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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:31 AM
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Cheney Blasts "Illegitimate" Russian Moves
Source: CBS News/AP

Visiting Georgia, VP Derides Moscow Over "Unilateral Attempt" To Redraw Country's Borders


(CBS/AP) Vice President Dick Cheney has condemned Russia for what he says is an "illegitimate, unilateral attempt" to change Georgia's borders by force.

Cheney also assured Georgia's president that the United States supports the South Caucasus nation's efforts to join NATO.

The U.S. vice president made the comments Thursday during a closely watched trip to Georgia, which fought a short war with Russia last month.

Cheney promised U.S. support to rebuild Georgia and urged the "free world" to rally in support of the ex-Soviet republic.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/world/main4414128.shtml
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:33 AM
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1. "Sneer." - VP Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 09:33 AM by SpiralHawk
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:34 AM
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2. It just never stops!
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predfan Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:35 AM
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3. Cheney brilliantly endorses Sarah Palen selection while at the same time criticizing Russia.
That's why this man has "double o" clearance to shoot any friend at any time.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:13 AM
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11. Leave Russia alone. Georgia stated this trouble.
Cheney just wants that damn oil pipeline. Don't mess with Russia idiot, don't you read history. What happened to Napoleon, eh? The Germans in Russia?
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:43 AM
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4. This is a good example of why we need intelligent people in the
White House. No repuke need apply. After watching the 'r' party this week it seems to me they conduct themselves in all matters, conventions and foreign policy alike, by the seat of their pants.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:46 AM
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5. Us pulling out of Iraq in July (Petraeus) so Darth has to gen up another one


Here's one of the things Dart is Really up to:


Here's another:
http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=2
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:47 AM
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6. Hey Cheney yourself
What was the US special forces doing in Pakistan last night killing indiscriminately half a dozen civilians?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:55 AM
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7. Russia, Georgia and the High Cost of Cheap Oil
The days when the US could kill, drill and consume its way out of crisis have ended. That new reality is made clear by the current conflict between Russia and Georgia, which is looking more and more like one between Russia and the US. As they look into the abyss, Americans will need to ask themselves once and for all how much more they are willing to pay to scrape the bottom of the last barrel of oil.

The Empire That Couldn’t Strike Back

The exact moment in history marking the last gasp of the American Empire will likely be debated by historians for years. But there is little doubt that August 7, 2008 will be viewed as a turning point in that history.

Georgia’s invasion of South Ossetia, followed by Russia’s predictable response, may have faded from the US media spotlight, but it is on the front pages of much of the international press - and for good reason.

On August 26, Moscow issued an extraordinary warning to the West. "If NATO suddenly takes military actions against Abkhazia and South Ossetia, acting solely in support of Tbilisi, this will mean a declaration of war on Russia," said Russian Ambassador Dmitry Rogozin. Russia has also made it clear that it would consider any military assistance to Georgia an act of war.

Ambassador Rogozin compared the current crisis to the atmosphere in Europe just before the start of the First World War. The extreme rhetoric from the Kremlin’s envoy to NATO came on the heels of President Dmitry Medvedev’s pronouncement that he would respond militarily to US missile defense installations in Eastern Europe.

That same week Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Studies in Moscow, alleged that the US and NATO had been arming Georgia as a ‘dress rehearsal’ for a future military operation in Iran. "We are close to a serious conflict," he said. "US and NATO preparations on a strategic scale are ongoing ..."

"The Georgia quarrel has all but derailed US-Russian cooperation on the Iran issue," observed an August 30 special report on the DEBKAfile. "Moscow is not only pulling out of the diplomatic and sanctions front against Iran’s nuclear program ... has decided to finally finish building Iran’s nuclear reactor in the southern town of Bushehr before the end of the year, after holding back for five years at Washington’s insistence."

Later that day, Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin, commented: "If nobody wants to talk with us on these issues and cooperation with Russia is not needed, then for God’s sake, do it yourself."

Moscow has now committed to completing the reactor within four months. DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the plant will enable Iran to operate a heavy water reactor and produce plutonium as an alternative to enriched uranium for building a nuclear bomb.

The dangerous scenario unfolding today in and around the Southern Caucasus of the former Soviet Union has exposed an impoverished and vulnerable US, with neither the political clout nor the military capacity to take care of its own, much less bully other nations into submission. The Bush administration, by behaving as if it were unaware of its diminished status, has placed a once-powerful nation at the mercy of hostile powers, made a mockery of US foreign policy and turned geo-politics on its axis.

Energy - the Weapon of Choice
http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/1398/1/
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:25 AM
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8. Fuck DEBKA.
The only thing they ever get right is turning their servers on. And that is a major stretch for them.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:16 PM
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20. But apart from the DEBKA-sourced talking points, it's very well put.
Eg: the finale:

Whether Americans fully grasp it yet or not, cheap gas is the least of their worries. Included in the Bush administrations’ legacy to the next president are an open-ended ‘global war on terror;’ a food and water supply that is neither secure nor sustainable; an economy in shambles; a disintegrating infrastructure - from the electrical transmission grid to national highways; institutions in freefall - including healthcare, the banking industry, the military and the US Constitution; and no coherent energy policy with which to tackle the threat of accelerated climate change or, for that matter, any other kind of disaster.

Its military having been squandered and its coffers laid bare by gross excess and a cynically-conceived war on terror, the US must now face a moment of reckoning, the likes of which it has never experienced.

Within a few short months, a new president will assume the responsibility of trying to piece together the ruins left behind by one of the most corrupt and destructive administrations in US history. If that new president is serious about change of the kind anyone can believe in, he will seize the moment to tell Americans the truth about the cost of energy dependence, drilling in environmentally sensitive areas and over-consumption. He will make it the first order of business to put forward an energy plan that favors and offers incentives to de-centralized ‘energy farms’ and he will promote policies that encourage individuals, small businesses and/or communities to produce their own food and renewable energy. While he is at it, he should get rid of subsidies to Big Energy and Big Agriculture and hold the fossil fuel, nuclear and ethanol industries accountable for the damage they do.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:10 AM
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9. How about illegally invading a sovereign nation, killing its leaders & civilians, stealing
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 11:36 AM by LaPera
the country's resources, the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation all based on lies and greed....building military bases in their country, destroying the country's infrastructure, occupying the country for years, forcing the country that threw out the same greedy oil companies 30 years ago, get the long term oil deals they want, keeping military forces in a country that wants them out of their country years ago.

Sound familiar Cheney? You lying ASSHOLE!

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Buenaventura Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:11 AM
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10. The big dick's upset 'cause he wants a
monopoly on illegitimacy? He already lost that battle to Bristol Palin.
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Buenaventura Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:13 AM
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12. Hmm ... the big dick's right ... pulling out
is one way to avoid illegitimacy.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:25 AM
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13.  sabra
sabra

After all the lies in Iraq and Afghanistan, the current Vice President of USA have no moral standing to claim that Russia have waged a illegal war what so ever.. And as many have pointed out. Russia was answering to no less than a provocation against their interst in the region.. And I would guess even if Russia are to blame, the message is getting true in many former union members.. Do not step over the line..

On the other hand, if Georgia want to be member of the NATO alliance, are it not so, that other NATO member have the right to make a VETO, and therefore stoping Georgia from joining the NATO allianse? Just One member saying no, and Georgia have to re apply for membership..

On the other hand, Mr Chenney would be more than just pleased if Georgia was to be member in the Alliance, at least becouse he want to stick a pooke to the russians... And of course, Georgia have all this pipelines with oil..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:26 AM
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14. Darth: "All your oil pipeline are belong to me." n/t
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Anticon Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:37 AM
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15. When is this bastard
going to DIE already?:mad:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:12 PM
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16. the russians are waiting
if john and sarah get installed then russia will force a split between the usa and europe. if obama and biden are elected then russia,europe,and the usa will work out a deal.


today the world is appalled by sarah palin
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:07 PM
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19. Too right. n/t
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:35 PM
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17. The HeadDick Knows that it is wrong to invade another nation
Not that that stopped him, I mean, OIL OIL OIL

Oh? There's a pipeline Georgian. Gee whiz.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:00 PM
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18. Rocknation Blasts Illegitimate US President Dick Cheney
:evilgrin:
rocknation
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:18 PM
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21. A caller on Thom Hartmann this morning brought this up... October surprise
They're going to create a situation with Russia that plays right into their BS that Palin is from Alaska, which is next to Russia, which proves she can handle them.

I hope Obama and Biden predict this crap early on to diffuse it. They have proven they will go to war for political reasons.

This is the ONE thing that really freaks me out right now.
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