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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:38 AM
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White House defends takeover of AIG
Source: AP

WASHINGTON - The White House says the extraordinary federal takeover of American International Group was needed to prevent broader harm to the reeling economy. But officials there also are acknowledging that taxpayers may never get fully back paid on the deal.

In the most far-reaching intervention into the private sector ever for the Federal Reserve, the government stepped in Tuesday to rescue American International Group Incorporated with an $85 billion injection of taxpayer money. The government will get almost an 80 percent stake in the company.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Wednesday that the harm to the taxpayer could be even higher if AIG were to fail.

She said taxpayers would be the first to be reimbursed for the bailout. But when asked whether taxpayers may not get paid back at all, she said "That is true."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_markets
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:39 AM
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1. They're probably right
AIG couldn't be allowed to crash and burn. It has tentacles that are far reaching. That doesn't change the fact that we've been screwed.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:51 AM
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8. So the point of business now is to get too big to fail?
Then you can take unlimited risk, and unlimited profit while tax payers are screwed. This is a bullshit deal and it will do more harm than good.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:32 AM
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18. Yes and Governments new role is too not allow companies
to get so big in the firstplace.
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Finite Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:05 AM
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11. It makes me wonder
if this means George Bush is a socialist now..
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:26 AM
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16. I was ust thinking that same thing.
The government owns huge businesses. Sounds like socialism to me. I thought the Pukes didn't go for that sort of thing. Oh, I forgot. They have to bail out their rich buddies.

Bake
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:03 PM
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29. Bush is anything that will avoid total financial chaos
I suspect that even George is a bit nervous...if for no other reason than he doesn't want to go down in history as presiding over the total collapse of our house of cards.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:40 AM
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2. Anyone else think these takeovers are just to delay the real collapse until after Nov. 5th?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:47 AM
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6. that's exactly what it is: delay of the inevitable
the money has to come from some where... we don't have it, so the WH is borrowing more of what we don't have, which makes the situation worse, not better.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:11 AM
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13. That's been the end game for the last year. The inevitable failure
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 11:20 AM by greyghost
started when the housing bubble burst last year. Bush Co has been trying to forestall the market crash since then, to prevent it from happening while they're still in office.

Problem is that the collapse is coming much faster then they thought it would. So their reaction has been to throw more worthless paper into the black hole.


If the majority of the American people were smart enough to realize what is happening...
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:27 AM
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17. Yes. Bankrupt fat cats bailed out by a bankrupt government.
Disaster capitalism at work.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:25 PM
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28. Yup. Fingers in the dyke..
meanwhile here comes the tsunami.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:42 AM
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3. How much is that, Mr Frees?
Hugh Fennyman: How much is that, Mr Frees?

Frees: Twenty pounds to the penny, Mr. Fennyman.

Hugh Fennyman: Correct.

Philip Henslowe: But I have to pay the actors and the author.

Hugh Fennyman: Share of the profits.

Philip Henslowe: There's never any.

Hugh Fennyman: Of course not.

Philip Henslowe: Oh, oh, Mr. Fennyman. I think you might have hit upon something.


- Shakespeare in Love
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:46 AM
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4. I'll take my cut now Mr. BOOsh!
:mad: :mad: :mad:

and they got rid of all of the bankruptcy laws that might cover people here in the USA thanks to the likes of you Mr. BOOsh.

I'd like my tiny portion now damnit!

:kick:

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:53 AM
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9. YEAH!!! IT'S MY MONEY AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!! n/t
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:23 PM
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27. Let's start with raiding the assets of all managers who got a bonus..
that ought to raise 100 million or so.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:47 AM
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5. Big Republican Rip OFF! AIG is just another scam. Truth: AIG should have failed.
Will wall street aristocrats pay back the money they made when AIG bought all of those companies? I don't think so. Justice and common sense demands that AIG be allowed to fail. But like thievies in the night, the Republican Rip-off artists continue to take money borrowed from china and give it to crooks.

AIG is deeply involved in some sort of insurance scam that is not regulated. So WHY the Frick should we pay for it?


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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:51 AM
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7. You make a good point. Not only are we paying for this with tax dollars
but all the money borrowed from China to also pay for this is going to be debt passed on to the next generation.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:54 AM
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10. "I know we promised 'only the head', but once you get started and into a rhythm"
You must understand that WE (the Bush BFF) are going to rape the treasury. We intend to leave this nation begging for bread scraps.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:09 AM
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12. Didn't Bush say two days ago the economy was "strong" enough to handle the turmoil?
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 11:10 AM by brentspeak
Guess he lied -- again.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:23 AM
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14. Has anyone else noticed that the smirk is off the chimps face!
Bush looks like he finally realized that he isn't going to make a clean getaway.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:26 AM
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15. Why Can't They Make These Things Conditional?
Like, say, the CEO and other executives agree to walk away and never operate a publicly traded company again?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:34 AM
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19. If Bush likes this idea, then we know the economy is in BIG trouble
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:48 AM
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20. AIG is an arm of Bushco
The Bushes have been business partners with Maurice "Hank" Greenberg for years. They own Kroll Associates, a known CIA front company and have been in the thick of most everything, including 9/11.

I'd post some links on here but they'll yank my post as the mods did yesterday. but if you google AIG and 9/11 you'll find some pretty interesting stuff, which leads all over the place to the drug trade, pipelines, you name it.

AIG may indeed be "too big" to fail but they are also arm and arm with the neocon masters. That must be a central reason as to why they are being taken care of.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 11:55 AM
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21. and BIG Chinese money in AIG
their offices in China and Sing are experiencing panic rushes of ppl wanting to cash in.

Poppy Bu$h = BIG Chinese connections.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:15 PM
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31. Conspiracy nut BS.
No wonder the Mods yanked your post... :rofl:
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 04:31 PM
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34. Go back to sleep. n/t
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:08 PM
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22. The government already owns AIG
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 12:16 PM by BecauseBushSaysSo
It's called the CIA. This is money laudering at it's finest. They are attacking us again without planes or bombs. They are taking all they can before they hopefully leave in January. AIG, CIA, Kroll securities had the WTC contract, Al CIAda, all owned or linked to our govenment. We are our own enemy. Who Killed John O'Neill

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3857917663523144457
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:16 PM
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32. You conspiracy nuts are funny...
:rofl:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:13 PM
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23. Where are the conservatives screaimg bloody murder?
Does this not reek of nationanlization (ie socialism)???
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:15 PM
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24. Imagine if a Dem administration did this nationalization. They would be calling for a
revolution.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:21 PM
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25. But, but, McInsane said the market fundamentals were sound.
Or was that Hoover who said it. Oh I'm just confused. It's like the last Republicon Great Depression only it's not. It's like socialism only it's not. It's like the markets are crashing only they aren't. It's like I'm unemployed only..., nope I am unemployed, wait there's a waitress job opening up at the local dinner.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:22 PM
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26. So we're going to raise corporate taxes to pay for this right shrub?
what's that I hear, crickets?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:12 PM
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30. Gee, are they starting to admit that Reganomics doesn't work?
Broken clocks are correct twice a day...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:26 PM
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33. if AIG was that 'fundamental' to the economy - why describe the fundamentals as strong and then take
the tax payers money!!!!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 04:36 PM
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35. Zorra's Infallible Law: If the Bu*h WH supports it, it is wrong for America.
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