One Newspaper Refuses to Distribute 'Islam Terror' DVD

[RamboLiberal]

Source: Editor & Publisher

But at least one newspaper turned away the money and refused to distribute it, calling it "divisive."

It's the Greensboro News & Record in North Carolina.. The longtime editor, John Robinson, explained his reasoning in a column yesterday.

"Many newspapers across the country distributed a controversial DVD today about Islam, titled 'Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West.'....We did not distribute it. I was not involved in the decision; it was an advertising call, in keeping with advertising policies.

"I asked our publisher about it. He said it was divisive and plays on people's fears and served no educational purpose. The revenue it would have brought in was not a motivator.

"As I've said on other occasions about news decisions, just because you can publish doesn't mean you should."


Read more: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003850083

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Good for them!

[polichick]

1. Wow - that's nice to know!

[napi21]

2. Wasn't in our paper, but maybe they're really sure of Ga's vote! n/t

[redqueen]

8. Hahah... yup... this was for the swing states.

They didn't waste their money on it here in TX either.

Seeing more and more McCain stickers here. Sad.

[napi21]

10. FWIW, I haven't seen ANY McNuts signs or bumper stickers here

at all! I'm GLAD! BUT I haven't seen any Obama stickers or signs either. ;O(

[redqueen]

11. I've seen a few for Obama here and there...

far more money than sense in this part of TX. It's sad.

[n2doc]

34. Plenty of McFail stickers in Savannah

I have seen more yard signs for McFail than Obama. But the reverse seems to be true for car stickers. Lotta idiots down here....

[BonnieJW]

3. Wow, integrity.

Honor, scruples, humanity. So rarely seen these days in the field of media.

[Dr.Phool]

4. It was in my Sunday St. Petersburgh Crimes.

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

5. From my Denver Post straight into the trash this past Sunday

[Hawkeye-X]

7. Good move... I think wife threw it away too

I ALWAYS miss the DP look-through because my wife gets up early and does her thing in the AM.

Hawkeye-X

[sabrina 1]

37. Good for her

Too bad there wasn't time to organize a protest, such as sending it back to

newspapers that included it, asking that they not deliver such propaganda again or there will be mass cancellations of their paper.

I haven't seen it so far.

[ladywnch]

12. husband 'shredded it with prejudice'

all I saw was the flyer/wrapper that came with it.....in the trash

[Hawkeye-X]

6. I saw it sitting on the new computer I put together today

I left the DVD on the bed, ignored.

Hawkeye-X

[OnyxCollie]

9. It's my newest coaster. nt

[ladywnch]

13. contact the paper and thank them for standing on ethics and principal.

http://www.news-record.com/

click on the "contact us"

[masmdu]

23. Um...they said it was a decision in keeping with advertising policy...not principal

[progressivebydesign]

53. It wasn't that simple.. did you read the comments from regarding the publisher?

<<"I asked our publisher about it. He said it was divisive and plays on people's fears and served no educational purpose. The revenue it would have brought in was not a motivator.

"As I've said on other occasions about news decisions, just because you can publish doesn't mean you should.">>

They could have very well participated, sounds like they used the advertising policy to justify not doing it.

[ordnance]

14. DVD

We got 2 in the US mail.1 for each registered voter

[DrZeeLit]

15. I feel like subscribing to his paper. I won't... but I feel like I could.....

I know that doesn't make sense.
But... I think ya'll get it....

I fervently hope we can actually KEEP some newspapers. Many are going under -- look what happens when they flounder -- these unsavory tactics that prey on "advertising" for dollars.

John Robinson sounds like a real news person

Hope so.

(yeah, yeah, I can be deceived.... I just want to believe sometimes that when people act with dignity, they mean it)

[tledford]

78. Like most newspapers, the N&Rs subscriber base is dwindling.

Albeit slowly. Circulation was bout 106,000 in 2000, is about 99,000 now. During that same timeframe, the population of Greensboro increased from about 220,000 to 250,000. And the N&R serves rural areas in the Piedmont Triad, too, so the actual population of the area it serves is probably 350,000-400,000.

It is one of the frightening facts of our current mass media universe that newspapers ARE dying, and in another ten to twenty years will be completely gone, UNLESS they figure out how to make the move online. The N&R has been trying hard since 2002, but it still has a way to go.

Frightening because it leaves only television (right-wing shills all) as a medium for Joe and Jane Sixpack to get their news.

[SAXMAR]

16. Philly Inquirer had DVD

It was in my Sunday paper. I go by the philosophy of know your enemy. I will probably watch it at some point then use it for a doggie frisbee or coaster.

saxmar

[RedLetterRev]

17. That's a shocker for the hometown fishwrap

It had to be that money (or lack thereof) was a motivating factor. N&O is not exactly blue-friendly in a lot of its editorials, to be sure, even though Greensboro is fairly blue.

Whatever the motivation, I'm relieved they didn't bother with including the latest frisbee from the nutwing.

[slackmaster]

18. I haven't seen it in the San Diego Union-Tribune

The film has been available on YouTube for over a year.

[masmdu]

19. Just Watched (YouTube) I Found it WORTH WATCHING / NOT inflamitory...Radical (ANY RELIGION)is NUTS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bev054pNzI&feature=related

Religion poisons everything. It is a scourge and when it becomes Radical/Fundamental and Violent it becomes a TREAT to critical thinking/rationality and freedom.

Whether the treat is Radical Islam or any other Radical Religion it is imperative to know about it in order to defuse it.

I found the video informative and NOT inflamitory.

I think The News and Record could have done their readers a service by providing it.

(A Greensboro Resident)

[masmdu]

22. Has ANYBODY else bothered to watch it?

[masmdu]

25. No....Nobody?.....(chirp, chirp)....anybody?

[barbtries]

39. someone posted on DU yesterday

maybe the day before. search and you'll probably find it.

[slackmaster]

85. I watched it about a year ago and didn't find it particularly inflammatory

It just discusses one radicalized segment of Islam. I think Muslims in general are peaceful, reasonable people. Any religion can be taken too seriously to a point where peoples' actions become morally indefensible outside the narrow viewpoint of their chosen dogma.

[Chulanowa]

28. Well, I don't agree with "religion poisons everything"

But I WILL agree that extremism of any flavor is threatening.

Right now I'm letting the 1st part of the youtube video load. But the title of it is "Radical Islam's War Against the West." it's not "Religious Extremists' War Against the West." It's not "Radical Islam's War Against Sane Muslims and the Stiff Opposition Against It." Now maybe I'm judging a book by its cover here, but there's a reason - the title of a work is supposed to be a concise reflection of the contents of a work, especially when we're talking reference / documentary stuff. Straight off the title, it's already a propaganda piece - "The West!" is always a good indicator of this, since its intent is to say "white christians" without being so obvious, while conjuring images of the Western Roman Empire's fall (ironically to white Christians, but that's beside the point).

But I'm watching it, and will get back to ya.

Edit: Walid Shoebat is the guy they open with? Oh, this is gonna be gooooood...

[Sheets of Easter]

29. Informative or not, it's being used a propaganda tool to forward a political agenda.

That alone is good reason for newspaper editors to refuse its distribution.

[Hugabear]

52. Sorry, I'm not going to waste my time watching hate speech

Maybe if this same group comes out with a DVD titled "Radical Christianity" and examines the threat that Dominionism and Reconstructionism poses, then I might watch both. But it just seems like more Islam bashing.

[masmdu]

69. And you know its Hate Speech how...by not watching it?

[slackmaster]

86. I'm having the same reaction reading the responses here

Anyone who has not watched it really has no business declaring it hate speech.

[bertman]

60. masmdu, I hope you meant "threat" not "treat".

[masmdu]

70. Oops! Thanks

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

62. "Whether the treat is Radical Islam or any other Radical Religion..."

Not my kind of sweet tooth.

[Blue_Tires]

72. for a controversial ad supplement, the news and observer made the right call

regardless if you want to nominate it for the oscar....This says even more about the state of print media's financial health that so many decided include the DVD (especially during a campaign)... I promise you, 5-6 years ago, almost every managing editor nixes this -- and 10 years ago, this DVD doesn't even make it to the ME's desk: straight into the trash...

[Zhade]

76. Religion in general is detrimental to human development.

It's arguable that it helped society in the past (but really, only because it had such a stranglehold on resources, and many advances were made IN SPITE OF religion), but it's antiquated and wholly unnecessary at this point.

And it encourages magical thinking that GETS PEOPLE KILLED, like the kind that convinced people that Iraq had WMD.

[Chulanowa]

80. Watched it

Part 1 opens up with lots of ominous music and explosions and scared-looking white people. It does take the time to point out that the head of the Chechen Guerrillas is "Islamic" as if he might have been a Jain or something. And of course it displays the star and crescent as part of the title - along with an AK-47.

Part two. Daniel Pipes tells us that Islam wants to destroy Christianity. From there we're off to a galloping start. We get told that the majority of Muslims are silent, nobody is speaking out, which anyone who pays attention knows is a bald-faced lie. Cut to stock footage of Hajjis circling the kaaba in Mecca, while the voiceover asks "how many of them support terrorism?" Back to Daniel Pipes who tells us 15% of Muslims are radical fanatics as "an estimate" - then back to Shoebat who takes "15% estimate" as proven fact and informs us that this is more people than the population of America.

Part three. Open with footage of Palestinian kids screaming Jihadist slogans. This is declared to be mainstream stuff. We're informed that people in the middle east feel threatened by America, and think they need to strike back - silly Arabs. We're told "resisting American interests" is the same thing as "carrying out executions against anyone you consider a threat to Islam". Shoebat pops up again, Borat accent stronger than ever, to inform us that "jihad" is the same as "Mein Kampf." With a brief interlude of a Sheik squeaking at a room of tens of slightly enthusiastic, slightly sleepy listeners, we move on to the next section.

Part three: Interestingly we now get to hear about how middle easterners demonize and caricature the west. Personally i think the irony in this is quote amusing. We see an Iranian music video that calls Bush Satan and a tyrant, and I suppose that's supposed to be shocking. We're then told (part 4 of the youtube lineup, still part three of the video) that "the media" and "academia" (anyone smell code-word?) spent time asking what the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks may have been... and we're of course told that asking such things is fruitless and wrong-headed; They hate us because they hate us! Of course the western media pays absolutely no attention to this threat. Cut to more Iranian music videos (apparently lame techno is the same no matter where you go - and when did MEMRI become the only source of Arabic / Farsi translation?) and then we're told propaganda is a recruiting tool. Then it's off to more music videos. This time of a dude in a "terrorist" outfit bouncing around singing Reggae / Hip-Hop about how cool Hamas is. Cue Daniel Pipes telling us all about the celebrations throughout the Muslim world on 9/11 with random celebration footage to prove it. No mention of course of the outpour of sympathy from those nations' populations and governments, vigils against terrorism, and donation drives to help the people of New York City.

Part four, "Jihad in the West". More ominious music. We're told Jihadis are all around us, and if anyone mentions this, they're attacked for not being "politically correct" (damn, another code word buzzer just went off). And then, we're told that Muslims want to make the white house the muslim house. Not through violence, just through change, but hey, we should be scared anyway. Some footage of guys saying they're not loyal to the US flag, but only to God. Only the fact they use the word "Allah" makes them any different from Quakers or the Amish in this regard, but again, ominous music tells us that it's threatening when they do it. Muslims have been "infiltrated" In America, and America needs to "wake up" because we're killing ourselves with piolitical correctness (bzzzzzzzt). Of course we're "losing the battle." Cut to this dude, Abu Hamza, saying that non-Muslims should be treated like cattle. Apparently he becomes the spokesperson for Islam in this section. We are told, "we are living with them; they are here!" They are using our democracy against us (Wonder what the solution to that problem may be, don't you?) Naturally, no other nation in the world "gets it"

Part five, "The Culture of Denial." In the opening salvo we learn that radical islam = Naziism and is a pervasive global threat. Cut to Michael Moore denying a global shadow conspiracy of terrorists - black and white freeze frame, "snoom" noise, Michael Moore is ONE OF THEM! Of course the Hollywood elite are out of touch because 9/11 didn't happen on the West Coast. Once again we have Shoebat flapping his uvula on the glottals like a bad Yiddish caricature, starts us on a history lesson of the Munich accords. What do the Munich accords have to do with radical Islam? It's never said, but we're left with the assumption that somehow, muslim = nazi. We're told that "the press" is not making people properly alarmed about this grave threat. Walid tells us the same thing is happening now. Which is flat-out untrue, but i'm not here to give a history lesson. Cue a couple pictures of Hamas / Hezbollah guys giving an upraised hand salute... Little bit of history, this was pretty much the salute style until WW2.

Part six, "Common Denominators." More Muslims = Nazi stuff, with the Former making the point, "We were enlightened people, and we fell for this. Why wouldn't the Muslims fall for it?" Ominous music with a "heartbeat" in the background as we once again go through more saluting. Mr. Heck tells us that what Muslims do to their kids is far worse than what Hitler did to the Hitler Youth. Either this dude really has no clue, or he's out to cover Hitler's pasty white butt. We then get told that a scene from an old B movie depicting "blood for matzoh" has convinced all Muslims that this is fact. Arab television is said to have no problem concealing hate speech and telling lies about the west and israel - And by the way the perceptive will have noticed that, by this point, none of the commentators are saying "radical" or "extremist" or "terrorist" - their denouements are no longer against the crazy fuckball assholes, but plainly against Arabs and Muslims as a whole.

Part seven, "Hitler and the Mufti" - goddamn, so far three whole sections on colluding Naziism with radical Islam. I think people need a new boogeyman, the nazis are getting a little tired. Anyway this part places it all on the head of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, making the argument he sided with Hitler for no reason other than he hated Jews. No mention of course of the facts of Jewish terrorists killing lots of Brits and Palestinians at the time, or of the fact that Palestine was a british holding and Germany was, y'know, at war with Britain, all sorts of compelling and truthful other reasons for this alliance. We get Walid coming back to tell us Naziism is less dangerous than radical Islam because it's saying "god tells you to do this, and not the fuhrer, yannow?" - I like how his careful enunciation and thick but perfectly intelligible accent gives way for that nice brooklyn "yannow?" right there. Of course, Depending on your Nazi of choice, either Hitler was god, or was acting on orders from god, so it's a bit of a bad argument from Shoebat.

Part eight, "What do Radical Muslims Want?" Well, apparently they want to "destroy the west." Cut to a Muslim preacher preaching the superiority of Islam and that Allah will only accept Muslims... Which is apparently different from your average sunday sermon at every Christian church on earth because this guy has a beard and dresses in white. They want to make the world Muslim... which again, is apparently different from Christians wanting a Christian world, or Jews wanting... Well okay, just Christians and Muslims on that one. They want to take over Egypt, too, because apparently their history books leave out the Umayyad Caliphate period. Radical Muslims want a Muslim world. Apparently global hegemony is only scary when it's them?

Part Nine, "We've been here before..." Oh yes, yes we have... Again, Muslim = Nazi. We cut ahead, with some uplifting "hero" music to a Muslim speaker talking about how Muslims need to teach their children how to love life for Allah. We skip to one of the commentators demanding that Muslims speak out against terrorism, claiming they're all silent - Ironically her clip is interspersed with Muslims doing exactly that, and as i've mentioned earlier, there's no shortage of it. Of course, this has all been sabotaged earlier in the presentation with the statement that if they're preaching moderation, they're lying. Daniel Pipes, after making several million demonizing all Muslims, now tells us that we should embrace the non-radical ones... the ones that, if you'll remember, he claimed are backstabbing subhuman terrorist-supporting liars. And all the commentators tell us "something must be done for freedom" aaaaand roll credits.

Informative if you're too lazy to buy the books of any of the featured propagandists, not inflammatory if you think said propaganda determined to fast a few billion people as an evil that surrounds us on all sides, with the ones who aren't evil either cowed into submission or secretly in league with the evil ones, is "non inflammatory"

The worst part of it is, Youtube is now going to start recommending similar videos to me after watching all ten of those.

[Sheets of Easter]

84. Thanks for the synopsis. I couldn't bring myself to watch the whole thing.

I never made it past the ominous music playing as the Twin Towers burned. I knew from that moment on I was in for a propaganda hellride.

edit- your review should really be an OP. I think others could benefit from the info. :thumbsup:

[madamesilverspurs]

20. Greeley Tribune (northeast Colorado)

also delivered the DVD on behalf of McCain's backers. One more time: This part of the country used to be a western hub for the KKK and it shows.

[Blue_Tires]

21. cheers to the news and observer

[masmdu]

24. Why?....Have you seen the video?

[Blue_Tires]

68. yes....an over-the-top one-sided demonization...

meant to justify american prejudices and fearmongering in swing states..."Hamas has the largest terrorist infrastructure in the USA!!!" (part 5 of the youtube)

i'll watch a documentary about radical islam, but these assclowns are not the most objective ones to produce it...a shame, because if you take out the americans interviewed, you have something still biased, but at least halfway watchable...Daniel Pipes? PIPES??? His being in this alone discredits the whole thing -- If Pipes told me 1+1=2, i'm still getting out the calculator...And the movie's view of 9-11 and "the west" are laughable at best...

[BentleyJD]

26. I received two of these damn things...

and the fact it's praised by Medved told me all I need to know.
More trash in the waste can.
tony and lido

[masmdu]

32. Medved has also praised Walt Witman...into the trash with that, too?

[Flagg]

27. Surrender monkeys...

[mnhtnbb]

30. Wow. Greensboro is very Republican territory. Our Raleigh News & Observer

distributed the DVD--and wouldn't tell how much they were paid for doing it. Our copy went straight in the trash.

[tledford]

33. Incorrect.

WRONG! Greensboro and Guilford County went for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. It is the RURAL part of NC that paints the state red.

I live in Greensboro and Obama signs FAR outnumber McCain signs, at least in yards. AND in the affluent northwest part of town, even.

[masmdu]

38. Absolutely Correct! G'boro NOT red

[mnhtnbb]

75. I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

[Uncle Joe]

31. Kicked and recommended for responsible journalism.

Thanks for the thread, RamboLiberal.

[barbtries]

35. wonder how many people are eating the garbage up

though i haven't seen it myself, from a post yesterday i gather that it appeals to the lowest common denominator.

one paper did the right thing. imagine that.

[masmdu]

42. "Garbage" although you "haven't seen it" yourself...What is wrong with this picture?

[barbtries]

45. hey, i disclaimed

i read a post on DU by a person who did. :shrug:

[masmdu]

46. I see, Well as another poster on DU I'd say it certaily does Not appeal to Lowest Common Denomintor

[JerseygirlCT]

36. Well kudos to them

And heaps of shame to those who happily took the money and played toward bigotry.

[masmdu]

40. Why "Kudos"?

[JerseygirlCT]

66. It was the right decision nt

[rhymeandreason]

41. Hate Disc backed by big bucks

From the linked story:

An estimated 28 million copies have been distributed so far, also through the mails and other magazines. An article at the group's site, www.radicalislam.org, all but endorsed John McCain this past week, then was pulled down.

That's a lot of plastic.

This endeavor is funded by the Clarion Fund, a blatantly political enterprise posing as a non-profit educational organization.

http://www.clarionfund.org/

Copyright 2008 Clarion Fund. All rights reserved.
Clarion Fund, Inc. is a 501(c)(3) organization. We are independent and do not accept funding from the U.S. Government, political institutions, or foreign organizations.

The Clarion Fund was founded by Raphael Shore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Shore

Raphael Shore is an Israeli-Canadian film writer and producer.<1> He is the founder of The Clarion Fund, a non-profit organization that seeks to advance the idea that the United States faces a threat of radical Islam. Shore is also a regular critic of the media coverage on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, coverage which he alleges is regularly anti-Israel. <2>

Shore's documentary about radical Islam, Obsession, became a controversial part of the 2008 presidential campaign when he distributed copies of it to 28 million voters in U.S. swing states in an apparent attempt to convince them of the dangers of Islamic terror in the run-up to the election. <3> Shore has refused to reveal who funded both the production of the film or dissemination of the DVDs. <4>

Eric Ose of the Huffington Post discusses the dvd:

Pro-McCain Group Dumping 28 Million Terror Scare DVDs in Swing States
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html
excerpts:

The program was originally shown on Fox News in the days leading up to the 2006 mid-term elections, and far right-wing activist David Horowitz toured the country screening the film on college campuses during 2007. Mainstream religious groups have called Obsession biased and divisive. It cuts between scenes of Nazi rallies and footage of Muslim children being encouraged to become suicide bombers.

(UPDATE 9/15 - The American Muslim website has posted a lengthy list of "Resources for Responding to Obsession DVD Mass Distribution." The progressive Jewish group JewsOnFirst.org has a thorough report on the Clarion Fund's background and role in pushing these hate DVDs. Highlights include the film's past ties to the Republican Jewish Coalition, Clarion's rent-an-address location, its incorporator, New York attorney Eli Greenberg, spokesman Gregory Ross' implausible denial that the Fund also paid to distribute Obsession at both the Democratic and Republican conventions, and Ross' statement that the Clarion Fund will not disclose its donors' names.

This vicious racist propaganda perfectly exemplifies the moral degradation of the Republican party and John McCain.

[masmdu]

48. Thanks for the info...Just curious, Did you actually Watch it?

[masmdu]

49. I didn't find it "racist". I did find it alarming b/c it shows the dangers of Radical/Fundementalis

It is NOT anti-Muslim. It is anti-Radical.

Imagine if it had covered an armed Christian Movement that called for Death to Non-believers. I wonder how you would perceive it then?

[masmdu]

51. Is it being sent out to influence the Election...Probably..BUT, that does not negate that Radical Is

Islam is a growing movement that is a threat. The next President will have to work to defuse the treat or it will grow.

[jahyarain]

61. well, at least u finally got "threat" right

once. no thinking person would need 2 watch it 2 know what it is whether u think it is what it is or not. i do agree with u that ALL religions r a threat (although The Flying Spagetti Monster IS a treat!).

[rhymeandreason]

58. Yes

Yes.

[torbird]

43. Not Just for Swing States

My boss got one today in her Chicago paper. Ridiculous.

[ginnyinWI]

44. Got one here in Wisconsin too.

Looked like fear mongering to me so I broke it in half.

[vinylsolution]

47. The Colorado Springs Gazette....

... was also guilty of distributing this piece of blatant pro-McCain trash, on behalf of the Clarion Fund, which is one of many front groups for The Council for National Policy (a nasty far-right group comprising such notorious evil-ites as Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye, Paul Weyrich and Pat Robertson).

And the money behind all of this propagandizing comes from.... you've guessed it.... the Rev. Moon.

Luckily, we can see through their BS straight away.

We know the REAL threat to America is radical conservatism.

[Hugabear]

50. Why should ANY newspaper help spread hate speech?

They sure as hell wouldn't distribute KKK or National Alliance flyers, so why are they distributing this? This absolutely sounds like a bunch of vile hate speech.

[masmdu]

55. Have you actually seen it?

[sui generis]

54. so . . . radical Islam is not about hatred?

I dunno anything about this "effort" or what the outcome is that anyone expected, BUT . . .

in the garden of religious philosophy I devoutly believe that radical islam is a weed and should be treated like a weed.

Any religion that calls for my death or yours is not one I need to tolerate - nevermind my general dislike of religion on broader terms.

If we are unwilling to differentiate or judge a subsect of a religion that preaches violence and loss of human rights, I don't think we deserve the freedoms we have. If we're frightened to address radical Islam, or at least the specific medieval ideas some sects practice because we're worried the lowest common denominator can't differentiate between Islam and some violent derivative of it, then the problem isn't Islam, but our general understanding of what a religion should be free to practice in its tenets.

Just the same, manifestos of any kind come with an agenda - and there are respectable news outlets that have addressed "radical" forms of Islam in a broader and more academic (less inflammatory) context.

[masmdu]

56. You are CORRECT ! It matters not who the messenger is. The Message is the Important thing

[masmdu]

57. I alway appreciate more elloquent expression of the ideas I hold...Thanks

[Zhade]

77. Uh, why are you thanking yourself?

NT!

[100AcreWood]

65. They are not very nice.

They stone adulterers and homosexuals to death. Except in Iran, where the President says there ARE no homosexuals. They flog rape victims. What are they, Republicans? Why cut them any slack. They want to kill us, and they've said so. Screw those Islamists rat bastards.

[masmdu]

59. I wonder if the DVD would be widely Recommended if it was about an Armed Radical Christian Movement

Imagine if it had covered an armed Christian Movement that called for Death to Non-believers. I wonder how you would perceive it then?

[BayjanDem]

63. A far scarier group

The Christan rights influence continues to grow in ways radical Islam could only dream of.

[Serial Mom]

64. We canceled our subscription because of this and they also removed Doonesbury!

[mwooldri]

67. What about the Virginian-Pilot and Roanoke Times?

They're part of Landmark Communications, News&Record's parent company...

Did these guys distribute the DVD?

Mark.

[Blue_Tires]

73. i get the pilot and i haven't seen it

but a copy did come to my office in the Chronicle of Higher Education (!), of all things

[electricmonk]

81. Not in the Times as far as I know

I'm not a subscriber but I'm pretty sure it wasn't included. Haven't heard anyone talking about it around here and there's no mention of it on their website.

[sarcasmo]

71. Threw that hunk of crap out with the Sunday paper. One more reason why I get my news from the

Internets.

[masmdu]

74. Seriously. Could somebody take the time to explain to me why this is racist / fear mongering

Not kidding here. I understand that it is being used politically to attempt to influence the election. But, after WATCHING it I didn't find it racist or hate speech as some claim.

It speaks about the growing threat of Radical Islam.

Seriously, can anybody tell me why they find it so offensive.

In what way is it racist?

In what way is it hate speech?

In what way is it 'garbage'?

Thanks

[riverdale]

83. Probably because it just focuses on muslims

Fundamentalists of any religion are the real danger.

[WhiteTara]

79. kudos to truth and freedom

:toast:

[femrap]

82. I am going to forward this to

the Editor at the Columbus Dispatch who did distribute it. I threw it away.

[Blue_Tires]

87. ttt n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

88. Good. nt

[bluemissn]

89. WHY the DVD is inflammatory and wrong

I watched it even though it made me furious because I wanted to know what was in it before I reacted. The danger in it - their little disclaimer that, OF COURSE, they don't mean ALL Muslims notwithstanding - is that it mixes half-truths and generalizations with news footage that can cause fear. Fear, hate, them-and-us = propaganda. no serious journalist considers Daniel Pipes to be credible.

As I said in another board: sigh. What are we coming to?

[angee_is_mad]

90. My hometown paper

YES!!!!! Also Obama took my county in the primary and he will win NC!