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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:49 PM
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McCain Blasts Wall Street Failure, Neglects To Mention His Adviser Helped Cause It
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 03:02 PM by BlueJessamine
Source: Mother Jones

As the news broke of the Lehman Brothers meltdown and the rest of the latest financial crisis, John McCain, speaking at a campaign rally in Florida on Monday, angrily declared,

We will never put America in this position again. We will clean up Wall Street. This is a failure.
And in a statement released by his campaign, McCain called for greater "transparency and accountability" on Wall Street.

If McCain wants to hold someone accountable for the failure in transparency and accountability that led to the current calamity, he should turn to his good friend and adviser, Phil Gramm.

As Mother Jones reported in June, eight years ago, Gramm, then a Republican senator chairing the Senate banking committee, slipped a 262-page bill into a gargantuan, must-pass spending measure. Gramm's legislation, written with the help of financial industry lobbyists, essentially removed newfangled financial products called swaps from any regulation. Credit default swaps are basically insurance policies that cover the losses on investments, and they have been at the heart of the subprime meltdown because they have enabled large financial institutions to turn risky loans into risky securities that could be packaged and sold to other institutions.



Read more: http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9718_mccain_lehman_crisis_gramm.html



Here's an interesting little snippet from the article:

Gramm is responsible for the rise of the wild and woolly $62 trillion swaps market. And he was chairman of the McCain campaign and a top economic adviser for McCain--until he dismissed Americans worried about the economy as "whiners." After that comment, McCain dumped Gramm. But was Gramm truly excommunicated from McCain land? Last month, he attended a meeting of McCain's top supporters in Aspen, Colorado. And at a dinner that day, McCain singled out Gramm for praise.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:50 PM
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1. Recommended!
:kick:
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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:53 PM
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5. thankyou
and Recommend!
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tropical Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:25 PM
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12. Dear BO -- Its the SPENDING, stupid... Dems were complicit. admit it
Here's the problem with Obama and Biden's attack on McCain regarding the collapsing financial market (and McCain knows this). The Republican lawmakers did not act alone. Many Democratic lawmakers have been complicit on so many of the issues (the war, FISA, Bush doctrine, etc), including this one, easing restrictions on the financial markets to a ridiculous extreme. McCain continues to gain ground by proving he is willing to TAKE ON his OWN party. Obama only "takes on" the left, anti-war and other activists, not the complicit Democratic lawmakers in his own party.

When I hear that phrase, "its the spending, stupid", it resonates even with me, a serious lefty. The Democratic party has been sick for a long time but Obama has not noticed, or thinks its ok. But we have and 91% of us don't like it. This is the scary part of Obama. You get the impression a Democratic House and Senate will control him and overspend and cave, overspend and cave, overspend and cave. The usual routine.

I mean this as a helpful criticism.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:38 PM
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17. You, a serious lefty
:rofl:
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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 05:10 PM
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28. lol
:rofl:
:rofl:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:10 PM
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36. McCain: PHONY
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:55 PM
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52. I smell pepperoni. n/t
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:04 PM
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20. I guess the part that states...
"Gramm, then a Republican senator chairing the Senate banking committee, slipped a 262-page bill into a gargantuan, must-pass spending measure." is a little too confusing for you. You might want to wait until you have a few more post until you call Barack Obama out. Lefty, my ass.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:01 PM
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34. Corn is being disingenuous. Bill Clinton signed off on a new 'reform' in 1999...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html

1998-1999


Intense new lobbying effort to repeal Glass-Steagall


Following the merger announcement on April 6, 1998, Weill immediately plunges into a public-relations and lobbying campaign for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and passage of new financial services legislation (what becomes the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999). One week before the Citibank-Travelers deal was announced, Congress had shelved its latest effort to repeal Glass-Steagall. Weill cranks up a new effort to revive bill.

Weill and Reed have to act quickly for both business and political reasons. Fears that the necessary regulatory changes would not happen in time had caused the share prices of both companies to fall. The House Republican leadership indicates that it wants to enact the measure in the current session of Congress. While the Clinton administration generally supported Glass-Steagall "modernization," but there are concerns that mid-term elections in the fall could bring in Democrats less sympathetic to changing the laws.

In May 1998, the House passes legislation by a vote of 214 to 213 that allows for the merging of banks, securities firms, and insurance companies into huge financial conglomerates. And in September, the Senate Banking Committee votes 16-2 to approve a compromise bank overhaul bill. Despite this new momentum, Congress is yet again unable to pass final legislation before the end of its session.

As the push for new legislation heats up, lobbyists quip that raising the issue of financial modernization really signals the start of a fresh round of political fund-raising. Indeed, in the 1997-98 election cycle, the finance, insurance, and real estate industries (known as the FIRE sector), spends more than $200 million on lobbying and makes more than $150 million in political donations. Campaign contributions are targeted to members of Congressional banking committees and other committees with direct jurisdiction over financial services legislation.


Oct.-Nov. 1999


Congress passes Financial Services Modernization Act


After 12 attempts in 25 years, Congress finally repeals Glass-Steagall, rewarding financial companies for more than 20 years and $300 million worth of lobbying efforts. Supporters hail the change as the long-overdue demise of a Depression-era relic.

On Oct. 21, with the House-Senate conference committee deadlocked after marathon negotiations, the main sticking point is partisan bickering over the bill's effect on the Community Reinvestment Act, which sets rules for lending to poor communities. Sandy Weill calls President Clinton in the evening to try to break the deadlock after Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, warned Citigroup lobbyist Roger Levy that Weill has to get White House moving on the bill or he would shut down the House-Senate conference. Serious negotiations resume, and a deal is announced at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 22. Whether Weill made any difference in precipitating a deal is unclear.

On Oct. 22, Weill and John Reed issue a statement congratulating Congress and President Clinton, including 19 administration officials and lawmakers by name. The House and Senate approve a final version of the bill on Nov. 4, and Clinton signs it into law later that month.

Just days after the administration (including the Treasury Department) agrees to support the repeal, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the former co-chairman of a major Wall Street investment bank, Goldman Sachs, raises eyebrows by accepting a top job at Citigroup as Weill's chief lieutenant. The previous year, Weill had called Secretary Rubin to give him advance notice of the upcoming merger announcement. When Weill told Rubin he had some important news, the secretary reportedly quipped, "You're buying the government?"
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:35 PM
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22. "I mean this as a helpful criticism." bwahahahahaha
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biermeister Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. You're not going to make many friends here with that attitude
but I wholeheartedly agree with you. This country has many problems and elected officials from both parties have done little to help the situation. There is certainly enough blame for everyone but don't mention the complicity on the part of some Dems here because you'll piss people off.

ps- Welcome to DU & good luck
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:42 PM
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27. Esp not for a first post. When we get to know you, then you can be more
critical. Or at least temper the criticism with something non-critical. However, many of us are critical of dems actions, trying to get them to shape up better also. It depends on the motive (criticism).
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Yes, mention that 8% the Dems are responsible for
Oh wait, no...I have to stop myself before you call me a liar. It's more like 9%.

But don't mention anything bad about Republicans here, because that might piss you off.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #23
40. Or at least don't pretend that the small percentage of Dems who've failed the public ...
... are mostly responsible for our current state. Whatever flaws exist in the Democratic caucus, the entire body of the Republican caucus has become cancerous. Just ask pro-torture, pro-tax cuts for the wealthy John W. McCain.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #12
26. MUAHAHAHAHAHA
The GOPigs have held the check book for 14 of the last 16 years, and had all branches of the fed for the 6 worst years.

Nice try, freeper
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
29. So your defense is.....wait for it.
"They did it too, so nyah, nyah"?
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 06:41 PM
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32. Yah, sure, you betcha dere, sport.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:15 PM
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38. You seem to miss the basic fact that *some* Democrats are complicit ...
... while almost all Republicans have voted in lock-step with these policies of deregulation, and failure to enforce previously legislated regulation.

But if you're prone to fall for the "spending" argument as the root of all our problems, there's not much to be done for you. Government spending in the 1990s seemed to be working a-o-k, but it was irresponsible tax cuts for the wealthy that reversed several years of debt reduction.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:18 PM
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39. Guess again. McC and Gramm OWN this one... bigtime.
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 07:22 PM by Waiting For Everyman
Too many people (including media) know the truth on this one.

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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:02 PM
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43. BWAAAAAAAH... wrong...thanks for playing!
The Dems are not responsible for the deregulation of the financial industry.

Sure, some Dems vote with Repugs. There are blue dog Dems. But it is not the general philosophy of the Democratic Party to deregulate industries that serve the general public like banking, energy, transpo, and health.

You cannot blame the result of the past 8 years on Dems....period. There is no equivalency here.
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Goldie999 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:28 PM
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44. Lefty
It's amazing how the Republicans hate regulation and big government until something like this happens and then they want that bad old big government to bail them out.

Oh, and "serious lefty," the party that has been "overspending" is the Republicans. You know, war and tax cuts for the rich, war and tax cuts for the rich, war and tax cuts for the rich. The usual routine.

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
46. Heckuva job on them talkin' points, tropicalie.
:rofl:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:49 PM
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47. Thanks for your concern. n/t
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:30 PM
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57. In 2008 McCain voted with Bush 100% of the time and
in 2007 McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time and voted with the GOP 90% of the time. This is according to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies. That is not exactly taking on his own party. In fact, he is rated as one of the most conservative Senators. He even brags about voting with Bush.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/mccain-voted-with-bush-10_n_103718.html

John McCain Voted With Bush 90%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uThoBMfcFRc

You are spewing a lot of right-wing talking points and disinformation on your first post, so I alerted the moderators.

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:36 PM
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58. The "spending," huh? I just heard the McCain spokesmodel
trying to sell the same b.s. to Tweety, who wasn't buying it either.

It's not that there's no truth in it...but what was the BIGGEST, most wasteful spending item of the last six years?

Did I hear you say the Iraq war? If not, you're no "serious lefty."

Enjoy your stay.
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
64. There is plenty of blame to be spread around
But fundamentally it is a result of deregulation in the financial markets. A fad that goes back to Reagan.

Primarily, I blame the shocking excess of corporate interest's influence in government policy.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:50 PM
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2. The Gramm McCain financial collapse - n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:52 PM
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3. Excellent. The k and the r.
nails it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:52 PM
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4. Is it still mental? Who's whining now?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:53 PM
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6. And don't forget that he also authored the "Enron loophole"
sort of fitting bookends to the Bush years in office.
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Johnnyheadstone Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:02 PM
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67. I cant start my own thread, but I have to say this....
I've spent the last 6+ years working in the wholesale banking industry as an underwriter. I have been involved in both the wholesale and secondary markets. For those not familiar with the difference "wholesale banking" allows banks to offer lower mortgage interest rates to approved clients (mortgage brokers) who then "sell" those rates to homeowners at a slightly lower (or higher) interest rate then the bank would offer a "retail" client (someone who walks into a branch and wants a mortgage)

Typically a client would be going to a mortgage broker because they do not meet the lending guidelines the bank has set forward in regards to their retail lending policies, which are more strict then the wholesale guidelines the bank would have to adhere to, this is because these (retail) guidelines were set by Fannie Mae so the loan would meet basic criteria to be considered an investment grade debt (If the loan met the guidelines and went bad or was not repaid, Fannie Mae would insulate the loss for the investor by purchasing the loan and if need be selling the foreclosed property, needless to say this became a huge problem for them when the guidelines were loosened and loans starting going bad). The purpose of this guarantee is so the loan could then be sold on the secondary market as an investment, basically investors (and investment houses and firms such as Merril Lynch, Goldman Sachs etc would purchase these mortgages as large packages (300 or more loans at one time) from the wholesale lending divisions of banks. Large and small banks, savings and loans and correspondent lenders, and once the investment houses stopped buying these mortgages as investment grade debt (because people were not paying their mortgages) the large and small banks savings and loans and correspondent lenders all went bankrupt because the investment grade debt was not being repaid. (There are various reasons as to WHY these debts were not paid, not the least of which is the gutting of lending laws and regulations that took place under the current admin.) The portfolios that the investment houses had built continued to lose value as the market collapsed, they were trying to collect debt + interest (and in the case of a lot of "sub-prime" loans. which are ALL wholesale loans sold to investors who set the guidelines, possibly predatory interest)
on an asset with a rapidly declining market value, not only in terms of the "paper" value of the property (based on sales of comparable homes in the area) but in terms of the "real" value of the asset because it is a debt that is not being paid.

Take this little bonfire and throw in two wars, huge tax cuts, billions and billions in deficit spending and a worldwide rise in fuel prices which drive up the cost of all other goods......and when all of that happens while the nation itself depends upon a global economy in which we are the largest debtor, (largely because we do not provide an equal if any share of labor) and you have the perfect confluence of events for the firestorm that hit wall street yesterday.

It could get worse.


Consider again the Fed's response to this crisis:

"In order to try and calm the markets, the Federal Reserve announced plans late Sunday to loosen its lending restrictions to the banking industry. (More)
The Fed said it would expand its short-term lending to banks by starting to take all investment-grade debt as collateral - instead of just Treasury's and other high-grade securities."

This statement froze my blood.

We have arrived at this financial crisis because we have been forgotten the most fundamental law of finance, and no it is not supply and demand, rather it is as Abraham Lincoln noted the following:

"Labor must precede capital"

In other words, you can't push debt and paper around as the basis of a healthy economy, the labor must create the capital, currently we find ourselves in an economic situation where we do not provide the labor, OR the capital. This is the worst place to be as we are totally economically beholden to our debtors. (Think of it this way, your really cool Uncle gives you a VISA card, it's drawn on the Bank of the Really Cool Uncle, you have a limitless credit limit because your Uncle knows you are good for it (and besides, you have a great room, it has a large amount of valuable natural resources and plenty of interesting and possibly expensive things to see and do) now, you don't want to work so you cook up a little Zach Morris scheme, and what you do is you agree to allow your friends to purchase things from you at a slightly higher rate of interest because you know that the bank won't allow them to do so, because they have a poor history of repaying debts, and since you have the VISA from the Bank of the Really Cool Uncle, you can keep running up the debt and keep this going for as long as it takes.

Unless of course your friends fail to pay you back, which based on their history of not paying anyone at all should not be a surprise to you when it occurs, which means you have to start taking the collateral back from your friends, of course that lowers the value on the items that you are taking in (repossessing), and also lowers the value of the collateral you are still holding for your friends who are paying you back for it (because the resale market disappears, why buy for top dollar when I can get almost the exact same thing for 30% less?) Your other friends catch on and refuse to pay the full amount of the debt they have agreed to (short sale) so they force YOU to take the loss, either in the form of refusing to pay the loan and forcing you to repossess another piece of collateral (which further degrades the prices) or to simply eat the difference and absorb the loss.
Either way as the value of the collateral you are holding decreases several things happen, the first is that people stop borrowing money from you, they simply can not afford your new terms, and besides the collateral they posses has now been rendered worthless, you no longer can support yourself with the VISA card from the Bank Of the Really Cool Uncle, you have no capital to lend because every bit you have left has to go just to pay the interest you already owe on the capital you have borrowed to lend back out, never mind the money you owe your uncle for the worthless collateral that you had to take back, because it is worthless you can't even resell it to pay back the debt, as you would normally. Once your Uncle has had enough of this he simply refuses to extend the credit on your limitless VISA, and he demands full repayment because of the turbulence in the market.......So, rather then attempting to come up with a realistic solution (or perhaps because you are UNABLE to do so because you simply do not understand capital markets) you instead attempt to go to your KIDS and have them buy all the investment grade debt that you are holding, because even though you have not been paid back on those debts, the collateral they are based on is worthless and they will most likely never be re-paid.....you are just SURE that once things turn around everything will be fine and people will suddenly start paying all of their bills on time....except that your kids don't have the ability to earn any capital to pay back these markets, because they have no jobs, they have all been exported to your Uncle's house to allow you more favorable pricing terms on the items you purchased from him with the VISA card he gave you. Now you realize that the only way to repay him is to sell off the only things you have left of any value, sadly these are the items in your own room, your natural resources and interesting things are gone, they are now owned by your Uncle, but don't worry, he will provide you with a job with just enough income to be able to afford to pay back all that capital you misused and lent to the wrong people and to purchase all the goods you did not produce and again borrowed money to buy. And don't worry when you can't pay the debts (because you will never be able to, because your Uncle controls both the Capital (The Money) and the Labor (The goods and services being produced) you can just pass the bill down to your kids, and their kids, and so on and so on.......

Replace the word "Uncle" in the above with the word "China"

Consider that China is the largest holder of US Debt, and that a majority of the items we purchase and use on a daily basis are produced in China. If major steps are not taken very quickly we are to going to find ourselves in a no win situation, as it is we do not control our own Capital because we do not have any, we decided instead of using labor to produce the Capital for the last 40-50 years, we have simply borrowed it.

When we stop and think about what this will really cost us, it is shocking and frightening.

Now answer me this, how is it that someone who simply worked in this industry for only 6 years can come to understand these global markets and how the actions of the Fed are going to have an impact on them, and our economic future, and a major party Presidential Nominee and his Running Mate have no clue and are not being asked.

It's a sad day, and the worst part is no matter how many people read this (or don't) no matter how many K & R's I might get on this board, no matter who wins this election or if someone has "been" to Ireland, or what someone else said about lipstick or shooting wolves from helicopters, or how many houses Presidential Candidates own, at the end of the day I am just another sad, angry, unemployed American, who I am ashamed to say is very very afraid.

And I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Somebody please help us all.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:57 PM
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7. Don't let people forget that Sen. John McCain proudly voted with 52 other GOP senators & 1 Dem. for
the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:31 PM
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14. Yep - that's true! nt
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:02 PM
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48. Actual Vote
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 106th Congress - 1st Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

53 Republican Senators plus one Democrat - AYE

44 Democrats no Republicans - NAY

How did Your Senator Vote?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00105
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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. thankyou
for posting the votes.
:applause:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #48
59. Looks like Hollings from SC is the only Dem voting yea
LOL..and look how Senator Fitzgerald (R)Illinois voted...present. How did that happen?
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:57 PM
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8. from one of the Keating Five
this is beyond incredible. what nerve.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:02 PM
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9. "Regulators were asleep at the switch". . .ACTUAL QUOTE
from his speech at Orlando today. I almost fell off the chair when I heard it on MSNBC.

Maybe if he and his pal Gramm hadn't worked so hard to defund +/or FIRE the regulators there would have been someone at that switch..
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:40 PM
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19. So they're still trying to blame regulation, even if it isn't the old standby of
"if we just KEEP deregulating eventually everything will turn out wonderful!"
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #19
65. Yup. For the corporate elite. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:38 PM
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25. Freud would have a field day with McLame.
All the projection going on...
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:14 PM
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10. I've got news for you.
Nobody is. At least nobody on MSM. And that's the only way it would ever get out to the sheeple.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:18 PM
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11. Sure, blast WSJ. You should blast your hero - Reagan
who ushered all the deregulations of several industries.
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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:25 PM
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13. K&R!
Hopefully the MSM points this out.
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 06:57 PM
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33. Its the old proverbial
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 06:58 PM by downindixie
hope in one hand and shit in the other.See which one fills up first.The MSM is against us,its all about money.Just like the lies about the polls being even.It's way to steal the election!


edited to correct spelling.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:31 PM
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15. McCain will get trashed on this - he is SURROUNDED by the slime who are behind these policies

Obama CAN win on this issue.

Take the gloves off and hit HARD.
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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:34 PM
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16. A recommendation for the Democrats
When McCain clinched the nomination, in his victory speech, one of the first things he talked about was cutting taxes and reducing regulation. If the advisers in the Obama campaign can find the quote and use it, they have McCain's own words to use against him. Couple that with his support of privatizing Social Security, they may be on to something. Just my 2 cents.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:39 PM
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18. Come on media---investigate Gramm!
Do your job!!
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:01 PM
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55. In the words off Hillary err Amy "Grow a Pair and if you can't then you can borrow mine!"
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:18 PM
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21. And Jeb Bush, member of Lehman Bro Board, spoke at that same rally in Florida.
Apparently the irony impaired McCain Campaign staff did not catch that.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:36 PM
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24. Gee, I thought this was just a "mental" recession...
Is Gramm gonna call McLame a whiner, now? :eyes:
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childslibrarian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 06:37 PM
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31. This is the topic of the commercial
Obama should be running.
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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:11 PM
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37. great idea,
it would make a good commercial.
:applause:
:dem:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:03 PM
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35. couple of points
Gramm NEVER left his side, nor his campaign.
Gramm controls the economic policy decisions of the McPalinain campaign to such a degree, that trying to see the difference between Bush|McCain is harder than determining whether a photon is a particle or a wave.

the "swaps" market is actually very complex. There are derivatives, a great idea made bad by deregulation and greed, there are hedge funds, a great idea made bad by design, and other devices and vices, made even worse by the 0.5%ers in terms of wealth.

Gramm and his ilk will never let go of Palin or McCain, and recognizing that THEY ARE THE CAUSE will occur, but only after a great deal more time and pain have passed.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:28 PM
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41. McCain is joined at the hip with the AUTHOR and PROMOTER of this fiasco!
I predict the press will kill him on this. As it should.

But Obama needs to shove this down his throat now.

And join it to the LIES. LIES. LIES. This one the biggest of all.
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spelldmilk Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:56 PM
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42. Huh, interesting…
so…we've got a Bush, McCain and Gramm on one side and a constantly replenished fund from tax munnies on the other, right? In the 80's real estate values plummeted, and Neil Bush was involved in the Silverado S&L failure while John McCain was involved in a regulatory scandal of the Lincoln S&L failure, and many, many tax munnies were used to help stabilize the situation.
20 years later, another real estate bubble bursts, and there sits Jeb Bush, consultant, and George Walker, Managing Director of Lehmann as it is brought to its knees, and we have John McCain who voted in favour of the Gramm/Leach/Bliley Act that provided the opportunity for this particular disaster to happen.
Does anyone happen to know if Phil Gramm was involved in the S&L failures in the 80's-90's? 'Cause that would just be freekin' heelarious. Was Michael Milken involved in this debacle?
Were the 80's just a trial run for the present?
Does anyone know if the S&L failures had a global impact, or was it just in our system?
I don't remember being told that the Bush family was going to install themselves as the first royal house of our Nation…did I miss that edict?
Do they Try to destroy everything, or is it a special talent?
WTF is going on? Can these people be held accountable for this destruction? Can someone tell McCain that he has absolutely No Right to even open his mouth about this, much less offer a critique…
Sorry 'bout the rant, but this really pisses me off. If I can remember the financial crisis of the 80's, the people that Were Involved In It should be able to remember. I was a kid when the S&L failures took place, and I remember listening to my parents talk about the insanity of it all.
How could this have happened? What is happening to our infrastructure?
Okay, I'm done. Continue…
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:49 PM
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45. Ooops, which one he has hundreds
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Marie2 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:22 PM
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49. Disturbed by Freddie/Fannie
I heard on a normal news station - KCBS? - that Obama took some tremendous amount of donations from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. I forgot the amount. Anyway I found this news, if true, to be disturbing, as he has not addressed the situation to my knowledge.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:36 PM
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51. Gramm is McCain's closest advisor. Donations are nothing to that.
And how many other lobbyists was it on McC's campaign... 153 I think?

Ask McC how much his lobbyist buddy Gramm got from UBC last spring to torpedo foreclosure relief... while on staff as McC's top economic advisor. And btw, he isn't "gone" even now. And then ask McC about how much his oil donations were. Then we'll consider that Frannie/Freddie so-called "story" for ya.

A cancer doesn't equal a wart.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:27 PM
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50. Kick. This is THE story today.

And the rest of this campaign.

:kick:
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:56 PM
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53. And To Think, McCain Said It With A Straight Face
His campaign staff are former lobbyists that comprise a who's who list of the failing/failed institutions. How then, can McCain be expected to clean up the mess caused by his own staff. Now that has to be tougher than tying a knot in a cherry stem with your tongue. This is exhibit A for Obama's charge that McCain "would rather lose his integrity than to lose the election".

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:24 PM
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56. Has the "corporate-god" party mentioned "New Deal" ....
correction to their last criminal rampage -- ???
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:38 AM
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66. I am sure in some twisted perverted way they will end up trying to blame that too
Anybody that thinks that these self identified republican type folks will take any responsibility for shit-hole we are in really needs to see the shrink also :shrug:
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:29 AM
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60. K & R - This has to be best page
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:56 AM
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61. I heard him this morning and almost drove off the damn road.
A giant Acme safe full of irony should fall from the sky and flatten him.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:57 AM
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62. McCain/Palin - Economic Dynamic Duo - Promise to Shrink Government while Tightening Regulation
Riiiiight.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:25 AM
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63. k&r
This should be all over the World News. McCain was involved with the Keating 5 who brought down the S&L institutions. These guys are nothing but criminals with degrees. They should get the same treatment Saddam Hussein got.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:33 PM
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68. K&R -- to call attention to Johnny's proposed treasury chief-- PHIL GRAMM //eow
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 02:31 PM
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69. Oh Great Pumpkin
I will never doubt you again. Just think Phil Gramm as Secretary of Treasury. That will fix it.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 02:47 PM
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70. Maybe I'm going out on a limb....
Edited on Tue Sep-16-08 02:49 PM by BecauseBushSaysSo
But I'm sitting here watching Nora on MSNBC and their talking about the market and Capitol Gains tax Obama/MaGoo. And as the market gets lower it's going to hurt Obama's tax plan for the commons like us. Is this how they are going to steal this thing since the numbers are against them this time? Like wars you shouldn't change horses in the middle of the race. AIG=CIA This attack doesn't use airplanes. They have plenty of shit to hide from the next administration if it's Obama.
Adjusting tinfoil hat.
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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 04:21 PM
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71. '"Is this how they are going to steal this thing"
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