202-224-2315
Cantwell (D-WA) 202-224-3441
Dodd (D-CT) 202-224-2823
Durbin (D-IL) 202-224-2152
Feingold (D-WI) 202-224-5323
Harkin (D-IA) 202-224-3254
Kerry (D-MA) 202-224-2742
Lautenberg (D-NJ) 202-224-3224
Leahy (D-VT) 202-224-4242
Menendez (D-NJ) 202-224-4744
Sanders (I-VT) 202-224-5141
Schumer (D-NY) 202-224-6542
Wyden (D-OR) 202-224-5244

[bdamomma]

61. hmmm....Schumer voted No?

wow he finally did the right thing.

Those Senators right there need our thanks.

[bdamomma]

60. jeez, my two Senators from RI voted Yea,

what the hell, I will call both of their offices.

[NoodleyAppendage]

67. BLUE DOG DEMS = Traitorous, bastard, jerk-offs with NO BACKBONE.

I'm so sick of the so-called, "Blue Dog Dems." I'd rather the Dems existed in the minority, but highly unified behind the Constitution versus our party's current state of a handful of TRUE AMERICANS and a larger portion of corporatist assholes who care not about the country and it's citizenry.

Thanks for the list.

J

[ToeBot]

35. A cloture vote is called, it passes, end of story. That's not a fucking filibuster! nt

[orleans]

38. ugh

Spy, phone protection bill clears Senate hurdle
By Thomas Ferraro

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A White House-backed spy bill to protect telecommunication companies from billions of dollars in possible privacy lawsuits passed a Senate test vote on Wednesday and headed toward final congressional approval.

On a vote of 80-15, mostly Republican supporters of the bipartisan measure, which would also implement the most sweeping overhaul of U.S. spy laws in decades, easily mustered the 60 needed to clear a Democratic procedural roadblock.

Overwhelmingly approved by the House of Representatives on Friday, the bill may win needed Senate concurrence before Congress begins a holiday break the end of this week.

President George W. Bush has promised to sign the measure, which would replace a temporary surveillance law that had expired in February.

In addition to providing a special court review of lawsuits against telecommunication companies, the bill would increase oversight of U.S. intelligence activities and bolster privacy protection -- but not as much as civil liberties groups and a number of lawmakers want.

"This bill is not a compromise. It is a capitulation," said Sen. Russ Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat.

Feingold has offered an amendment to strip out protection for telecommunication companies. But both Democrats and Republicans predict the amendment will be rejected.

Sen. Christopher Bond, a Missouri Republican and a chief negotiator of the legislation, urged passage.
..more..
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2528782720080625?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

(fuckers)

[mb7588a]

39. the only patriots left in the U.S. Senate:

Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)

These are brave men and a woman who understand that the Constitution is above ALLLLLLLLLLLL.

Did the rest of them learn nothing from Feingold's vote against the Patriot Act?

[Diane R]

41. Shoot....Sen. Kennedy would have voted against it, too, I think.

[gateley]

46. We KNOW he would have!

He was one of the few who was actually on the floor with Dodd last February when he filibustered.

[Yukari Yakumo]

47. Looks like he missed the vote

Kennedy isn't on the list of who voted yes either.

[robinlynne]

53. He declared it publicly from the hospital through his aides!

[Marrah_G]

57. Hey- don't forget Kennedy- He is out sick !

[daggahead]

64. Levin (D-MI)

I can't believe he caved.

[SlingBlade]

48. God Bless These Patriots

And damed to hell every last one of these traitorous bastards
who removed one of the great barriers to totalitarianism.

[Zodiak]

49. Let me fix that list of traitors for you

Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea *DLC
Bayh (D-IN), Yea *DLC
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea *DLC
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea *DLC
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea *DLC
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea *DLC
Inouye (D-HI), Yea *DLC
Johnson (D-SD), Yea *DLC
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea *DLC
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea *DLC
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea *DLC
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea *DLC
Nelson (D-NE), Yea *DLC
Pryor (D-AR), Yea *DLC
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea *DLC
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea

[minnesota_liberal]

56. You left out 3

Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)

[bdamomma]

62. Shit Why did Reed and Whitehouse vote Yea.

what the hell is wrong with them.

[lovuian]

50. Tomorrow Democrats and Republicans unite to give Bush

immunity but it can always be overturned this is just revealing that the Congress is in collusion with Bush this is Democrats as well as Republicans we are under tyranny

[liberal1973]

59. Who said this?

"it can always be overturned"? I don't think so.

[tom_paine]

63. I believe the Declaration of Independence said it.

n/t

[Kingofalldems]

65. Raw Story was right

Vote delayed until July.

[minnesota_liberal]

66. Congrats to residents of NJ, VT and MA

Both sentors from these states voted Nay. (In the case of MA, I'm sure Sen. Kennedy would have voted Nay if he had been able to attend.)