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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:29 PM
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A Tangled Story of Addiction
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 10:30 PM by deminks
Source: Washington Post

When Cindy McCain is asked what issues she would champion if she became first lady, she often cites one of the most difficult periods of her life: her battle with -- and ultimate victory over -- prescription painkillers. Her struggle, she has said repeatedly, taught her valuable lessons about drug abuse that she would pass on to the nation.

"I think it made me a better person as well as a better parent, so I think it would be very important to talk about it and be very upfront about it," McCain said in an interview with "Access Hollywood." In an appearance on the "Tonight Show With Jay Leno," she said she tries "to talk about it as much as possible because I don't want anyone to wind up in the shoes that I did at the time."

In describing her struggle with drugs, McCain has said that she became addicted to Vicodin and Percocet in early 1989 after rupturing two disks and having back surgery. She has said she hid her addiction from her husband, Sen. John McCain, and stopped taking the pain medications in 1992 after her parents confronted her. She has not discussed what kind of treatment she received for her addiction, but she has made clear that she believes she has put her problems behind her.

While McCain's accounts have captured the pain of her addiction, her journey through this personal crisis is a more complicated story than she has described, and it had more consequences for her and those around her than she has acknowledged.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103928.html
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:32 PM
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1. Cindy's hurt hand
I knew nothing of this previous problem she had but when I saw the whole phony baloney wrapped hurt hand she had recently my first thought was painkiller problem.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:37 PM
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3. Don't some pain killers wreak havoc on your bone density?
I just figured McShame used her as a punching bag.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:35 PM
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2. The worm has turned.
The media has turned on the McCains. I can only imagine
what is going on in the McCain home tonight.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:04 PM
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12. Maybe they want palin for president...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:29 AM
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28. I can bet the C word is being tossed around in quite a liberal manner...
:rofl:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:45 PM
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36. I hope he doesn't kill her. If he loses... yikes! He's a psyco!
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:37 PM
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4. K&R. Thanks for posting this. Must read. nt
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:37 PM
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5. Finally, here it is. The last few paragraphs are especially interesting.
They explain Gosinski backing out on Weds and then changing his mind again. WaPo has his journals/note, woot!
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:42 PM
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6. Is this the lonestarnot story?
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:43 PM
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7. I believe it is. nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:49 PM
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8. Its the front page of the Washington Post not buried in the back
or the career section..... THE FRONT FRICKING PAGE.
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:57 PM
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9. go lonestarnot! It's a 5-page article, wow.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:58 PM
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10. Newsflash!
Cindy McCain is a junkie and a liar!

(But we already knew that.)

After one read through I didn't see anything about John McCain abusing the power of his office to cover up her drug use.

Anybody else?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:01 PM
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11. Have you heard that story about Cindy McCain being a junkie and a liar?
I did not realize the extent to which John McCain would hide the fact that Cindy McCain was a junkie and a liar....


:wow:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:10 PM
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13. Cindy McCain was a junkie and a liar? I did not know that, but I heard Rush
had a problem with drugs and young children.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:15 PM
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14. That's certainly one approach.
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 11:16 PM by MilesColtrane
I happen to think it's a losing proposition though.

What will be correctly pointed out in response to this article is the fact that she isn't running for anything.

As far as J. McCain hiding her addiction, remember that when family and personal life intersects with the public, people lie all the time.

Indeed, it seems hypocritical for those of us who defended Bill Clinton's lies about his affair as his own business to now wail on the McCain's for covering something that was clearly just as embarrassing to them.

It's bad strategy to attack the plucky survivors of the scourge of addiction (that's the way she'll be portrayed), especially considering just how many families have dealt with it themselves.

There are reams of other material on which to assail McCain.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:20 PM
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15. He used his political power to get her a diplomatic passport
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 11:21 PM by Ichingcarpenter
to hide her addiction.


Do you know that many people in the state department can't even get one of those?

Its called a 'DIPLOMATIC PASSPORT'


Types

The terminology related to passports has become generally standardized around the world. The typical passports include:

Ordinary passport, also called tourist passport
Issued to average citizens.

Official passport, also called service passport
Issued to government employees for work-related travel, and to accompanying dependents.

Diplomatic passport
Issued to diplomats and consuls
for work-related travel, and to accompanying dependents. Having a diplomatic passport is not the equivalent of having diplomatic immunity. A grant of diplomatic status, a privilege of which is diplomatic immunity, has to come from the government of the country in relation to which diplomatic status is claimed. Also, having a diplomatic passport does not mean visa-free travel. A holder of a diplomatic passport usually has to obtain a diplomatic visa, even if a holder of an ordinary passport may enter a country visa-free or may obtain a visa on arrival.

In exceptional circumstances, a diplomatic passport is given to a foreign citizen with no passport of his own, such as an exiled VIP who lives, by invitation, in a foreign country.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:39 AM
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21. I'd love to see someone prove that. (sincerely)
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 12:42 AM by MilesColtrane
Short of a former staffer saying, "The Senator told me to call the passport office because he didn't want his wife going through customs." it's going to be a tough sell to Joe and Jane SixPack.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:52 PM
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39. Me too! Those will be juicy documents! FOIA request anyone?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:38 PM
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18. the article aid that he was unaware of her addiction,
it then went on to say the he or her secretary went to Dr. Johnson's house and picked up the prescriptions for her. So something is screwy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:52 PM
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30. People who live with addicts have to work really hard
to be "unaware". :eyes:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:49 PM
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38. But the freak will be hawking the drapes in the W.H. for a fix!
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:50 AM
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25. Junkie, liar and thief
give her full credit. She stole narcotics from war survivors to feed her addiction. John helped cover it up


And those glassy eyes she wears as she shadows John tell a story about her recovery.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:10 PM
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44. Yes those eyes!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:36 PM
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17. Nope I didn't see that either. Maybe that's what they changed when they pulled it earlier
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 11:36 PM by notadmblnd
I had read that the story was posted on line, then it had disappeared for a while. Now it's back. It didn't mention her overdose and McCain taking her out of the hospital. It said nothing about his assistance in getting the DEA off her ass and this woman not being charged. If it was you or me or anyone else, we'd be doing life.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:53 PM
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40. Nope that wasn't the correction. It's below.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:48 PM
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37. Ruining the lives of several wonderful doctors, getting her off on a 20
year flat time sentence, ah no no abuse there! :wtf:
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:34 PM
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16. Five Full Fucking Pages Worth!!!!! Lonestarnot - Stand Up & Take a Bow!!!
Off to read the whole thing.....


Lonestarnot
:yourock:

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:43 PM
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19. One thing I noted is that she probably never did rehab OR completed her Diversion program.
Looks like she could've served 20 years for the fraud, forgery and drug charges.

She got a sweet deal worked out (surprise, surprise).

She no doubts had requirements for the Diversion Program and the rehab program.

But the WaPo article notes (on page 5):


Two reporters wrote that McCain said she had completed a drug treatment program at the Meadows, a facility in Wickenberg, Ariz., as part of the agreement with federal prosecutors. But days later, federal officials said that no agreement had been reached and that she had not yet been accepted into a diversion program, which would include approved treatment. McCain issued a statement saying the reporters erred, but she did not disclose details of her treatment.

The only public reference to treatment is her mention in the county investigator's report of a one-week stay at the Meadows.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:05 PM
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41. And check out the Meadows! Then check out
http://www.themeadows.org/

http://adcprisoninfo.az.gov/adc/prisons/florence.asp

and one fucking week Swwwwwwwwwwwaeeeeet deal doesn't cover it! It is an outrage!
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:14 AM
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20. An interesting story and a sad one, for many reasons. But it won't damage the McCain campaign.
People will focus on the addiction and recovery story line, not the subtext about being able to get away with stuff if you're rich and powerful and married to a US Senator who will cover up for you as needed.

And the addiction and recovery story line is one that a lot of recovering people and their families will be sympathetic to. Addicted people do illegal things. They get away with them a lot, too, because their families cover up for them.

I don't think it will do much harm to the McCain campaign. And I'm not really sure that it should. It's a sad, tawdry little tale, but not a deal-breaker for voters, especially those already sympathetic to McCain.

judiciously,
Bright
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:48 AM
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22. Kick for the morning
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boilinmad Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:52 AM
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27. Well...
...it CERTAINLY would be a deal-breaker if she were a liberal democrat. She would be skewered like a pig by the media and the self righteous idiotic 'christian' americans. Dont kid yourself. Just another example of the ability of the 'right' to take an issue like this and use it to its political advantage. The left, on the other hand.....
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:11 PM
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33. Very true....
but I have to wonder what is it with these Repug women like her and Laura? They have such wonderful lives what with all that money, etc. and they feel the need to be spaced out on drugs all the time? I don't buy the two ruptured discs bit because I currently have one herniated disc and one that's bulging and yes, it's painful but with physical therapy and just some strong Ibuprofen I've been able to manage. I think they need the drugs to get up every morning and face the fact that they married losers who are controlling egotists and not pleasant to live with.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:06 PM
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42. Not so fucking sure about that! Palin is getting her ass burned on the trooper gate story!
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 09:13 PM by lonestarnot
Denial of a worker's comp claim is serious enough, but we are talking about doctors who spent years and fortunes getting through school, then paying off those student loans all to be smashed like bugs for the princess beer mcdruggie.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:35 PM
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45. actually, I am fucking sure about it.
This story is interesting and it confirms what many of us already knew about McCain's ethics.

And it won't have the slightest impact on the election. It will be washed away by Ike coverage and be forgotten by Monday.

I'm not saying I like that result, but I am saying that anyone who thinks this will have a signficant impact on the election is going to be very disappointed.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:56 PM
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46. LOL. Speculation is problematic and resolves to satisfy only your own laziness.
More facts will be produced and questions are being asked all around. And you are wrong so what I say to you is neener fucking neener. :crazy:
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 11:53 PM
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48. bookmarked
so we can see who has the last neener
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:37 AM
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49. your on!
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:49 AM
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23. pg A01
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:44 AM
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24. Hide the rubbing alcohol and the fingernail polish remover!
Cindy's gonna crack!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:09 PM
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43. and don't forget the Chris Rock Robitussin!
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:50 AM
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26. Taught her valuable lessons?!?! Yeah right!
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 07:51 AM by Crowman1979
The only lesson it taught her was that money and power will always keep you out of prison! While the rest of us would be thrown in the slammer.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:38 PM
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29. k
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:32 PM
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31. Gosinski is a victim here and heroic now; the dr that lost his license

is a corrupt assh*t.

To quote WAPO:

In May of that year, county investigator Terry Blake interviewed McCain at her Phoenix home. He asked questions about Gosinski and then grilled McCain about prescription painkillers. He later wrote:

"Mrs. McCain was asked if AMVT procured narcotic drugs as a part of their normal operation. She said they did.

"I asked if she ever obtained narcotic drugs by using her employee's names. She said she did.

"Mrs. McCain was asked if prescriptions were written in Mr. Gosinski's name without his knowledge. She said yes."
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:39 PM
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35. Are you talking about Dr. Johnson?
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 08:39 PM by lonestarnot
All of the doctors were victims here! They steam rolled every one of them!
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 11:16 PM
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47. Thank you Lonestarnot for the heads up about this story
The Dr. Johnson that lost his licence did wrong and knewn at the time it was not correct to get RXs for Cindy in the names of other employees.
I do think losing his license was harsh considering how Cindy skated responsibility and readily threw her victims including Johnson under the bus.

Johnson provided RXs to Cindy McCain in the name but not with the knowledge nor cooperation of Mr. G. and then was less than sympathetic to Mr. G.

I read all 5 pages and many of the comments at WAPO and hope this story has legs!!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:59 PM
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32. K&R Bravo to lonestarnot! 5 pages worth!
I even bookmarked it.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:37 PM
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34. CORRECTION MADE TO THIS!
Correction to This Article
Earlier versions of this story incorrectly identified the watchdog group that Tom Gosinski signed an agreement with as the Center for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Its correct name is Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. This version has been corrected.

I tried posting it, but it got shot down. I asked for a second look. Thanks! :hi:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:53 AM
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50. The thing about Vicodin
is- it isn't a very addictive drug. I've had migraines for 25 years. I have used Vicodin for most of that time. I have to call for it every month- that's the way it is. I use less than I used to because the non-narcotic migraine meds have gotten much better over the years. But I have never craved Vicodin. I have been in a lot of physical pain, but I have never overused it or used it when I was not truly in pain. Maybe its a biochemical difference between people- I don't know. But my doctor told me it is not a highly addictive drug. And he would know, wouldn't he?
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:38 AM
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51. perhaps for you it wasn't, but I know plenty of people who've been
addicted to Vicodin. It is highly addictive.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:54 AM
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52. This does have potential
And if framed properly could sway some independents.

What a dream world to live in where actions have no consequences, where history is rewritten
immediately after the fact. Where power and money and who you are, who you know allows
you to do anything your heart of sick mind desires.
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