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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:46 PM
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NGO claims the US was involved in coup against Chávez
Source: El Universal - opposition newspaper

Caracas, lunes 28 de julio, 2008
Nacional y Política

NGO claims the US was involved in coup against Chávez

The United States was "involved" in the failed 2002 coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. However, the US role is still unknown, said on Monday US non-governmental organization National Security Archive.

Peter Kornbluh, director of Cuba and Chile documentation projects for the National Security Archive, said, "I have no doubts that the United States was involved in the coup attempt against Chávez," Efe reported in Santiago, Chile.

The Venezuelan leader has repeatedly accused the US of being behind the plot against his government.

Kornbluh participated on Monday in the seminar "Human Rights and access to public information", held in Santiago. The researcher said that his NGO has obtained a group of documents "showing that the US, its intelligence service and its government were aware of the coup well ahead of it."



Opposition newspaper


Read more: http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/07/28/en_pol_art_ngo-claims-the-us-wa_28A1844199.shtml
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:49 PM
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1. Wow -- do these folks see the writing on the wall or what?!
:wow:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:51 PM
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2. I watched the attempted coup on television (not sure if I was seeing it
as it was actually happening, but what I saw was filmed live and very much occurring as it was being filmed), and it had the USA stamp all over it. It was one scary piece of documentation.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:56 PM
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4. The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Taking its title from a poem/song by Gil Scott-Heron, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised is an award-winning international documentary. Irish filmmakers Kim Bartley and Donnacha O'Briain went to Venezuela to make a documentary about the charismatic, democratically elected president, Hugo Chavez. Very popular with the Venezuelan people, Chavez is a firm supporter of socialism and a redistribution of wealth from the oil profits in his country. He's also an outspoken opponent of the Bush administration's tactics in Afghanistan. In April 2002, the filmmakers ended up witnessing the failed coup that took place when a group of oil-interested parties tried to remove Chavez from office. Pedro Carmona was supposed to be installed as the new leader. However, due to the loyalty of his people, Chavez was back in power in 48 hours. While the state-controlled media (Channel 8 in Venezuela) gave the president a call-in show to talk with the public, privatized media outlets reported that pro-Chavez supporters had fired on an anti-Chavez march. After making its U.S. premiere at the 2003 South by Southwest Film Festival, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (also known as Chavez: Inside the Coup) has aired around the world on the RTE, BBC, and CBC. ~ Andrea LeVasseur, All Movie Guide
http://www.answers.com/topic/the-revolution-will-not-be-televised

:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:01 PM
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6. OT: Vivala, have you seen the updates here:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:49 AM
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22. oh good!
Thanky my dear. :hug:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:59 PM
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5. They blew it by not clearing journalist from the capitol building
before they decided to move.

That is one scary piece of film and one we should all watch.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:54 PM
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3. I have no doubts either
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:11 PM
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7. viva Chavez
on to the greatest page w/ you

:kick:
dp
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:25 PM
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8. THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:38 AM
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16. Yup. Pretty much shows it all in real time as the coup actually goes down.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:48 PM
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31. Yeah, controlling the voting machines is so much less...messy...n/t
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 06:50 PM by Dover


And if that doesn't finish the job, they can just send some anthrax in the mail.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:33 PM
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9. Gee, didn't everybody already know this?
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 10:38 PM by starroute
Central to the effort was a group called the International Republican Institute, which likes to engage in do-it-yourself regime change. (See, for example, http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/iri-ven.htm or http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2004/11/11_401.html)

The chairman of the IRI since 1993 has been a guy named John McCain -- you may have heard of him.

There was actually kind of an interesting article in today's New York Times on McCain and the IRI's fat-cat donors. I'm surprised it's not up on the greatest page -- it really ought to be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/us/politics/28IRI.html?ex=1374984000&en=a54f90570e8f9076&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Over the years, Mr. McCain has nurtured a reputation for bucking the Republican establishment and criticizing the influence of special interests in politics. But an examination of his leadership of the Republican institute — one of the least-chronicled aspects of his political life — reveals an organization in many ways at odds with the political outsider image that has become a touchstone of the McCain campaign for president.

Certainly the institute’s mission is in keeping with Mr. McCain’s full-throated support for exporting American democratic values. Yet the institute is also something of a revolving door for lobbyists and out-of-power Republicans that offers big donors a way of helping both the party and the institute’s chairman, who is the only sitting member of Congress — and now candidate for president — ever to head one of the democracy groups.

Operating without the sort of limits placed on campaign fund-raising, the institute under Mr. McCain has solicited millions of dollars for its operations from some 560 defense contractors, lobbying firms, oil companies and other corporations, many with issues before Senate committees Mr. McCain was on.

Recently, he has drawn criticism for involving lobbyists in his presidential campaign; under Mr. McCain, 14 of them have served on the institute’s board, some representing governments or organizations in countries where the group was carrying out programs.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:34 PM
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10. His head is holeless
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 10:36 PM by Pavulon
so I think not. Look at our work in the region. He was in custody, we would have executed him.

There is no foia paper on this yet, so it is all opinion.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:58 PM
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12. Oh, god. You pretend that Bush would willingly turn over documents on this?
One of his first acts was to seal his dad's Presidential papers, and Bill Clinton's, and everyone recognized he plans to seal his own, as well.

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:05 AM
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15. To some, it can't possibly be "official"
unless the words have been uttered by important white males who serve in the U.S. government.

Such fools.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:18 AM
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23. The frustration & disappointment ooze.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:03 AM
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26. The commie killer checks in.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:16 PM
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28. So is mine, I guess you failed at killing a "communista" again...
What an idiot you are.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:55 PM
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11. I'm glad to see this get on the front page.
If I could I would recommend it again. And again.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:57 PM
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13. k*r Great one

It sure looked like we were involved. I don't recall the sources but it was out there.

Nobody every went too wrong by assuming the worst from the Bush administration.

The source for this, the National Security Archive at
George Washington University in D.C. is a national treasure.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:33 AM
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14. The United States involved in a coup against a sovereign country ? Impossible!

Oh wait...Spanish American war...puppet dictators put in place in The Philippines and Cuba...

1953 Iran,1954 Guatemala,The 60s South Vietnam,1973 Chili,1989 Puppet Noriega tried to cut his strings:U.S Invasion,2003 Iraq.

Nope.The United States have certainly nothing to do with the coup against Chávez.

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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:56 AM
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17. ex Iran-Contra felons Elliot Abrams and Otto Reich met with the plotters.
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 01:59 AM by FreepFryer
(excerpted from the UK's Guardian, April 21, 2002)

The failed coup in Venezuela was closely tied to senior officials in the US government, The Observer has established. They have long histories in the 'dirty wars' of the 1980s, and links to death squads working in Central America at that time.
Washington's involvement in the turbulent events that briefly removed left-wing leader Hugo Chavez from power last weekend resurrects fears about US ambitions in the hemisphere.

It also also deepens doubts about policy in the region being made by appointees to the Bush administration, all of whom owe their careers to serving in the dirty wars under President Reagan.

One of them, Elliot Abrams, who gave a nod to the attempted Venezuelan coup, has a conviction for misleading Congress over the infamous Iran-Contra affair.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela



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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:59 AM
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18. This is news?
Wasn't this well known already? Greg Palast covered it in great detail in Armed Madhouse and I seem to remember it being all over the BBC and the London Times at the time.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:02 AM
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19. It may be news that it is being published in a newspaper which was a strong supporter of the coup
and works feverishly daily against Chavez. The owner of Universal, Andrés Mata Osorio has always been wildly anti-Chavez, and his papers threw themselves into the media attempt to instigate rebellion leading up to the coup.

It's covered in this article, and will show up in any searches if you take the time:

HOW HATE MEDIA INCITED THE COUP AGAINST THE PRESIDENT
Venezuela’s press power

Never even in Latin American history has the media been so directly involved in a political coup. Venezuela’s ’hate media’ controls 95% of the airwaves and has a near-monopoly over newsprint, and it played a major part in the failed attempt to overthrow the president, Hugo Chávez, in April. Although tensions in the country could easily spill into civil war, the media is still directly encouraging dissident elements to overthrow the democratically elected president - if necessary by force.

By Maurice Lemoine

http://mondediplo.com/2002/08/10venezuela

~~~~~~~~~

The original posts also mentions Peter Kornbluh says he has documents, and he's not one who throws words around, EVER.
Peter Kornbluh is director of the National Security Archive's Chile Documentation Project and of the Cuba Documentation Project. He played a large role in the campaign to declassify government documents, via the FOIA, relating to the history of the U.S. Government's support for the Pinochet dictatorship <1>. He is the author of several books, most recently The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountablity (New Press). Kenneth Maxwell wrote a review in November/December 2003 issue of Foreign Affairs, creating a controversy about Henry Kissinger's involvement in Operation Condor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kornbluh
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:47 AM
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21. "HOW HATE MEDIA INCITED THE COUP AGAINST THE PRESIDENT"
kinda like how our hate media incited the murder (they used 'kill' -- you can 'kill' an ant, not murder it) of liberals?

In this case, church-going, so-called liberals. :(
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:07 AM
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20. Since the coup was against a popular, competent leader, and since it
failed, it has all the hallmarks of a typical CIA operation.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:05 AM
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25. And it was a country that produces oil. nt
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:03 AM
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24. i didn't know this was news
and i can't recall the name of the movie, but i watched it online. no doubt. i'm at work or would attempt to find the leak.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:50 AM
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27. Check out this '04 Max Blumenthal interview from Democracy Now (McCain's IRI)::
July 20, 2004
Did the Bush Administration Allow a Network of Right-Wing Republicans to Foment a Violent Coup in Haiti?

We speak with Max Blumenthal contibutor to Salon.com and author of a new investigative piece that examines the role of the United States in destabilizing the democratically-elected government of Jean Bertrand-Aristide through the International Republican Institute, a federally-funded, nonprofit political group backed by powerful Republicans close to the Bush administration.

-snip

The IRI, a nonprofit political group backed by powerful Republicans close to the Bush administration, initiated the destabilization of Aristide’s government by imposing harsh sanctions, training Aristide’s political opponents and encouraging them to reject internationally-sanctioned power-sharing agreements. Haiti’s political crisis eventually escalated into violence until Aristide was overthrown in February of this year in what he calls a modern-day kidnapping in the service of a coup backed by the United States.

-snip

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Well, to tell you about Stanley Lucas, and he is the program officer for the International Republican Institute, or I.R.I.‘s Haiti program. I.R.I. is active in 50 countries worldwide on a mission to “promote democracy”. In many of their programs, through their means, what they have demonstrated is something quite different. They have demonstrated—I.R.I has demonstrated a penchant for backing opponents in regimes deemed hostile to the U.S. and specifically to conservative interests, and I.R.I.’s program in Haiti has been probably its most bellicose thanks to Stanley Lucas. In Haiti there’s two sectors of Haitian society that are the traditional obstructionists to progressive change. Number one, that’s the industrial sector of the mulatto elite who run the sweatshops and lead the civil society wing of Aristide’s opposition. And two, there’s the military, which guarantees the conditions by which the elite can operate their sweatshops. Aristide disbanded the military in 1995, so, you know, the military hates him. Stanley Lucas is a bridge between these two sectors. He was schooled in Haiti’s finest schools with members of the mulatto elite. At the same time, he comes from a wealthy land owning family close to the Duvalier regime, which ruled Haiti with an iron fist for decades. His family is close to the military. Two of Stanley Lucas’s cousins massacred—organized a massacre of 250 peasants, in 1987, who were protesting for land reform after the Duvalier regime crumbled. The massacre—it was a terrible massacre documented by Amnesty International and described to me by someone who witnessed it firsthand. You would think that someone from this background wouldn’t be able to get a position at a group like the International Republican Institute that promotes democracy. However, Stanley Lucas is a valuable asset to them. He is a judo master who allegedly trained the military in counter insurgency tactics after the Duvalier regime collapsed. He was hired in 1992, but I don’t know why he was hired. When I asked I.R.I.‘s communications director why he was hired, he refused to tell me why, or what his duties consisted of between 1992 and 1998. A lot of people I spoke to suspect that Stanley Lucas is a CIA asset, including former ambassador—former U.S. Ambassador in the region. So, when Stanley Lucas was hired in 1992, the country was controlled by a military junta called FRAPP, which had ousted Aristide in 1990—in the first coup in that country. Frappe was busy massacring thousands of Aristide supporters. One off the recorded sources, who lived with Lucas, working with Lucas, in Haiti, told me he saw documents indicating that while Lucas was working for I.R.I., he was being paid by Michelle Francois, who was a notorious FRAPP leader. Stanley Lucas is an impeccable dresser, a smooth operater and a lady’s man with a broad smile and childlike demeanor that will put his enemies at ease. You have behind that facade an evil man who has been given way too much power. In my piece, I compared him to Achmed Chalabi, because Stanley Lucas is a card-carrying Republican who managed to ingratiate himself with powerful Republicans in Washington. He lobbied for the opposition to Aristide and managed to tie quite a bit of funding to them and introduced a number of Aristide’s most virulent opponents to powerful Republicans in Washington. When I.R.I.‘s campaign to destabilize Haiti began in earnest in 1998 with a $2 million grant in mostly taxpayer money from the U.S. Agency for International Development, Lucas hosted some of Aristide’s most virulent opponents in political training sessions. What he did was he merged all of these disparate groups into one big party called the Democratic Convergence. Now, the Democratic Convergence is not a traditional political party, it’s more like the political wing of a coup, because the strategy that it took was to forego the democratic process entirely. Boycott elections and initiate what seemed like an endless sequence of provocative protests. Between 2000 and 2002, the Democratic Convergence rejected over 20 internationally sanctioned power sharing agreements which heightened the tension and provoked more violence. At the time, the U.S. Ambassador, who was named Brian Dean Curran, a Clinton appointee, who was a highly respected career diplomat, uncovered evidence that Stanley Lucas was the one encouraging the Democratic Convergence to reject the compromises and to stay out of the democratic process. When he presented this evidence to the U.S. Agency for International Development, and he asked them to block Stanley Lucas from the program, Bush’s Assistant Secretary for the Western Hemisphere, Roger Noriega, apparently stepped in, and within four months—Lucas was barred for four months, but after four months, he was back. So, when he—when Lucas returned to the program, he retaliated against Ambassador Curran. What he did was he spread salacious rumors in Port-au-Prince in—and in Washington about Curran’s personal life. If I repeated these rumors, it would make Dick Cheney look like Ward Cleaver. It’s unheard of for someone like Lucas to actually sabotage a U.S. Ambassador. Lucas threatened two embassy officials and told them they would be fired once the real—“Real” U.S. policy was implemented. In 2003, Curran was forced to resign in disgust because of Lucas’s activities and the fact that Bush administration seemed to give Lucas their tacit approval. A number of embassy officials I spoke to were removed from Haiti by Roger Noriega for opposing what Stanley Lucas was doing in part. So this whole sad episode that led up to the coup was allowed to occur because of Bush’s policy of studied neglect in South America.

-snip

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/20/did_the_bush_administration_allow_a


AND FROM YESTERDAY'S NYT ON MCCAIN'S IRI-INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICAN INSTITUTE:

Democracy Group Gives Donors Access to McCain

HONORS FROM THE CHAIRMAN Senator John McCain presenting Freedom Awards from the International Republican Institute to Vice President Dick Cheney in 2001; Condoleezza Rice, now the secretary of state, in 2004; and President Bush in 2005.

By MIKE McINTIRE
Published: July 28, 2008
As Senator John McCain waited to speak at the annual awards dinner of the International Republican Institute, a democracy-building group he has led for 15 years, lobbyists and business executives dominated the stage at a Washington hotel ballroom.


First up that night in September 2006 was the institute’s vice chairman, Peter T. Madigan, a McCain campaign fund-raiser and lobbyist whose clients span the globe, from Dubai to Colombia. He thanked Timothy P. McKone, an AT&T lobbyist and McCain fund-raiser, for helping with the dinner arrangements and then introduced the chairman of AT&T,Edward E. Whitacre Jr., whose company had donated $200,000 for the event.

-snip

Today, with a budget of about $78 million and 400 employees working in 70 countries, the Republican institute has grown in size and stature. Its recent work has included organizing debates for candidates in Iraq, conducting a rare public opinion poll in Cuba and training political parties in Belarus.

Yet while the institute says its activities are nonpartisan and peaceful, left-leaning groups have long accused it of improper meddling in pursuit of a neoconservative agenda. A former American ambassador to Haiti has asserted that institute operatives undermined reconciliation efforts among Haitian political rivals, contributing to a coup in 2004. Two years earlier, the institute was criticized after its president at the time, George A. Folsom, praised a coup attempt against Venezuela’s leftist president, Hugo Chávez.

Major staffing decisions and appointments are a board matter; as chairman, Mr. McCain has played a significant, often decisive, role. His early choices show an attempt to balance the demands of politics, professionalism and personal loyalty. Bucking party officials, Mr. McCain successfully pushed for R. Bruce McColm, a human rights expert who was not an active Republican, to replace Mr. Buechner. John Dowd, the senator’s personal lawyer in the Keating Five scandal during the savings-and-loan crisis, became the institute’s general counsel, and Mr. Craner became vice president.

-snip

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/us/politics/28IRI.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:20 PM
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29. K&R. Many of us knew this. Let's hope somebody in the MSM picks it up.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:45 PM
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30. K&R!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:22 PM
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32. I think we all knew this
I remember something about a video of the storming of the government building. I may be wrong.

But it's certainly not a stretch to imagine Bushco being on the side of the rich aristocracy in a battle with the "socialist/communist" Chavez.
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