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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 03:58 PM
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Justice Antonin Scalia: Al Gore to blame for 2000 US election mess
Source: Telegraph

The 2000 presidential election debacle was the fault of Al Gore, who should have followed Richard Nixon's 1960 example and conceded without legal action, according to the Supreme Court's leading conservative judge.

"Richard Nixon, when he lost to Kennedy thought that the election had been stolen in Chicago, which was very likely true with the system at the time," Justice Antonin Scalia told The Telegraph.

"But he did not even think about bringing a court challenge. That was his prerogative. So you know if you don't like it, don't blame it on me.

"I didn't bring it into the courts. Mr Gore brought it into the courts.

"So if you don't like the courts getting involved talk to Mr Gore."

Justice Scalia insisted that his controversial decision, along with four other justices, to stop votes being recounted in Florida because the method was unconstitutional and it was too late to consider other options was "absolutely right".

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2200495/Justice-Antonin-Scalia-Al-Gore-to-blame-for-2000-US-election-mess.html
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 03:59 PM
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1. All court cases are named 'plantiff v. defendant'
The case was Bush v. Gore. End of arguement, Nino.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:40 PM
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27. Thanks you for stating the obvious lie in Scalia's argument.
Here's another one - Bush filed the first law suit in Florida. Scalia just can't keep his lies straight.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:29 PM
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113. scalia is a liar - what a crime that he's on the supreme court
and this also says that the supreme court is a banana court.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:31 PM
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114. agreed.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 04:51 PM
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120. I am not a violent person
But somehow he and Cheney just bring out that latent side of me. I truly can't stand this man, like he makes me want to puke, kick in my TV screen, scream, yell and kick him in the balls at a minimum. How can someone be so arrogant and consistently wrong? How could Democrats let the Supreme Court come to this state? Why would any Dem have voted for him, Roberts, Thomas or Alito - it's totally beyond me? I think he's every bit as evil and coniving as Cheney - and that's comparing him to the absolute devil. I would not be sad at all if something really bad happened to him, it would improve the entire world to have him play no role at all in public policy/decision making.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 12:01 AM
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130. glad to see that i am not alone in feeling these people are scum
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:47 PM
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29. Got it in one
:)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:33 PM
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61. To be scrupulously honest about it all
Gore did file the first action, in Florida state court, which is the proper venue for settling a dispute over state ballots in a statewide election. It was Bush who removed the action to the federal courts, turning the issue into a federal one, rather than confining it to the state of Florida. To this day, it mystifies me why a federal court would grant jurisdiction over a Florida state statute case, because the overreaching legal argument by Bush, that this was somehow an "equal protection" matter to be interpreted under the U.S. Constitution was completely bogus.

But Fat Tony and his pals eventually decided that the rights of paper ballots to equal treatment (despite any differences in those ballots) trumped the rights of citizens to have their votes counted.

Up yours, Mr. Scalia. You won't be missed.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:04 PM
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72. I wish we could miss him. As in - I wish he weren't on the bench anymore.
Unfortunately, it's hard to miss something large, rough, and toxic that's been jammed up your ass.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 07:27 AM
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This Nazi WOULDN'T be on the bench if Congress had a backbone
Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy should be impeached for illegally installing Bush. If Congress had any backbone, these three scumbags would have been impeached when the Democrats took over Congress. Instead, this is another case where Nincompoop Nancy and Steeney the Weeney wimped out!
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 04:54 PM
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121. they f*ng piss me off
Spinless cowards who do not deserve the office they hold and should be kicked out of office, each and every one, including Schumer - the traitor!!!!!

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #61
112. What action was that?
I know that the Bush campaign took matters to the Federal level, but I'm looking for facts on who filed the first state lawsuit or action.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 03:33 PM
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118. Gore filed for county recounts
The law (a quaint institution, whereby we used to determine governance instead of the current system whereby we do whatever the President feels like doing on a particular day) in Florida was that challenges to ballot counts were supposed to be filed in the counties where the counts were being challenged. The Gore team began by filing petitions in (as I recall) Palm Beach County and a couple of others where the results were so egregiously wrong that it appeared he could easily recover from his 527 vote deficit and win the state.

Bush didn't file any challenge petitions before the deadline, but insisted in the court of public opinion that if there was to be a recount, the entire state should be recounted. The media, the Secretary of State, and Bush's brother the governor all agreed. And, despite missing the deadline and not having a legal leg to stand on, the Bush team succeeded in pressuring Gore to acquiesce in expanding the scope of the recount.

And away we went. Jeffrey Toobin wrote a book called "Too Close to Call" which is highly readable, but which I've never been able to finish.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:30 AM
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131. Right. But Gore asking for those recounts didn't involve "the courts"
They were requests to the Election Boards of the counties, within the existing election laws and part of the election process.

"The courts" were brought-in by the Bush campaign, seeking to stop the recounts.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:03 AM
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84. I'd like to thank you for your succinct and truthful first response.
Scalia is a blatant liar. Why are we continuing to allow him to sit on that bench?
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 04:57 PM
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122. Don't want to go to jail for killing him
is the only reasonable explanation! Otherwise the mf would not be continuing in his neo-con quest to make our country a 3rd world nation.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 01:16 AM
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87. well done!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:10 AM
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105. Not quite.
At the trial court level, you are correct. At the appellate level, the first name listed is not necessarily the plaintiff but the appellant, i.e., whoever brought the appeal. The second name is the appellee.

Bake, Esq.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
116. My first reaction as well. Funny, a supreme court
justice who doesn't know that.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:00 PM
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2. Uh, wasn't the lawsuit titled Bush vs Gore?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:09 PM
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7. Good point! Bush brought it to the court...
F**king Tony is delusional and doesn't know what he's talking about.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:24 PM
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55. exactly my thought on reading the headline - Scalia is criminally insane and an idiot
the world would be safer if he were to be put in asylum with those nifty jackets and padded walls.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:31 PM
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69. The Supreme Court doesn't use the plaintiff v. defendant naming system
It is petitioner v. the party who was successful at the lower level.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:42 PM
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75. Petitioner = plaintiff
They are the same side of the same coin
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:08 AM
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92. No, petitioner is the appellant. The names sometimes get reversed.
Edited on Fri Jun-27-08 06:08 AM by HamdenRice
If John Doe sues John Smith, the original case will be titled, Doe v. Smith.

If Smith loses, and appeals, in the appeals court, the case will be titled Smith v. Doe.

The case name in the Supreme Court does not necessarily tell you who initiated the lawsuit or who was the original plaintiff.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #75
106. Not at the appellate level.
There's a lot of misinformation in this thread.

Bake, Esq.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:06 PM
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3. This is like the alcoholic blaming the bottle.
"Richard Nixon, when he lost to Kennedy thought that the election had been stolen in Chicago, which was very likely true with the system at the time," Justice Antonin Scalia told The Telegraph.

So Fat Tony admits 2000 was stolen?

So why hand down a opinion that you say should not set precedence?

And what about this statement?
I didn't bring it into the courts. Mr Gore brought it into the courts. So if you don't like the courts getting involved talk to Mr Gore.
What a fucking crybaby!
:nopity:

F**K YOU, TONY!!!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:08 PM
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5. or the rapist blaming the raped victim
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:08 PM
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4. Scalia Should Have Recused Himself
in the unconstitutional decision to select a President. He knows it and wants to project his own guilt on the very victim. The usual tactic by the right wing.... "always blame the victim of your own crimes".
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:20 PM
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33. his son was working for the Bush transition team. So was Justice Thomas' wife.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:09 PM
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6. NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK, you know, I always suspected that sneaky Al Gore
....shot himself in the foot. Thank you Nino Scalia, you fat tub of lard for giving us that total bullshit insight!!!!
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:11 PM
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8. Fuck Him - Bush brought it into the courts - Asshole!
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:11 PM
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9. Bush was the very first to take it to ANY court
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 04:18 PM by kskiska
November 11th- Palm Beach announces it will recount- Bush goes to federal court to bar the recount.

November 12th- Volusia County begins recount. Democrats announce suit to filed in Seminole County against Republican absentee ballots

November 13th- Federal court refuses to stop recount.- Florida election official announce that they will certify the election the next day- with the exception of absentee ballots- Democrats appeal decision-

http://www.multied.com/elections/2000recount.html
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:19 PM
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51. Kicked and recommended for this post and Scalia should be impeached. n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:24 PM
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54. Here's another case where Scalia just cited false information.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:15 PM
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10. Scalia thinks it's Gore's fault he can't correctly interpret the Constitution?
Bite me, Scalia.

Furthermore, the RNC at Nixon's private urging did pursue legal action in several states, with no success. Illinos alone wouldn't have given Nixon the election.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:15 PM
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11. How many people here believe Scalia is certifiably insane?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:19 PM
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15. raises both hands and waves them madly*
now.. how do we prove that and remove his ass from the court? :shrug:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:12 PM
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32. And Criminal, To Boot!
Waving hands AND both feet!
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:53 PM
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44. i do...he's a misanthrope
:hi: and unfit for any bench, except one at a park :hi:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:27 PM
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59. I do! I do! I do! Pick Me! Pick Me!
This guy is freakin' nuts! He needs an immediate evaluation and is a danger to society and to himself.

He has a history of abusive instances with the public and should be taken into custody for the good of the country.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:45 PM
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76. Nope. He's just a lying crapweasel. Dishonesty is not insanity. nm
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 11:45 PM by dicksteele
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:00 PM
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123. Scalia isn't insane
Edited on Fri Jun-27-08 05:01 PM by lark
He knows exactly what he's doing and is doing it with forethought and malice and laughing at us the entire time for being so stupid as to give him a chance to undermine our entire constitution.
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:13 AM
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91. Mad Judge Disease
At this rate, he'll be replacing Judge Joe Brown.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 09:04 AM
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99. Criminally insane.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:16 PM
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12. Fuck Antonin Scalia
He should be disbarred.
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jamesA Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:50 PM
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81. Agreee. Disbar and Impeach. But F-- him? No way. Yuck
AGRee. Disbar and Impeach. But F-- him? No way. Yuck
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:17 PM
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13. So the message is: "Take a dive when the Mob rigs an election"?
Thanks, Fat Tony.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:18 PM
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14. He didn't roll over and play dead like a nice doggy soon enough
for you?

I loathe that man, I really, really do.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:24 PM
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22. I Hope He Pulls A Full Russert...SOON!
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:25 PM
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57. EXACTLY! It's the only way to be rid of him!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:09 AM
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85. Do you know, if he were properly publicly (and merely verbally) confronted,
it is entirely possible that he just might get angry enough to give himself heart failure.

If the exposure of the truth to his face is what kills him, well....
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:21 PM
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16. F*CK YOU SCALIA
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:21 PM
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17. OK, someone please tell me, is this another press release from
Scalia or the same one from a few weeks ago?

If this is another one, why the fuck is he talking about this after all these years? He planning on something for November?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:56 PM
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31. He is pimping a book
Who would buy it now? Bush is at 23%-everyone knows what Scalia is now. The few supporters he had went broke today and can't afford hardcover fiction. It's truly a shame that so many have to suffer along with the morons who caused this mess.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:21 PM
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18. so if you get cheated you are just suppose to shut up and take it
that is the American way I guess
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:21 PM
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19. It is time for Mr. Scalia to either leave or be removed from the Court.
He has obviously lost his grasp on reality.

Sinistrous
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:04 PM
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124. Does anyone know what it takes to impeach a Supreme Court justice?
If there's any way possible, we need to get rid of this guy in some way other than killing him?
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:22 PM
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20. No way TRAITOR!!
That treasonous fuck knows that he betrayed the trust of the American people and the intent of the Constitution when he became an accomplice to election fraud and an engineer of a cover-up.
:nuke:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:23 PM
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21. The official docket: Bush & Cheney were the petitioners
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 04:23 PM by trof
Scalia is a lying bastard, but we already knew that.

Supreme Court of the United States
Argued December 11, 2000
Decided December 12, 2000
Full case name: George W. Bush and Richard Cheney, Petitioners v. Albert Gore, Jr., et al.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
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rsdsharp Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:27 PM
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23. What utter horseshit. Gore filed in state court. Bush in federal.
As for 1960, Kennedy won 303 electoral votes. Nixon won 219. Even if you give Illinois' 27 to Nixon, Kennedy still won, 276-246. The RNC did challenge election results in 11 states, with court cases going into the summer of 1961. I'm sure they wouldn't have done that if Nixon "did not even think about bringing a court challenge." All that resulted was Nixon's loss of Hawaii to Kennedy.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:27 AM
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94. Great points. I didn't realize how UNclose the Kennedy-Nix election was. nt
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 02:20 PM
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117. it was the popular vote count that thepublicans
whined about. Kennedy won by half a million popular votes and they blamed it on the dead voting in Chicago. Daly probably did fuck w/ the votes but he didn't turn people away, he just extended the voting privilege to people who no longer express an opinion.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 09:06 AM
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100. Lies on top of lies on top of lies.
These murderous criminals have our country in a chokehold.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:31 PM
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24. Sounds like Scalia is having problems sleeping at night
This is like the 900th time he has said this, this month.

It's called a conscience, Scalia, it's trying to tell you something.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:36 PM
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25. He sounds really defensive doesn't he?
This level of partisan bias from a senior member of the supreme court is appalling.

He should be disbarred.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:50 AM
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111. I doubt he has any trouble sleeping ...
... at least because of his Bush v Gore corruption.

But I do think people should continue pressing him on the issue. Maybe he'd eventually get fed-up and go into private practice.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:37 PM
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26. good googly moogly is he a gasbag
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:43 PM
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28. I think we could eliminate the entire Federal deficit if someone would sell off
opportunities to kick Nino in the nuts for $100. I don't have much money, but I'd stand in line to pay my Benjamin--- in steel-toed boots, of course!
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potone Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:15 PM
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66. I normally abhore threats of violence, but in this case...
Thanks for the image. You made my day!:rofl: :spray:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 04:38 AM
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90. You're quite welcome!
Sometimes, the only way I can get through the day is imagining Scalia and the rest of BushCo lined up and me with a fist full of $100 bills ready to start kickin' in the name of charity for my poor broke country.

I don't think it counts as violence if it's done against beings who have no actual feelings... ;)
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:07 PM
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125. Give me 5 tickets for that
I want each of my family memebers to have an opportunity like this!! God, how can one person (well, 3, he Cheney and Addington) be so completely evil?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:50 PM
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30. Nino, the lying little punk is losing it
A SC justice can't tell the difference between a plaintiff and a defendant.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:23 PM
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34. How did anyone that stupid get in law school? He is trying to rewrite history now
that Bush is such a disaster that the historical fallout with land right on him and the other four of the felonious five.
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Doug.Goodall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:27 PM
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35. Typical Conservative - Blame the Liberals for every mess
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:33 PM
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36. Bush was the plaintiff
Scalia is becoming a caricature of a SCOTUS justice.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:43 PM
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37. Bullshit!
:wtf:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:43 PM
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38. Can't that Opus Dei freak just sleep on his bed of nails and retire.
or self flagellate or whatever those freaks do.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:44 PM
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39. I blame Bobby Knight for not going hunting with Scalia and Cheney!
The world might have been a WHOLE LOT BETTER place if he had!
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:46 PM
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40. Why is this fucker so untouchable?
Impeach and remove from the bench. People act like he HAS to be there. Fuck that and fuck him!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:48 PM
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41. Translation, Gore should not have challenged Bush's cousin at Fox's right to call it.
Because that is where the election was decided. On election night. When a bunch of votes in West Florida flipped to Bush and a Bush cousin at Fox called the election for Bush. Then Bradley at CBS said "Hold on there." And Gore said "Hold on there" and W. said "But my little brother said he was gonna fix it so I would win..."

Justice Scalia is an oxymoron.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 07:39 AM
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97. Exactly!
Bush's cousin at FOX called it for Bush, and the other networks followed suit.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:52 PM
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42. The newspapers commissioned a study of the Florida 2000 ballots.
A preliminary report issued in May, 2001 indicated that Bush had gotten
more votes in Florida, and this was widely reported in the media.

But the ballot study went on through the summer. At the beginning of
September, the results were to be released: Gore got more legal votes
in Florida. The National Lawyers Guild was preparing impeachment
proceedings for the five justices who'd given the election to the loser.

But just then, history intervened, and the announcement was delayed.
By the time the study was released in November, Bush was the War President,
there was anthrax in the mail, and all the news articles spun the story
to tout Bush as legitimate and make the fact that Gore actually got more
votes seem irrelevant when they finally mentioned it at the end of the
story.

The Washington Post at least was straight shooting enough to put it in
the second paragraph.


Florida Recounts Would Have Favored Bush
But Study Finds Gore Might Have Won Statewide Tally of All Uncounted Ballots

By Dan Keating and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, November 12, 2001; Page A01

In all likelihood, George W. Bush still would have won
Florida and the presidency last year if either of two
limited recounts -- one requested by Al Gore, the other
ordered by the Florida Supreme Court -- had been
completed, according to a study commissioned by The
Washington Post and other news organizations.

But if Gore had found a way to trigger a statewide
recount of all disputed ballots, or if the courts had
required it, the result likely would have been different.
An examination of uncounted ballots throughout Florida
found enough where voter intent was clear to give Gore
the narrowest of margins.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:52 PM
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43. Impeach me, America !
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:54 PM
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45. That asshole belongs in a maximum security jail
Shackled, cuffed, and in isolation 24 hours a day.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:57 PM
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46. Scalia to blame for the rise of Nazi Germany
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 06:05 PM by Greyskye


Makes just as much sense. Asshole. :grr:
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:00 PM
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47. Feeling some heat, are ya, Fat Tony?
Hey, Mr. States Rights until the state doesn't do what I want them to
do, SHUT THE FUCK UP, will ya?

I'm never moving on and I'm never getting over it. "None dare call it
treason" indeed.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:03 PM
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48. If there was ever a need for a reason to vote Obama
it would be Scalia and his cohorts and backers.

Fortunately all the other reasons are strong enough.
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:04 PM
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49. Impeach Scalia
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:15 PM
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50. Justice Scalia can't die soon enough, there is simply no other
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 06:23 PM by greyghost
way to be rid of him. I read when Tim Russert died that 800 people drop dead in this country everyday, we can hope can't we. He won't retire, and the will is not there to impeach him. So don't blame me for wishing it, blame the fucked up system that allows them to remain on the court for life. As you can probably tell, I've lost my patience with this asshole.

Obama must be elected before this court destroys what's left of this country.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:19 PM
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52. Nixon didn't have a NEGATIVE 16,000 VOTES being reported for him in Cook County either.



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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:21 PM
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53. What a honorable man Nixon turned out to be.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:24 PM
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56. He also forgets that the SCOTUS could have refused to take the
case like they do others. In fact if they had bothered to follow the constitution they would have stayed out of it altogether. FU Scalia.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:27 PM
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58. Yoo-hoo, Fat Tony, Georgie Porgie is the one who ran whining and
whimpering straight to your door.

You're not fooling anyone with your bullshit, Tony.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:27 PM
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60. AAAAAA. RRRRRGGGG. HHHHHHH. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! N/T
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:01 PM
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71. me2
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:39 PM
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62. Antonin Scalia to world
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:42 PM
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63. WRONG nutsack scalia!
It was Mrs. Harris and the GOP who are to blame for the mess.

That election was a SHAM!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:43 PM
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64. Another BIG Bushie Lie: The Bushies went to court FIRST.
But what does it matter. There are no lies, there is no truth, in Bushie Amerika. There's just what people believe.

Sad. I loved the Old American Republic, may she rest in peace.
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confrontationclaws Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:12 PM
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65. I think Scalia's a fascist as much as you guys, but

You can't really tell "who started it" (the litigation) by looking at the order of names in a case title. The Appellant always comes first, that is the party that lost in the lower court appeals, and his name is first. Bush lost in the Florida supreme court, and appealed to the US Supreme Court. So it was Bush v. Gore.

If you follow it all the way back to the Leon County (Tallahassee) trial court, there it all began as Gore v. Harris.

Eventually it became perhaps the most jurisprudentially dishonest opinion the Supreme Court ever issued.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:47 PM
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78. I don't think you do. nm
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 03:27 AM
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89. Gore vs. Harris
In other words, Gore vs. bu$h's Florida-campaign-co-chair-who-also-happened-to-be-in-charge-of-counting-the-votes
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:19 PM
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67. He is such an arrogant cocky prick. Would be neat to impeach the prick next year.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:20 PM
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68. Jeezus. Are fruitcakes running *every* goddamn
government branch now?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:51 PM
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70. Fuck you, Scalia.
Somebody had to say it.

What a gross pig that man is.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:08 PM
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73. Raise your hand if you hope waterboarding is still legal when Fat Tony goes to prison
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 08:09 PM by TOJ
He's a liar and a criminal.
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jamesA Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:48 PM
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80. Amen
Amen
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 03:06 AM
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88. The Statue of Liberty treatment would be so much better
They could even fund his entire rehabilitation treatment with sales of lottery tickets

The winner of the lottery gets to be the one flipping the switch :-)
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:47 PM
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74. i thought nixon did file suits.
asked the google real quick, but didn't find it. i could swear that there were a handful of suits filed that quietly got settled long after the election.
i could be wrong.
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ornotna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:54 PM
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82. Nice little write up about it in Slate
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 11:54 PM by notawol
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:07 AM
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103. just like those f&^%&$#s
i like the mention that if they had recounted illinois, they would have found more votes for kennedy than nixon. still today- the dems rule chicago, but the thugs run the rest of the state.
and yet, the myth continues, all the way to the supreme court. sad.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:25 AM
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98. here you go
It's a seldom-discussed point when this whole issue comes up, but Nixon supporters DID file several challenges before he made his statement about NOT challenging further to preserve America's reputation as a thriving democracy:

from Wikipedia:

Nixon lost the 1960 election narrowly. It is often argued by American historians that Nixon lost due to the invention of the televised debate. There were charges of vote fraud in Texas and Illinois, and Nixon supporters unsuccessfully challenged in both states as well as nine others. The Kennedy camp successfully challenged Nixon's victory in Hawaii; after all the court battles and recounts were done, Kennedy had a greater number of electoral votes than he held after Election Day.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:46 PM
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77. The Nitters always blame the victims.....Bastid.....I hope he go hunting w Cheney soon.
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jamesA Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:47 PM
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79. Impeach Scalia now!!
It's all political.
And all's fair in politics.
Tired of the Conservatives controlling the High Court?
Impeach Scalia now to make room for a new justice appointed by President Obama.
Clinotn's impeachment was political, so what goes around comes around.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:00 AM
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83. This charlatan needs to be removed from the bench
You can't disbar him and get him off it, though- we'd have to IMPEACH his sorry ass.

My apologies for the seven-letter apparent cussword that starts with 'I'.....
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:40 AM
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86. Scalia is a total failure!!!
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:25 AM
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93. Wasn't it the Repubs who actually instituted the 1st legal action?
To stop the recounts?
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Poor Richard Lex Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 07:20 AM
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95. Scalia, judges are supposed to be impartial
You violate your judicial canons. A lot of alert americans have known this for some time but now you have admitted it.

In Scalia's mind it was ok for the gop to steal an election b/c the democrats had stolen one for Kennedy. Idiot. He is happy to believe that with no proof whatsoever and let that belief affect his judicial decisionmaking.

Scalia was prejudiced against Gore b/c he thought that Gore should have taken Nixon's route. Perhaps Nixon didnt want a close look at election practices? Maybe he had some dirt he wanted to stay hidden. I'm thinking Gore had nothing to hide.

How is this cretin even an attorney, much less a judge? The fact that he is SCOTUS is astonishingly insane.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 07:27 AM
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96. Up yours, Tony.
You are a disgrace to your profession.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 09:39 AM
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101. fuck fat tony. he is one of the most vile americans living today.
on a par with president-mum babs.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 09:54 AM
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102. Partisan judge. So in other words he ruled the way he did as revenge for Kennedy vs. Nixon
Congress should impeach that judge.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:10 AM
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104. Yet even after the Bush v. Gore disaster, the Disaster Democrats welcomed Robertson and Alito.
Gotta love these Democrats. With friends like these, who needs enemies?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:18 AM
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107. That's not fair.
They're keeping their powder dry for the year 3042. That's when they'll actually get really upset and do something. You just wait and see. They'll show these Republicans once and for all in the next millenium......maybe.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:20 AM
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108. Shallow Tony will be go down in history as an infamous partisan fool.
And his constant lame excuses are just going to make him appear more foolish.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:11 AM
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109. If Scalia allowed the recount to finish Bush was history, end of story...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:43 AM
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110. Email the article author, if you'd like to help educate him...
toby.harnden@telegraph-usa.com

Personally, I found the article insultingly ignorant of the facts given the author is supposed to be the Daily Telegraph's US Editor, and so have emailed him directly, and am pondering a followup to the Telegraph's editors.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 01:39 PM
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115. Yeah, sure, blame the victim.
The disgusting practice of the typical felon.

And his decision surely was absolutely right ... wing.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 03:51 PM
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119. Scablia avoids two fundamental pts: stolen election OUGHT to be challenged; and
Edited on Fri Jun-27-08 03:51 PM by Supersedeas
if all the votes in FL were counted - Gore would be President PERIOD.

Frankly, his defensiveness about the case is revealing--he knows that he was WRONG and is attempting to shift the blame.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:25 PM
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126. Why post anything reported in the Telegraph? I was advised that it is a conservative rag.....
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:28 PM
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127. What a d**chebag! Bush v. Gore Look it up!!!!!!!!!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:14 PM
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128. No Justice Shithead, YOU made all this happen. Stop lying and
remember, Hell is waiting for you with open arms. :)
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:33 PM
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129. Fuck him. n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 08:04 PM
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132. So if the law is not followed, it's the plaintiff's fault for trying to
obtain relief?

Why is this moran on the highest court in the land?

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:45 PM
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133. breath-taking
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