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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:33 PM
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15,000 Protesters Defy Government in Seoul
Source: NY Times

By CHOE SANG-HUN
Published: June 29, 2008

... More than 15,000 people demonstrated in central Seoul on Saturday evening, despite a warning from President Lee Myung Bak that he would begin to deal sternly with protesters who have disrupting his government for almost two months.

Ms. Rice met with Mr. Lee and Foreign Minister Yu Myung Hwan here on Saturday, following progress in efforts to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear programs. North Korea submitted a long-delayed account of its nuclear programs last week and demolished part of its main nuclear complex.

But in Seoul the protests against American beef eclipsed the talks on North Korea’s nuclear status, posing a challenge to officials here and in Washington.

The demonstrations protesting the importation of American beef began in early May and dwindled over the past two weeks. But they appeared to pick up momentum again after the government moved to lift the import ban on Thursday. Many South Koreans fear that American beef is not safe from mad cow disease ...

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/world/asia/29korea.html?_r=1&ref=asia&oref=slogin



Rice urges Koreans to trust govt over US beef

SEOUL (AFP) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged South Koreans Saturday to trust official assurances that US beef is safe, following weeks of sometimes violent protests against the resumption of imports ...

About 15,000 people, according to police estimates, squared off against riot units in central Seoul Saturday night. Police fired water cannons to disperse protesters who hurled eggs at officers and smashed windows of police buses.

Rice got a close-up look at the protests when about 20 people gathered outside the foreign ministry as she arrived for talks with her counterpart, Yu Myung-Hwan.

"We don't need US troops, we don't need US mad cows," read one sign ...

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hX29EQtIK-UQqb3EjnZ6BpEowk_Q
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:56 PM
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1. Everybody loves freetrade agreements!
sarcasm!!!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 08:48 PM
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2. Koreans tell Ms Rice "Trust, but verify". nt
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:49 PM
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3. Sure we only test 1% of our beef
But look, it's not like 50% of Americans are already fucking violent psychopaths...
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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4. Clashes in Seoul over US beef row
Source: BBC

South Korean police have used water cannon to disperse thousands of people in the capital Seoul protesting against the resumption of US beef imports.

The protests took place as US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice insisted in Seoul that US beef was safe to eat.

South Korea suspended US beef imports in 2003 after a case of mad cow disease, or BSE, was identified there.

Earlier this week, it formally lifted the ban, allowing shipments of meat from young US cattle.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7479560.stm
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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5. no beef no korean cars? US beef is not mad cowing ppl here that we know of nt
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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6. Two reasons: 1. We're not really looking. 2. Takes several years to develop. nt
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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8. Our meat supply is not safe
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 03:32 AM by Cobalt-60
The fascists have not only almost stopped inspecting but have shown their eagerness to get sick cattle into the slaughter house.
I won't willingly touch a gram of it until the Ag Department has been purged of Busheviks and brought up to full strength.
The Koreans should let it rot on the shelves.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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7. I studied mad cow disease in a report for cell biology
At the time - roughly eight years ago, it takes about seven years for the symptoms to develop in humans. There has been no enlightenment of the American public about this because it would devastate the catte industry.

The point that the Koreans seem to be making that is relevant to me here. The US has lost control of its government regultions - everything from DoD to EPA to CDC has been politicized....There are no regulations on cororate America. Americans do not know what is being imported from abroad (contaminated dog food is a case in point) - and other countries do not trust US controls of products being exported.


:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :wtf:
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GoreDean2008 Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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9. S Korean President Is Beating Up the Peaceful Protesters
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 09:59 AM by GoreDean2008
To force-feed them with U.S. beefs. S Koreans riot police hit peaceful protesters of all ages and all genders with water cannons, fire extinguishers, and clubs. Moreover, S Korean president's former communications adviser, who is also a Protestant pastor, called the protesters "Satan." Then many of South Korea's mega-church right-wing pastors called the protesters "Satan" while he was the communications adviser. And S Korean president Lee Myung Bak is perfectly fine with such name callings because he is an elder of a right-wing mega-church in S Korea. Lee Myung Bak also relies too much on the advices of corrupt, greedy, right-wing mega-church pastors in S Korea.

S Korea's three conservative newspapers, Chosun, Joongang, and Dong-a (CJD), used to warn last year that U.S. beefs are not safe. Back then S Korea's president was non-conservative centrist Roh Moo-Hyun. Now that their favorite conservative Lee Myung Bak decided to import U.S. beefs, CJD is calling the protesters anti-U.S., pro-N Korea lefties to defend Lee Myung Bak. Since the 80s, when S Korea's right-wing military regime had no legitimacy, S Korea's right wings formed a habit of relying on the U.S. and calling anyone who oppose them on any issues anti-U.S., pro-N Korea lefties, even when the issue had nothing to do with the U.S.

And S Korea's police chief who oversees the entire riot police operation has a brother alleged for running a brothel under the police protection.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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10. Sounds like a corrupt, fascist regime is installed there.
Fuck what the people desire, doubly so if those desires interfere with corporate profits.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:57 PM
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11. Did you also learn that after the peak of the epidemic in the UK
the peak of human diagnosis was only about 200 people? Rate of infection is pretty damn low.

from the CDC http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/qa.htm

Is BSE a foodborne hazard in the United States?

Strong evidence indicates that BSE has been transmitted to humans primarily in the United Kingdom, causing a variant form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD). In the United Kingdom, where over 1 million cattle may have been infected with BSE, a substantial species barrier appears to protect humans from widespread illness. Since variant CJD was first reported in 1996, a total of 195 patients with this disease from 11 countries have been identified. As of August 11, 2006, variant CJD cases have been reported from the following countries: 162 from the United Kingdom, 20 from France, 4 from Ireland, 2 from the United States (including the current case), and one each from Canada, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, and Spain. Similar to the two U.S. cases, two of the four cases from Ireland and the single cases from Canada and Japan were likely exposed to the BSE agent while residing in the United Kingdom. One of the 20 French cases may also have been infected in the United Kingdom.The risk to human health from BSE in the United States is extremely low.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:07 PM
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12. The issue is much bigger than Mad Cow.
U.S.-dominated "free trade" has decimated local food production, in South Korea, Mexico, Jamaica and other places. That's what its aim is--to undercut the price of locally produced, fresh food, by dumping U.S. corporate ag imports on the market. And that includes not just beef, but also dairy, wheat, rice, vegetable produce and other foods. Many South Korean small farmers have committed suicide, because their way of life, and their living, have been destroyed. Families and communities have been destroyed. Small farmers' ability to pass their farming skills to their children has been destroyed--skills that have sustained the country for thousands of years--gone in less than a generation. This is not really an isolated political issue. It is tragedy. And not just for Korea, but for the world--because it is happening in so many places.

Mad Cow and other problems with globally transported food, of course, is a globalisation issue. How do you know what it is in food that has come half way round the world? But food globalisation is a much bigger economic and environmental issue--in South Korea and elsewhere--than just potential diseases and toxins. It is an assault on the world's food chain that could wipe the human race off the face of the earth. When you destroy local farmers, and a country's food self-sufficiency, you are laying the foundation for catastrophic starvation. When you infuse GMO crops into a local economy, and into a local ecology, you could well be creating the Irish potato famine, writ large. Small farmers are conservative by nature. They save seed. They cherish and foster biodiversity. And they are accountable, locally, for the qualities of their food. Rip this system apart--and you not only destroy specific lives and businesses and family and community traditions--you seriously endanger whole countries and all of humanity.



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On another issue, AP reported the June 11 protest at 80,000 (which means 160,000). The NYT is now saying that the protest has "dwindled." But that's not how it works. You can't keep 160,000 people in the streets for weeks and weeks. What happened in Seattle '99, for instance, was that 50,000 people marched on one day, then, a day later, 10,000 people, committed to civil disobedience, shut down the WTO by a peaceful sit-in in intersections. It's not that the 50,000 weren't with the 10,000 in spirit (and often in support). They were. It's that people with kids, people with jobs, people who are caretakers, elderly people, people who had traveled long distances to get there, people with farm animals and farms, people too poor to rent hotel rooms, etc.--lots of people can't just stay and keep protesting. It's all they can do to get to the big march and get home. To say that the protest has "dwindled" is a fundamental mis-characterization of what is occurring. But the NYT, of course, couldn't give a fuck if poor people have nowhere to stay Seoul, or don't have a limo to get them home. "Dwindling" is what the NYT desires, for the world's poor. Pay U.S. corporate ag for beef--at the risk of Mad Cow, hormones, superbugs, heart disease, and the end of South Korean food production--and then "dwindle, peons!"



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