LiveWire: Delegates being blocked - police confrontation imminent

[The Sushi Bandit]

Source: Twin Cities Indy Media

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:38updatemore cops headed to wabasha and kellogg ** 1 arrest @ mears park - cops knocked person off bike. **9th and robert: cops forming up with shields - will hold intersection there ** mulberry and kellogg being used as delegate entrance **Campus Antiwar Network is holding 5th/sibley with soft blockade **

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:32Portland Indymedia RNC LIVE WEB RADIO COVERAGE!cred_rating: FiveLive at http://portland.indymedia.org RNC web radio coverage. They will be on all day covering the events taking place, and giving updates. Useful information such as legal numbers, coldsnap updates, tips for protesters, and live call-ins.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:32updatelegal observers needed at jackson/7th - busses are being blockaded (soft) there! - bike cops on way ** delegates being blocked on foot between wabasha and st. peter on kellogg - police confrontation imminent

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:29UPDATElarge bus staging ground spotted underneath lafayette/52 bridge, between warner road and kellogg. **kellogg and st peter blockade is still strong - 10 mounted police just arrived ** riot police heading towards st. peter and 7th

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:16peace marchcorporate media reporting numbers at peace march at 10,000 or less. likely accurate according to IMC activists there.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:086th/wall18 confirmed arrests there. more likely coming. legal observers not being allowed to observe. ** steady stream of pepper spray injuries coming to northstar collective clinic at 639 Jackson; medics headed to jail with supplies shortly

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:04updateprotesters trapped at 7th/st. peter REINFORCEMENTS NEEDED! ** windows broken wabasha/6th by macy's

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:59updateAn NLG lawyer is trapped in the illegal detainment at randolph and shepard ** coldsnap: cops lining up at 7th and ceder, cops trying to divide lawful from unlawful protesters

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:55updatearrestee from kellog/johnireland peppersprayed, injured, denied medical attention ** police forming scrimmage on 7th/st.peter to block protesters ** several cop cars smashed 6th/st.peter ** randolph/shepard surrounded - cops say they won't let anyone go


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[Divine Discontent]

1. oh my...

praying for their safety.


MORE AT www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[Uncle Joe]

2. Thanks for the updates, The Sushi Bandit.

Kicked and recommended.

[The Sushi Bandit]

6. Your welcome!

[joneschick]

3. thanks for the continuing updates

i'm told none of this is showing up in the local news....I'm just feeding your updates to, well, to people there. thanks. :hi:

[The Sushi Bandit]

7. Thanks and ,..

keep the feeds up!

[Curtland1015]

4. This is disgraceful on both sides.

Protesting is one thing, but actually trying to block the delegates? Damaging property? That is nothing but pointless.

If the police ARE arresting peaceful protesters, using pepper spray and denying medical attention, that is just horrific.

[stillcool]

8. there's always two sides..

unfortunately this crap started days ago, with preemptive actions taken by Homeland Security. It's only going to get worse. It's what happens when you throw gas on the fire.

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. Welcome to the Police State of Amerika...nt

[The Sushi Bandit]

9. LiveWire:NLG lawyers denied entrance to Jail - secret service in force

Source: Twin Cities indy media

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:33updatecred_rating: Fourcoldsnap: "van-load of female-bodied people" taken away in unmarked van from 7th/wall ** cops moving in on kellogg/minnesota ** POLICE POLITELY REQUESTED INTO TIN CAN COMMS BLDG; DENIED ENTRY **

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:29updatecred_rating: Foursoft blockade going up at kellogg/minnesota ** METRO TRANSIT service into downtown saint paul has been suspended

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:25updatecred_rating: Four12 people being cuffed and loaded into vans on wall between 6th/7th ** funk the war is now moving south on minnesota st.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:24jailcoldsnap: the report about the jail on lockdown came from NLG lawyers denied entrance. they were told it was in effect until 3:30pm.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:17updatecred_rating: Four30-40 people @ kellogg/wabasha to be given dispersal order. massive police presence coming there ** 1 person detained in car at kellogg/mulberry - 40 riot cops surrounding plus secret service. ** funk the war moving north on wabasha

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:15updatearrests @ 7th and Wall = approximately 28.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:12updatecred_rating: FiveSibley near Mississippi river: standoff with police. one reporter assaulted, camera taken.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:06UPDATEcred_rating: FourTwo arrests on 5th and minnesota. ** Cops running over people at kellogg and wabasha. ** **Ramsey county jail refusing to allow lawyers in. On lockdown. ** St. Joes Hospital on lockdown, denying water. ** Sleeping dragons on I94 7th St exit!

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:58updateseveral busses, some fully occupied, sighted on kellogg blvd just west of lafayette bridge. many near I94 and 52 (same area) ** delegates seen walking in from mulberry and kellogg - mulberry is 2 blocks outside perimeter. **platoon of cops being sent to kellogg/st. peter

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 14:54update6 detained at chestnut and shepard. ** NEED REINFORCEMENTS at 4th and wabasha action.



Read more: http://tc.indymedia.org/

[orleans]

10. could you decode this for me please? what does it mean?

on edit: i think i just found out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3899436

[IndianaGreen]

11. They are "enemy combatants"

This is what happens when we no longer have a Constitution, all thanks to the GOP and the Dems that surrendered to them.

[The Sushi Bandit]

12. LiveWire:POLICE VIOLENCE MULTIPLE PROTESTERS DOWN

Source: Twin Cities Indy Media

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 16:01UPDATEcred_rating: Fourpeople being kicked in head by horses on kellogg

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:59POLICE VIOLENCEcred_rating: FiveBLACK BLOC PLUS OTHERS ARE BEING PUSHED NORTH ON ROBERT. LOTS OF SPPD WITH GAS MASKS AND BIKES AND ROBERT KEEPING PEOPLE IN. SEVERAL RUBBER BULLET WOUNDS REPORTED - MULTIPLE PROTESTERS DOWN

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:54updatecred_rating: Fourprojectiles fired on kellogg b/t wabasha and cedar; massive numbers pepper sprayed; black bloc dragging barricades into street. also concussion grenades. reports coming in to tcimc of several injuries from rubber bullets on 6th street. MEDICS needed on 6th, and on Kellogg!

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:51upDATEcred_rating: Fourcops putting on gas masks at mulberry/kellogg ** pepper spray used at cedar/kellogg

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:48arrestscred_rating: Four1 from pagan cluster arrested; punched in face; bleeding. ** medics arrested at 6th and wall number 2.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:40updatecred_rating: Four100s of police at Wabasha and 10th with gas masks - funk the war ** 50 riot police in full gear entering 20 unmarked cars along cedar/7th ** 300 people being stampeded by police horses at 2nd and kellogg (?) ** massive police presence at kellogg/wabasha - bridge occupied by riot cops including national guard. ** police platoons will be erected at cedar/kellogg and wabasha/kellogg

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:37updatecred_rating: Three2 arrests 6th/St Peter - possibly 1 medic ** COPS GETTING READY TO GAS FUNK THE WAR BLOCKADE. UNCONFIRMED REPORTS OF RUBBER BULLETS BEING SHOT. Legal observers needed now


Read more: http://tc.indymedia.org/

---

Also: 300 people being stampeded by police horses

[annabanana]

13. It's a police riot.

(recreate '68 you jack booted fuckers, right?)

[Psyop Samurai]

14. .

:kick:

[Generic Brad]

15. I saw no police violence today

I observed six arrests made. I did not see what triggered the apprehensions. But the police I saw handled the situations professionally and at no time did they exert unnecessary force.

I'm not saying this to refute anything Sushi Bandit has reported. It is obvious by police movement and traffic that weird activity is occurring throughout the city which I can't see. But all has been good in my little corner of the city.

But if someone damages property around here, I want them arrested.

[Doremus]

16. WTF?

[Generic Brad]

18. Sorry to disappoint you

I'm not saying it was completely peaceful in St Paul today. But from what I saw in the 2-1/2 hours I watched the parade go by my home I saw a peaceful protest.

I later saw some people getting arrested, but there was no violence on either side.

I know all kinds of bad stuff happened all around downtown today. But from where I am located, I did not see any of it occur.

And finally, I live and work downtown here. If someone damages my place of business, damned straight I want them arrested. People have a right to protest, but they do not have a right to smash windows or damage property that is not theirs. If they break shit, they deserve to be arrested.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

19. Is this violent?

I think so. A woman was pepper sprayed right in the face, for putting flowers in their gun barrels. She walked away with her hands over her face, and they sprayed her again!

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2008/09/01/pepper.mpg

[Generic Brad]

21. Yes, it's violent, but I didn't witness it first hand

Nothing like that happened in the area I could observe.

I agree with 95% of the protesters. OK?

But I did not witness any police brutality in over 2 and 1/2 hours. Why is that so hard to believe?

I am against police brutality and I am against the senseless destruction of property. Did both happen in my city today? Yes. Did I see it? No.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

22. Do you see any protesters or demonstrations where you are located?

[Generic Brad]

23. The parade route went around the building I live in

There were at least 70 policemen information at the corner of Minnesota and 7th forcing the protesters to go north on Minnesota. Everyone on both sides behaved themselves.

But after the parade was over there sure was a lot of movement by police and National Guard. It looked like there was something significant happening elsewhere. I just couldn't see what was going on anywhere else.

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. You must not have seen what I saw

I also have friends on the ground there. They have been calling and emailing all day to report the worst police brutality they have ever seen. Most were in Denver and say the St Paul cops are far far more violent.

[JBear]

17. This was the precursor to the Gulag...

I guess McCain read that one too! Absolutely incredible that this is happening in the 21st Century.

Mama, welcome to the 60s!

:bounce:

[alfredo]

20. XoX

[The Sushi Bandit]

.

[The Sushi Bandit]

25. .

[The Sushi Bandit]

26. LiveWire:codepink, w/ mothers against war, being pushed against wabasha bridge by 150 riot cops

Source: Twin Cities Indy Media

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 22:03arestees held without bookingcred_rating: FourColdsnap suggests several arrestees have not been booked but are being held at the Ramsey City Jail. They will not be seeing judges until wed.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 21:30SMITH, WABASHA, ROBERT ST BRIDGES ARE ALL CLOSEDcred_rating: FourThe only route open to south of the river from downtown is I35E. The nearest exit south of the river on I35E is Sibley Memorial Highway.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 21:28updated arrestee total from ramsey county sheriff's deptcred_rating: Four256 total; 119 felonies, 48 gross misdemeanors; 89 misdemeanors

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 21:07heads upcred_rating: Fourcoldsnap reports that the national guard is marching through downtown. *** smith ave high bridge is likely still blocked off by police, but convergence center will soon be closing for the night. use alternate routes.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 21:00Press Conference 9am Tuesdaycred_rating: FiveJoint PC 9am Tuesday at 400 Western Ave in St. Paul - the location of PPEHRC's "Bushville" encampment, with PPEHRC, Coalition to March on the RNC and Stop the War, and the RNC Welcoming Committee.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 20:56updatecred_rating: Fourearlier this hour - cops had blocked off smith avenue high bridge to convergence space on northern end.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 20:50UPDATEcred_rating: FivePolice authorities said of those arrested today, 73 were charged with felonies, 42 with gross misdemeanors, and 48 with misdemeanors.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 20:42updatecred_rating: Fourcoldsnap: sighting: 8 humvees, 10 buses headling from st. paul to brooklyn park - possibly national guard. ** ----CORRECTION---- Correction: 1st hearing for RNC arrestees 9 am at Law Center, Lafayette & Grove. 10:30 hearing @ main courthouse for seized items.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 20:30update codepink, w/ mothers against war, being pushed against wabasha bridge by 150 riot cops: coldsnap

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 20:23updatecred_rating: Fourcodepink rally surround by 50 riot cops at wabasha and kellogg, being pushed east on kellogg


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[luv_mykatz]

27. Code Pink shoved into a bridge.

Thank you so much for posting this information. With everything that is happening right now (Gustav,Palin, etc.), I fear that the incredible police state actions happening at the RNC will get lost in the background noise. I am new, so can't recommend, but I would if I was allowed.

[EFerrari]

28. Welcome to DU, luv_mykatz.

:)

[im1013]

29. Hey, I rec'd for ya!

Welcome luv_mykatz! I love the username, reminds me of myself (I have 11 cats).
People call me the cat mama.

:toast:

[Hugin]

30. And I provided a little kick.

I don't want this to get lost.

As, it seems to be the plan.

[bananas]

33. Welcome to DU, fantastic user name!

:hi:

[pnorman]

34. Please allow me to recommend in your behalf!

n/t

pnorman

[caseycoon]

44. Welcome to DU!

LOVE your user name.
:D

[NJCher]

31. at their own peril

this reminds me of a post documented with scholarly sources that I read here years ago. The post said that as capitalism goes into its last throes, the more control the state will need to exercise over the citizens. The control actually hastens the downfall of the system, in this case capitalism.

We can see this happening now and we see it in particular with the republicans, as they are the most rabid supporters of capitalism.



Cher

[bananas]

32. The future is not set in stone. nt

[The Wizard]

41. Capitalism is a ruse

for theocratic, totalitarian oligarchy. Our media works in conjunction with what the rulers want reported.
We've been fighting these people since July 4, 1776 through the fascism of the 1930s. We can never really eliminate thugs disguised as political leaders, but we must do our best to hold them in check, and whenever possible, make them accountable as happened in Nuremberg following WW II.
Hand counted paper ballots would go a long way to restoring some faith in election results. The Taliban rely on a faith based system of governance, as does Bush's best friend, the Saudi Royal family.
As Hitler's Black Shirts replaced the Brown Shirts, our formerly blue shirted police are now wearing all black.
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
(Sinclair Lewis)
Just a reminder: http://www.bushflash.com/nazi.html

[Suji to Seoul]

35. Sure, they can have all my Civil Privileges. I wasn't using them anyway.

I'm sure that third amendment will disappear soon as police, national guard and the military are allowed told to sleep in your house to keep tabs on you.

What's the flushing sound I hear? It's the sound of America going down the drain? And what's that I don't hear? Outrage? Why? Because most of my country will gladly stay willfully ignorant or flat out ignorant because critical thought has all but been destroyed in this country.

The Great American future. . ."get your papers ready and line up for a head count. Big Brother needs you."

[geckosfeet]

36. Hm. I presume that you meant "lack of critical thought".

[BridgeTheGap]

45. There are plenty of outraged people in this country.

More than enough to change things IF they/we are effectively organized. Most of the outraged folks simply don't know how or where to channel their outrage.

[Shiver]

37. And it's only been one day...

Seems slightly ironic that Limbaugh wanted riots at the DNC, to show people a calm and orderly RNC the following week... this is utterly deplorable, and no doubt Gustav and the following storms will blunt any actual coverage of this and similar events...

I'd rec as well, but, but I'm in the same boat as luv_mykatz...


~Shiver

[Nihil]

48. Now what do you think the great unwashed will remember of the coverage ...?

> Seems slightly ironic that Limbaugh wanted riots at the DNC, to show
> people a calm and orderly RNC the following week...

This reminded me of a quote from Heinlein's Starship Troopers:

>> "But, Father, he doesn’t do that at all! He — " I stopped, not knowing
>> how to describe it. Mr. Dubois had a snotty, superior manner; he acted
>> as if none of us was really good enough to volunteer for service.
>> I didn’t like him. "Uh, if anything, he discourages it."
>> "Hmmph! Do you know how to lead a pig? ..."


DNC: Convention went almost without incident. There were a few opposition
protesters and some false alarms that were hyped at the time but nothing
significant. Lots of speeches and political razzmatazz. No response to
the scare-mongering about "riots in the street".

RNC: Convention impacted by Gustav but main publicity is the fuss being
made over the VP designate's family and the (apparent) rioting of the
opposition protesters.

Who do you think that Joe Sixpack will believe are putting up a electoral
facade supported by rowdy thugs and who would be the "ordinary folks"
that they can "identify with"?

:shrug:

[Shiver]

49. Running through my head...

Who do you think that Joe Sixpack will believe are putting up a electoral
facade supported by rowdy thugs and who would be the "ordinary folks"
that they can "identify with"?'

Well... I'd like to think they could see the reality, but I got this little dialogue running through my mind now...

"Hey, Jimbo, Ya hear 'bout the Demmacrats conven-shun?"

"It went good, Billy-Bob?"

"Yessiree. And the Republican's are havin' all sortsa troubles with arrests and stuff at the conven-shun them's havin' right now!"

"Well, golly, they's just like us then! Remember at the family reunion when Uncle Joe-Jack got hisself arrested, and the entire neybahood showed up ta tell us ta turn down the Tim McGraw?"

"I know! I'm votin fer the old guy and the lady governor!"

End scene.

Ludicrous? Maybe, but remember, a lot people elected the shrub because 'he seemed like a guy ya could have a beer with', despite the fact that, as a recovering alcoholic, Bush wouldn't have been able to even be around liqour...

I apologize to any southerners who may have read this and felt offended.


~Shiver

[loves_dulcinea]

86. i'm a southerner

and i feel you've hit the nail on the head, mostly.

[janet118]

38. "We're finally on our own . . . "

Welcome to the late 60s, people.

When does the real beating and killing start?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

43. I am afraid it will get much worse than Kent State this time around

and there will be no mainstream media coverage this time....

[mmonk]

39. As always, thanks for keeping us informed.

[yy4me]

40. Shades of Kent State. I fear for all of us. Thank you for posting

this log, how would we know otherwise? Thanks to all of you who are keeping us informed. This is the real story about our government and its current direction. Keep this story in the forefront.

[bdamomma]

42. These protestors are patriots and the police are out of control

this is shameful why don't they arrest the real criminals in DC.

[caseycoon]

46. K&R I hate this crap! n/t

[peacetalksforall]

47. There is no need to destroy to protest. You have a faction in St. Paul

who want to protect the city, but maybe it is to destroy to demonstrate power and send a message. I see the anarchists and the police as destroyers - no different from Cheney.

A certain faction getting their jollies while serious people TRY TO protest peacefully.

St. Paul and the people they let run the police are disgusting. I regret that they found so many police to act like Hitlers' Nazis. But, the anarchists jump started it. Who are they?

[bobd0]

50. Anarchists or police plants?

There are certainly anarchists but the police have been known to infiltrate and incite confrontations, and I'll guaranty they do so with the full support and aid of other agencies as well as the Republican Party.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/22/nyregion/22police.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=%20Police%20Infiltrate%20Protests,%20Videotapes%20Show&st=cse&oref=slogin
December 22, 2005
Police Infiltrate Protests, Videotapes Show
By JIM DWYER

Undercover New York City police officers have conducted covert surveillance in the last 16 months of people protesting the Iraq war, bicycle riders taking part in mass rallies and even mourners at a street vigil for a cyclist killed in an accident, a series of videotapes show.

In glimpses and in glaring detail, the videotape images reveal the robust presence of disguised officers or others working with them at seven public gatherings since August 2004.

The officers hoist protest signs. They hold flowers with mourners. They ride in bicycle events. At the vigil for the cyclist, an officer in biking gear wore a button that said, "I am a shameless agitator." She also carried a camera and videotaped the roughly 15 people present.

Beyond collecting information, some of the undercover officers or their associates are seen on the tape having influence on events. At a demonstration last year during the Republican National Convention, the sham arrest of a man secretly working with the police led to a bruising confrontation between officers in riot gear and bystanders.

Until Sept. 11, the secret monitoring of events where people expressed their opinions was among the most tightly limited of police powers.

Provided with images from the tape, the Police Department's chief spokesman, Paul J. Browne, did not dispute that they showed officers at work but said that disguised officers had always attended such gatherings - not to investigate political activities but to keep order and protect free speech. Activists, however, say that police officers masquerading as protesters and bicycle riders distort their messages and provoke trouble.

[The Sushi Bandit]

51. Three People Quickly Arrested in the Fourth Sector of St. Paul (for moving trash cans)

Source: Indy Media

Shortly after 11:00am on September 1st, three people were arrested in the streets of St. Paul near Seventh and Goodrich. This portion of town has been dubbed "Sector 4" by groups protesting in the streets on this first, and only, day of the Republican National Convention.

A group of people were followed by St. Paul police in their car. Some people in the group began to push garbage cans through down a residential street. More police quickly arrived on the scene, jumped out of a black tactical van, pepper sprayed the group and then tackled three people. Three people in the group were handcuffed, searched and taken away in the back of police cars.





Read more: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/01/18531711.php

[grannie4peace]

52. wow i'm glad that didn't happen in denver

[sasquatch]

53. I hope all the cops that do this are brought up on civil rights violations

[mmm413]

54. Who are the guys in camo gear?

[The Sushi Bandit]

55. BLACKWATER?

OR DHS

[VP505]

56. WOW, a crime wave in St Paul,

moving trash containers, glad to hear the gestapo Police are protecting the citizens from such heinous crimes.

[The Sushi Bandit]

57. LiveWire:RUBBER BULLETS FIRED AT 10TH & ST. PETER - 1 PROTESTER DOWN

Source: Twin Cities Indy Media

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:42update RUBBER BULLETS FIRED AT 10TH/ST PETER BLACK BLOC. 1 PROTESTER DOWN. national guard also coming to scene reportedly with concussion grenades and smoke.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:39 rubber bullets?cops being sent to exchange/10th/st. peter intersection. 50 anarchists there. report of tear gas AND RUBBER BULLETS BEING DEPLOYED.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:37 black bloccoldsnap tweets: "cops on sibley and 7th... black bloc make total destroy everywhere."

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:36UPDATEcred_rating: FiveCops escorting a bus fleeing west down Kellogg past broadway.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:27UPDATE7th and Wall blockade has been cleared. ** 1 arrest at john ireland and shepard - snatch squad ** report of cops on sibley/7th in response to breaking of windows ** COLDSNAP STREET TEAM MEMBER ARRESTED BY SNATCH SQUAD **TAZERS DRAWN AT SHEPARD/RANDOLPH

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:20updatecred_rating: Fourreport that delegate busses have detoured and are crossing the mississippi at wabasha street. ** police cut team has arrived at shepard/randolph blockade. walking delegates in to security zone at wabasha and kellog. cops arriving. NEED SUPPORT

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:16UPDATE~20 pagans at kellogg/cedar stopping delegate busses. ** successful blockade at 8th and wall. cops moving in.

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:13UPDATEwindows OF DELEGATE BUS SMASHED ON KELLOGG

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:11updatecred_rating: FiveNew 7th and wall hard blockade. on 94 offramp

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 13:09updatecred_rating: FourSherrif Bob Fletcher is personally on site at John Ireland and Kellog confronting black bloc



Read more: http://tc.indymedia.org/

[corkhead]

58. be safe! photos if possible!!!

[AzDar]

59. Stop, Hey...What's That Sound?

:mad:

[1Hippiechick]

67. Lyrics just for you! PERFECT song for this!

there's something happinin here
what it is aint exactly clear
theres a man with a gun over there
tellin me i got to beware

i think it's time we stop, children
what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down

there's battle lines being drawn
nobody's right if everybody's wrong
young people speakin there minds
getting so much resistance far behind

it's time we stop,
hey what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down

what a field day for the heat
a thousand people in the street
singin songs that they carry inside
mostly say hurray for our side

it's time we stop,
hey what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down

there are lawyer strikes deep
into your life it will creep
it starts when your always afraid
step out of line the man come and take you away

you better stop
hey what's that sound
everybody look what's going down x4

[dchill]

60. This is Obama's fault, right?

:shrug:

[zippy890]

61. I'm confused

"20 pagans at kellogg/cedar stopping delegate busses"

Pagans are their own protest group?

[The Sushi Bandit]

62. Yep!

[hvn_nbr_2]

65. Yep, you can recognize them by their loincloths and statues of Satan's ass, ...

which they kiss reverentially. :sarcasm:

[yourout]

63. Sounds like the security in Minni is tighter than the Green Zone.

[mzmolly]

64. It's been crazy.

People have had "enough!"

[Nailzberg]

66. Pagans! Someone call SWAT

[1Hippiechick]

68. Thanks for the link! n/t

[Buenaventura]

69. Rubber bullets & the end of free speech ...

From the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, 9/1/08:

"Just a few hours into the protest activity, city workers were ordered to shut down the free speech stage that was placed near the X. The stage was supposed to run for up to 12 hours a day during the convention as a forum for public sentiment. The workers would not say who ordered the shut-down or why."

[Owl]

70. Dumb-ass anarchists.

[kikiek]

81. They are running amok. Set off some chemical irritant. Smashed windows.

Destroyed stuff all along the way. They are not helping the anti war cause. It is just an excuse to cause chaos.

[Owl]

82. "They are not helping the anti war cause. It is just an excuse to cause chaos."

You've got that right.

Dumb-ass anarchists.

[Billy Burnett]

83. I was in Miami during the FTAA protests. Persons dressed as black block were being ...

... dropped off at the demonstrations in police vans. That's right. I saw it with my own eyes.

Most of the black face mask and hooded instigators of violence were cops (or working with the cops).

The reason is to evoke the kind of response you have posted, and to "justify" the use of extreme anti protest tactics by authorities.

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[truedelphi]

73. Ya know, maybe it has come to that.

This is REPRESSION above and beyond what we as Americans have a right.

We are to be SECURE in our right to assembly, and secure in our HOMES.

[geckosfeet]

74. Shooting at a force that is known to have far superior firepower is suicide.

[L0oniX]

78. Yes they behaved like sheep too when the Nazi's took over in Germany.

[geckosfeet]

84. Not being a sheep. Just smart. Turning yourself into cannon fodder does not solve anything.

I agree with the protesters. I don't think that they should take up arms against the police.

[Festivito]

72. Will police or RWers hire agitators? Or, have they already?

They did in Canada and the police had to apologize in television.

They marked their own thugs on the bottom of shoes. They'd have all the protestors lie down, then they'd see the shoes and separate them.

[Buns_of_Fire]

75. I hear echoes of Chicago '68 already...

For those of you in the vicinity, please be safe. And note that the old "cigarette filters in the nostrils" gambit does NOT really work as well as Abbie Hoffman promised.

[Generic Brad]

76. Wake me up after they all leave my neighborhood

I don't want to leave my condo until it is safe.

:hide:

[Truth2Tell]

77. Sherrif Bob Fletcher is personally on site at John Ireland and Kellog confronting black bloc

:rofl:

[KatyaR]

79. Jesus Christ, what the hell is going on up there?

Unbelievable.

[NeoConsSuck]

80. Nothing from M$M

they're waiting for instructions from the RNC.

So until they do their jobs as journalists, here is the latest:

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:54updatecred_rating: Four projectiles fired on kellogg b/t wabasha and cedar; massive numbers pepper sprayed; black bloc dragging barricades into street. also concussion grenades. reports coming in to tcimc of several injuries from rubber bullets on 6th street. MEDICS needed on 6th, and on Kellogg!

Mon, 09/01/2008 - 15:51upDATE cred_rating: Four cops putting on gas masks at mulberry/kellogg ** pepper spray used at cedar/kellogg

[sakabatou]

85. Holy crap...

And this is at an RNC event? Yeesh...

[fascisthunter]

87. Notice How the Corporate Media Covers for the RNC... you will see nothing

just like the protest for the rnc in 2004. The said very little, and when they did, they lied about how many people demonstrated.