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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:24 AM
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Poll shows big shift to McCain among white women
Source: Reuters

The Washington Post/ABC News poll found that much of McCain's surge in the polls since the Republican National Convention is attributable to the shift in support among white women.

The race for the White House is now a virtual tie, with Obama at 47 percent support of registered voters and McCain at 46 percent, the poll found.

Asked about the findings during a briefing on Monday before the poll was published, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told a Washington Post reporter, "Well, your poll is wrong."



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSN097920080909
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:26 AM
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1. I guess white women don't care about their reproductive rights
and I am a white woman who does care about that. Fuck theocracies.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:27 AM
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4. More likely, many white women don't know Palin's precise position on abortion rights...
and will rethink their opinion once they do.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:33 AM
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8. Or, They Get Another Case Of Buyers' Remorse
Ferchrissakes, if they don't know what the pukes stand for when it comes to their uteruses, then they deserve all that is coming to them. The only regret is that I and every other right-thinking people have to go along for the ride.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:36 AM
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10. That's correct.
And it is the Obama campaign's job to communicate to women what McPalin is really all about.

The next three weeks will tell the tale. If McPalin successfully re-brands themselves as 'mavericks', then Obama is in big trouble.

If Obama succeeds in reinvigorating his change message (offense) and defines McPalin as Bush-clones -- then he will win.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:48 AM
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14. Maybe not. One of my neighbors, who thinks Palin is fantastic, is very happy with it.
I said, "No abortion even in cases of rape or incest, you're okay with that?"

She just gave me a smug smile.

I'm beginning to understand why this woman's daughter wants nothing to do with her. :(

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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:25 PM
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50. Sounds like my mother, which is why I won't speak to her except when necessary.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:55 PM
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52. I'm sorry to hear that.
I wonder how many families the GOP's bombastic self-righteousness has torn asunder. Needless to mention friends and social acquaintances who now tiptoe on eggshells around each other. It didn't used to be this way, not this bad anyway.

:hug:
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:20 PM
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41. I doubt most of them really care about that.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:55 AM
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18. or equal pay for equal work.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:26 AM
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2. Fuck, YES, it's wrong.
:puke:
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:04 PM
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37. Yet CNN poll says "Men's support gives Palin edge in latest poll"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/palin.poll/index.html

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey out Tuesday indicates that 62 percent of men questioned have a favorable opinion of the Alaska governor, nine points higher than women.

In the poll, conducted Friday through Sunday, entirely after the end of the Republican convention, 23 percent of men have an unfavorable view of Sen. John McCain's running mate, seven points lower than women.

The gender gap is also apparent when it comes to whether Palin is qualified to serve as president. Fifty-seven percent of male respondents said Palin was qualified, 14 points higher than women. A majority of women polled, 55 percent, said Palin is not qualified.

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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:09 PM
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38. This makes more sense.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 12:13 PM by Liberalynn
Its more likely some old white men think she's hot, so they'll vote for her.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:26 AM
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3. You are getting Very Sleepy.....
:eyes:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:28 AM
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5. Obama wouldn't be in the lead in that same poll if the white-women results
were accurate. Something is off.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:29 AM
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6. Bullshit. I don't believe it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:33 AM
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7. I don't buy it. In counterdicts women's views on gender rights. In other words
I beleve this poll is flawed

There is no way that women are going to throw gender rights away with mccain/palin

This poll WILL be proven wrong

Even David Plouffe told them their poll is wrong, and I trust individual campaign polls over corporate media polls, especially with ABC involved


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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:48 PM
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48. I don't believe it either. Not happening where I live.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:06 PM
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54. And even Chuck Todd agrees....
Chuck Todd threw cold water on the orgasm fest on Morning Joe this AM with the same message.

He said, if there was a 20 point shift for McCain, then McCain would Waaaay ahead and not just 5 points.

And mentioned that the same poll showed a different result, something is very wrong with this poll he said.

He also, had a frightened look on his face while speaking, like he may have thought he might get into trouble by being truthful.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:20 PM
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55. In less than two weeks we will have some perspective /nt
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:35 AM
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9. How stupid and shallow can people be?
They'll vote for someone because "Gee, there's someone who looks like me," the comfortably familiar on a purely surface level. That's just insane. I've also never understood how people will support a candidate for no other reason than that they come from their home state or home town - a narrow-minded little provincialism that completely fails to look at the real issues.

Maybe one solution is to promote travel. Get people out into the world when they're young, to see different places and different cultures, so they're not so blindly attached to the only thing they know. Having lived all over the world myself, I was in my twenties before I realized in amazement that there were people who had never even been beyond the borders of their state of birth.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:40 AM
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11. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
2004 proved that.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:57 PM
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53. Well, I think more than people being stupid in 2004...
Was the Ken Blackwell and other corrupt secretaries of state that are not in charge of vote suppression this cycle, including here in Missouri.

The Dems haven't done nearly enough with these voting machines but I don't think as many new voters will be leaving the lines because they can't get in to vote.
Also, I believe there will be more people voting this cycle, repubs will have to work overtime this time at the steal attempt.

I hope Obama is ready to fight it.
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moez Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:48 AM
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15. hmmmm......
Black voters 93% Obama, 3% McCain.....

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108040/Candidate-Support-Race.aspx

It just happens....
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:12 AM
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26. You're wrong... Why didn't black people support Keyes...
or Sharpton in such overwhelming numbers????


Its because policy came first !...

But these women don't give a shit about Palins policies.... just that she is a woman !!
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:12 PM
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39. The CNN poll shows its actually more men who are supporting Palin
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 12:30 PM by Liberalynn
and not women. So it would be incorrect to infer from just the Post/ABC poll that only women vote against their own self interest. Plenty of men do it too.

I trust the CNN poll a lot more than the Post/ABC poll.

I'm a woman and I am voting for Obama/Biden, and I even sent a donation, even though I am virtually broke.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:39 PM
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57. Same here...
and it is a non deductable one too. Double ouch.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:30 PM
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44. Bullshit! Black voters have overwhelmingly supported ALL of the Democratic...
presidential candidates. And I do believe until this year they were...oh that's right...white guys.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:37 PM
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46. Black people overwhelmingly supported Clinton
Black people overwhelmingly disapprove of Bush.

Black people in America know the pukes are not on their side.

That's not a matter of voting for the black candidate. They're smarted than that.

Fail on you.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:59 AM
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19. Surely you have noticed how dumb the average person is
Half of the people are even dumber than that.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:18 AM
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28. Samantha Bee summed it up - The Vagina Voter
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:40 AM
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32. Seriously?
Half of the population is dumber than average? Do you have a source for that?



:D
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:54 PM
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47. I'd say that more than half are dumber than the arithmetic mean
But obviously it's 50% who are (at or) below the median.
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AnnaLouise Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:41 AM
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12. Reuters is a pawn of BP and wants the US to remain in Iraq
Reuters is a pawn of BP and wants the US to remain in Iraq
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:42 AM
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13. This is how it begins.
I'm talking about Election Theft 2008. They are trying to create a plausible scenario so the brain-dead majority will believe that women actually identify with this Barbie doll.

I hope I'm wrong. Someone, please tell me I'm wrong.


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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:52 AM
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17. i`m afraid you are right
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
60. Sorry, but you're right.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:51 AM
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16. what has she said that makes her qualified to be the president?
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:02 AM
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22. Any qualifications
Went out the window in 2000. I mean Bush is so dumb but that didn't stop him. Even the media didn't question his intelligence. I was dumbfounded when that happened.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:04 AM
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23. In her speech she maligned pit bulls,
and talked about Obama and Biden in a very childish way - I expected an attack on their mamas at any moment! She said nothing of substance, only high school-style vitriol ala Mean Girls.

I can only imagine what this creature was like in high school.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:59 AM
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20. Ooooo, check this out -------------
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:01 AM
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21. Oh did McCain miss an opportunity - Britney Spears was right there, waiting
Think about it, Miss "I think we should just trust the president and do whatever he says" could have pulled in way more morons than Palin is scoring. Just another case of bad judgment by McCain.

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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:08 AM
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24. White women are, what, 40% of the sample?
They probably surveyed 1000 people for an MOE of 3%.

If there are 400 white women in their sample, the MOE for that subsample is about 5%. I wouldn't put too much stock in those results.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:10 AM
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25. What a bunch of dimwits in this country.
He chooses the least qualified VP candidate in the history of the nation during one of the most critical and dangerous times for the nation, but women flock to him over Palin's possession of a vagina. Makes me want to switch chromosomes.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:17 AM
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27. Uninformed women
From http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6996008

But Ms. Platter said she supports abortion rights and didn't realize that Gov. Palin doesn't. "That does make a difference," she said.

This is where we need to go. Saying that "your poll is wrong" is a poor, whiny reaction.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:32 AM
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29. This poll seems to go against the recent findings
demonstrating that women aren't enthusiastic about the Palin pick, unless women are moving to McCain in spite of Palin. Hopefully it's not the dreaded "security mom" vote coming into play again. :puke:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:32 AM
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30. I'm a white woman who finds Palin
on the wrong side of every issue, annoying as hell to listen to, and just plain insipid. She reminds me of the kind of girl I hated in high school - chirpy and smug. I'd gladly pay for her one-way return ticket to Alaska if she'd promise to disappear and never be heard from again.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:32 AM
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31. thought this post and the other one should be together
if this isn't an example of bullshit reporting -- what is? what is it? men or women?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:40 AM
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33. OMG
another election with yet more-my son's still over there in Irak but I's ginna vote for Mr Bus er Mrs Pailin 'cause they agin abortion and my 15 year old pregnant with her second too
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:41 AM
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34. There could be several factors..
Maybe these women don't think abortion rights will be seriously threatened. Wasn't it reported here that abortion laws in Alaska liberalized despite Palin?
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:43 AM
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35. We need Biden to step down for some reason and move Hillary to the VP slot.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 11:47 AM by ryanmuegge
Before the end of the month. We could appeal to women again, and we could get the media talking about our campaign again.

I was not a Hillary supporter during the primaries, but this what I think needs to be done. Whatever gets the win. I'm not saying anything at all about Biden, but this is what needs to be done to appeal to the whims of our idiotic public.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:37 PM
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45. Hillary is too capable. Paris Hilton would draw in the women's vote though. (according to this poll)
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Buenaventura Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:03 PM
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36. the election is decided by money, not by common sense. fear the poll.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:13 PM
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40. Just more media BS!
nt
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:24 PM
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42. This was predicted in Florida...many of Hillary's votes were from GOP women.
They were willing to cross over to the Democrats for a woman President. We're talking about the Martha Steward-View, stay-at-home, soccer-mom, never-watch-the-news folks. They are conservative, vote in high numbers, and like Hillary because she went to church, stayed by her man, and was an advocate for children. She was a hero for breaking the glass ceiling.

Palin fits the bill and will get those voters back to the repubs...a smart move by McCain.

Our local folks have been talking about the GOP women jumping ship for Hillary for months.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:25 PM
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43. He's nailing down the Mayonnaise Mom vote
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:25 PM
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49. Bullshit. Also, they only poll those with landlines. Most women 18-30 have only cell phones.
We're considering getting rid of our land line too. It's a BS poll. Maybe she is gaining among older white women, who don't care about feminist issues (sadly), but I doubt she is ahead with young women.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:26 PM
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51. Why would a Washington Post/ABC News/Neocon Nazi poll be quoted on DU? nm
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:34 PM
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56. Quite obviously white women are voting for a woman, not their needs, fucking lame!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:42 PM
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58. that's hard to believe
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:18 PM
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59. I could understand some sort of a bump, but this is just too much.
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Anywho6 Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:21 PM
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61. As a woman, it's truly beyond me...
I don't get it at all. We're supposed to be impressed with a woman in a high political position running for the VP spot? Been there, done that...IN THE 1980S!!!! But there are plenty of ignorant women out there who would vote based just on the fact that she's a woman. Sad. Very sad.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:24 PM
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62. L I E
don't believe it
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:28 PM
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63. Wait until they learn about Sarah Palin. The 1 point lead Obama has in the WSJ
poll will grow extensively. ;)
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:35 PM
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64. self delete
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 01:37 PM by Liberalynn
replied to wrong post
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