Racial views steer some away from Obama

[HughMoran]

Source: Associated Press

Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles.

The poll suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.

Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.
...

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13658.html

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Ugggh, I hate reading stuff like this - especially about Dems. I only post this for informational purposes - it makes me sick to my stomach. :puke: Looks like we'll need a substantial lead heading into election day...

[Robb]

1. "Deep-seated racial misgivings" = racists fucktards.

The good news is that more of them are dying every day.

[ncteechur]

2. Then they are not true democrats.

[HughMoran]

10. Agreed

Still makes me sick :puke:

[Coventina]

20. It's a generational thing, and something that I believe is rapidly declining.

My grandmother is not racist herself, but is a Democrat because her father (my great-grandfather) was. And he most definitely was a bigot - big time! His father had fought in the civil war (my great-great-grandfather) for the South. And they were all Democrats of course!! To become a Republican, for the next few generations meant joining the party of Lincoln! Unthinkable!

Like I said, I hope this will soon die out, and the Democratic party will put that shameful past behind it...

[mattfromnossa]

39. No they are not!

40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

[ohio2007]

3. they will vote one way, and in public, declare another stolen election

the most vocal will be the true racists at that time.

[DeepModem Mom]

4. Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama; Could cost him White House in close election

Source: NYT/AP

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks -- many calling them ''lazy,'' ''violent'' or responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 -- about two and one-half percentage points.

Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

More than a third of all white Democrats and independents -- voters Obama can't win the White House without -- agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views....

***

Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice....

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-AP-Yahoo-Poll-Obama-Race.html?pagewanted=all

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. This is the kind of crap that encourages me to write about my community.

Maybe they won't change, but we can still reach their kids.

[napi21]

6. I believe Obama will win AS LONG AS all those new voters show up!

THAT is my biggest fear! So many new people have been registered, but how can we keep them excited enough to actually get off their behinds on election day? IF we succeed at getting them to the polls, Obama will WIN by a lot more than 1 1/2%!

[DavidMS]

14. Somthing else

Most of the hard-core racists will vote McSame anyways.

That said, one of my friends who unfortunately is a Republican and is planing to hold his nose and vote for Bush's 3rd term. He thinks that if Obama has a lead of less than 10 points he will loose because people do lie to pollsters.

I would put the number at 5 or 8 percentage points. Given that Daily Kos's poll says Obama has an 8 point lead with a MOE of 3 percent, he has a lead of 5 points outside of the Margin of Error, still to close, but the Palin bounce is over.

Then again Palin is God's gift to the Democratic Party, she is scaring the moderates to vote for us. Who outside of the 7% (Christian Wackos), really wants a book burner living at the Naval Observatory?

David

[knixphan]

33. Hell yes

And it's up to US to get them to show up.

Everybody grab one youngster, and make sure he/she gets to the booth.

[Orrex]

7. I've been thinking about this crap for a while now, alas

Every objection I've heard about Obama (from people who aren't going to vote for him) boils down to either:

1. A default "I hate Democrats" position, the same bullshit that hits any Democrat running for any office.

2. A default "I hate blacks" position, the same bullshit that hits any member of a minority doing pretty much anything.


We live in a land of enlightenment, that's for sure.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

9. maybe we could get the idiotic bigots to focus on his white side

:eyes:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

8. oh brother... what a trashy and transparent piece of RW propaganda

designed to create racial mistrust and set the stage for their 3rd steal - but I do not believe they'll be able to pull it off this time.

[dtotire]

11. Unfortunately it's true

I think he'll still win--but with a lower margin than Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, or Chris Dodd would have gotten.Probably 4 to 6% of the popular vote.

[xchrom]

12. this could be a geographic thing -- or -- consider this

many of those identified haven't voted dem in years. which is what i suspect.

[Nevernose]

25. And what was the age of the polled?

Younger people are much less likely to be racists, statistically. Of course statistically younger people are far more likely to be skinheads, but you know what I mean.

I remember in the early 90s my grandmother talking about how "being a maid wasn't easy so her friends should show more respect for negroes and the work they do." The woman thought she was a voice for racial equality because she'd used the word "negro" instead of "nigger." Eventually she even moved on to "black," but she never broke the habit of calling unfamiliar black men "boy" or "uncle." She wasn't even a bad person -- just an old person (she would have been 98 this year) who grew up in a different time in a VERY different South.

[Iterate]

13. By RON FOURNIER-AP | 9/20/08 7:55 AM EDT

Not that I'm for shooting the messenger (the message can fail on its own), but this prolific messenger does seem to have an unusual skill for finding stories that all have a common theme.

[Elidor]

78. You're exactly right - and here's a takedown of the whole ugly thing

Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks - many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles.

- Ron Fournier, Associated Press, September 20, 2008

Theorem: The amount of time conservatives spend talking about the Bradley Effect is inversely proportional to the fortunes of their candidate.



- Nate Silver, September 19, 2008

Today's AP story wasn't exactly about the so-called "Bradley Effect" or "Wilder Effect," a popular theory in the 1980s and 1990s that posited that some white Americans lie to pollsters claiming they will support African-American candidates but vote then against them in the secrecy of the ballot box.

The theory - if it was true back then - has been very thoroughly disproved in recent years, and today we'll walk you through all the documentation you need to debunk it when asked about it by others...

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/ap%E2%80%99s-ron-fournier-racial-arsonist-and-unethical-journalist

A very long article, but worth the read. And here's a telling bit from the article:

Let's think about that last sentence carefully. One third of white Democrats agreed with a negative adjective about African-Americans. But 58 percent of those supposed "racists" - a majority of them - are still voting for a particular African-American in specific. And that's supposed to be "bad news" for Obama's candidacy?

[Zenlitened]

15. George Orwell was a dewy-eyed idealist...

... when it comes to worrying about corruption of language and meaning. Today's propaganda practitioners have his worst fears beat by light-years.

"Deep-seated racial misgivings"???? :wow:

[Peacetrain]

16. There are those who love their biases, and do not realize they have them.. period

And it is amazing to me sometimes how those who refuse to acknowledge their biases will turn themselves inside out trying to prove that no they are not. These are in fact, the worst kind of bigots.

An out and out bigot you can confront and even in the end reason with, because you can show them how wrong they are

But the silent bigots, yeah buddy, those are the hard ones to deal with. And to get through too.

I am so sick and tired of Obama being warned by the msm, that he better not show he is an "angry black man", and in the same breath, commend the republicans who are angry 24/7 as somehow showing they are committed and strong. Give me a break.

When you hear commentary such as Bill O'Reilly saying things such as "Michelle Obama looks like and angry person".. That is coded racism. It just is.


Oh by the way, bigots come in all colors and both genders. But bigotry by a majority is much more lethal by sheer numbers than bigotry by a minority. It just is.

So when Obama wins, whether its 20 points or 2 points, the fact is that he will have won, and it will be a great day for our country. It is only then that we can start to move these silent bigots of all colors and gender and culture into some kind of enlightenment, because truthfully, they do not realize how bigoted they are.

We are getting so much better. We really are, but we have a long way to go.

[Zenlitened]

17. I disagree on one point. I think they turn themselves...

... inside and out denying their own bigotry because they are all-to-aware they're bigots.

The "ignorant and proud" syndrome. Wallowing in shit, and loudly proclaiming not only that shit is a WONDERFUL thing to wallow in, but that THEIR shit is the best and most wonderful of all.

In other words, the Republican base.

[Peacetrain]

18. Maybe that was too general a comment, but I have to be honest with you

I have met people, who sincerely do not realize how bigoted they are. Again, the whole "angry" meme is maybe one of the easiest ones to pick out.

Obama faces racism, but less than most, because seriously his mother is white. His extended family is Asian, he just has a lot for people to identify with.

The person in that family that faces more overt and covert racism/sexism is Michelle. But she is strong. Women white, black, yellow and brown, have another set of prejudices that they have to fight.

But like I said at the end, the country really is in a much better place than say 50 years ago. And it will be in a much better place 10 years from now.

Will all these ism's suddenly disappear. Of course not, but you can only deal with them, when you are aware of them :)

[Fire1]

19. I doze off into my dream world every now and then, too.

[Peacetrain]

21. drive by poster heh?

You have to give me some content there son,

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. When they steal the election, this poll will be quoted as evidence

of the "Bradley factor", where people told pollsters they voted for Obama to avoid appearing racist, but actually voted for McCain....
I can hear the pundits now: "even though Obama had a 10 point lead in the polls, our polling experts tell us the "Bradley factor" could be the only explanation for his 3 point loss..."

[Dumak]

23. Hilariously biased AP article

The article says "Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too". No shit, George "Macacawitz" Allen had over 49% of the vote *after* his overt display of racism. The Republican party is over 90% racists, or Allen wouldn't have been that close.

[FVZA_Colonel]

32. And it seems to be based on polling data at least a week old.

I'm not saying that there won't be racist shitheads this week, but releasing this at the end of such a terrible week for McCain seems like a desperate attempt to drive a stake into the charge Obama's been on.

[Fran Kubelik]

24. This just in: some people are racist.

This isn't news, and frankly reeks of right wing media manipulation.

[Rhiannon12866]

26. K&R. They talked about this last night on Bill Maher.

Though they said that it's not a conscious thing with many voters, but a subliminal thing that strikes them when they're actually in the voting booth and they have to make a choice. Very sad, especially in the 21st century and with such a huge difference between candidates, one who has proven himself to be a statesman with ideas and the other who lately seems to need a keeper...:-(

on edit: Looks like we'll need a substantial lead heading into election day... They also said this on Bill Maher...:-(

[FVZA_Colonel]

41. If Obama keeps gaining in the polls, and can hold it, we might be ok.

I doubt it would have to be 10 percent as one person mentioned in the thread above (a Republican he knew said this), but I think Obama is gaining as the economy continues to go south.

[Rhiannon12866]

42. The thing is, I can't imagine why it's even close, makes no sense to me...

But I said that the last time. *sigh*

This country has gone to hell in a handbasket and I imagine that the even the racists aren't too happy with their circumstances now...:shrug:

[Mz Pip]

27. This doesn't mean they'll vote for

McCain. I would suspect that many of these people will just stay home.

THe key to winning is turn out, particularly 18 -35 year olds who support Obama. If Democrats turn out in record numbers, Obama will win.

[still_one]

28. So let's see. The party that wants to destroy social security, medicare, and deregulate everything

plus fight endless wars, ban abortion even in the case of rape and incest, people would choose just because of their racism?

I don't buy it

Record number of NEW Democrats are being registered

Women of ALL colors are moving toward us

As long as we vote in volume

WE WIN

[FightingIrish]

29. A country that would pass up a gift like Barack Obama

for the basest of all reasons is a country I would no longer consider mine.

[young_at_heart]

30. Ditto!

It's truly difficult to fathom such thinking---it makes one sick to the stomach!

[Name removed]

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[Lithos]

34. Poor for the following reasons?

Are you saying that's what they think, or what you think?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. America is NOT a nation of merit.

Do you think someone as dumb as Bush wouldn't be homeless if he didn't have his name and money connections?

[mbee]

35. It is likely that as more tent cities appear

racism will begin to disappear!

[True_Blue]

37. I think there's another factor they aren't considering

Aren't most racists also sexist? I have a feeling a lot of them may vote for Obama because they're also sexist. They just might find Obama is the lesser of 2 evils.

[dchill]

38. So now the AP is blatantly playing the race card.

"Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close..." I don't think this kind of screed could fan any smoldering embers of racial paranoia, do you? Just digging up this stinking corpse of a message couldn't possibly stink, could it? Couldn't possibly stink more, I mean.

And John McCain could spontaneously combust on November 5th. Sarah Palin could tell the truth one time and be instantly raptured into sainthood, thus denying us the pure nirvana of either one of them in the White House. The ASSociated Press could print relevant polls and use empirical data, but that might strongly suggest that Obama is winning, and could also strongly suggest unbiased, informative editorial content.

They could, but they probably won't.

[EFerrari]

40. Yep. There is nothing new in this article except that more Clinton supporters

have come over to Obama.

Thanks, Authorized Propaganda!

[appleannie1]

43. My husband is racist and he is voting Obama so there is hope that it will not make

that much difference. Even some racists hate what McSame stands for.

[fascisthunter]

44. Yet, MOST Support Obama

...that's a positive.

[Doctor_J]

45. American Pravda is trying to grease the track for election theft

HOpefully this time around we won't slink back to our houses when democracy is taken from us.

[OKNancy]

46. kick for the mods

[HughMoran]

69. Sadly, this is a legitimate news story

Something we should probably be aware of - as distaseful as it may seem. This vile story has been posted on a dozen or so sites, including my Comcast email homepage where I first saw it.

[Faygo Kid]

47. Widespread racial bias among whites could tip election, poll finds

Source: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080920/NEWS15/80920035

WASHINGTON — Racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found a third of white Democrats have negative views toward blacks — many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about 2.5 percentage points.

Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He’s an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation’s oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40% of white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can’t win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don’t have such views. . . .

Read more: Detroit Free Press

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Godammit, I am going to fight these filth, if this is true. And I believe it probably is.

[MadMaddie]

48. Yes there are people that won't vote for Obama but there

are a lot more that will. They spin these numbers to favor McCain, I don't pay attention to the polls. I pay attention to what is being reported on the ground and it doesn't match what the media is telling us.

[Maria Wr]

49. Keep working

don't be distracted by naysayers.

[cliffordu]

50. yep.....Posted this morning, still scummy as it was then.

I hate racists....

Does that make me just as bad??

[HowHasItComeToThis]

51. B.S. TO BE SURE

[Adelante]

52. We're going to win

I don't care what anybody says :)

[Faygo Kid]

59. I'm with you, my friend, And if we don't, I retire early, and make difference in my community.

Sarah Palin with the nuclear codes. Awful.

[melody]

60. We will win -- there is simply no other choice n/t

[firedupdem]

53. seems like the race issue was on every poll and in every

major newspaper this week. They are just trying to make people feel unsure. Fuck em...

[FVZA_Colonel]

54. Well, he's currently doing better than 2.5%.

But even then, I think this is way too damn large. And that it relies on data from before last week, and is released after McCain's worst week yet, just seems like it was dropped to help McCain.

[OakCliffDem]

55. Widespread voter turnout could elect Obama

We all need to get out and vote this election.

[villager]

56. Part of a narrative for election theft; Also GOTV will be absolutely critical

n/t

[Sal Minella]

57. Both the poll and the interpretation of results are completely flawed, imnsho --

If you polled a bunch of people of color saying, "Do you think whites tend to be unnecessarily violent?" and 80 percent said "Yes" -- then you could post results saying "Eighty percent of black people think Jimmy Carter is unnecessarily violent."

And given the recent history of the Repugs, I just wonder if the poll was really conducted at all. And who paid for it? And why? Not that I distrust the media at all. :sarcasm:

[melody]

58. Bullshit -- the GOP is just trying to set-up an attempt at theft

Which is why we have to work harder. If the wave is big enough, they can't keep us down.

[Divine Discontent]

61. it is NOT lost on me that everyone I know who is a Republican or who is a Dem who is leaning McCain

is a racist imo. people can be such judgmental asses. if mcstain gets in, I will be writing everyone I know and saying if they voted for mcstain, don't come to me when you lose your home, don't write me when you lose your job, and don't call me when you want someone to listen to you complain about how messed up health care is, how ridiculous the continued warfare abroad is that just took your friend or relative, or the ferocity of hurricanes getting worse and our gov't response to them seems to be getting less and less active...


MORE AT www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[rayofreason]

79. Hmmm....

"it is NOT lost on me that everyone I know who is a Republican or who is a Dem who is leaning McCain is a racist imo."

and

"people can be such judgmental asses."

right next to each other. The irony is amazing!

[Juche]

62. eh

Harvard has a test called the implicit association test.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4447471.stm

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

About 80% of whites and 50% of blacks show a bias against black people and preference for white people. I have taken the test, and I scored as biased against blacks (associating them with negative connotations). yeah I'm an asshole, feel free to flame me from your 20% high horses.

But so what. I am an Obama supporter. And in the 2008 presidential implicit association test I have a very strong preference for Obama and against McCain.

On another note, Malcolm Gladwell said in his book that positive black role models is one of the most effective ways to overcome this implicit bias that even he, as a half black person had. Obama is doing a pretty good job of that and even if this race doesn't work out, it'll be a massive step forward for our culture.


And on another note, in 2004 John Kerry won the youth vote by 11% and the latino vote by 11%. Back then youths and latinos (assuming no overlap, which there is) made up 24% of the electorate.

In 2008 Obama is winning the youth vote by about 25-35%, and the latino vote by 40% (disgust over GOP attitudes towards immigrants is pushing latinos back into the dem corner). In this election latinos and youth will make up about 30% of the electorate. And they will play a big role in swing states like Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.

Throw in the extra boost Obama will give the black vote in higher turnout and even higher preferences for the dems and Obama will hopefully/likely win.

[Faygo Kid]

66. Thanks for this post. Absolutely excellent.

It's tough out there, but I very much appreciate this analysis. Excellent, and thanks.

[Zhade]

71. You should work on that bias.

You're honest enough to admit to a real character flaw, which means you're decent enough to fix it.

[madaboutharry]

63. I don't really believe this.

I have been canvassing and phone banking in very white parts of Wisconsin. Obama has a lot of support there. The support is coming from all over the demographic map: elderly white women, blue collar men, rich people living in honking big houses, first time voters... the list goes on. People are now scared and McCain and Palin are scaring them even more. Some of these people are enthusiastic supporters and others aren't too wild about him but are going to vote for him anyway. I think the racist voter isn't going to tip the election. I would be shocked if that is the case.

[RoccoR5955]

64. This is pure total BS from freepers. Besides,

there are more of 'us' than there are of 'them.' With 11 million new Democratic voters registered, more than the Freeps, there is no way that they can win.

They are backed into a corner, and are letting out every bit of BS that they have. They feel it is the only tactic left for them.

[lonestarnot]

65. If the lumpy motherfucker wins this on a biggotted cheat, the biggots

deserve every bit of the shock and awe they are about to get.

[and-justice-for-all]

67. Really? DINO alert.

"one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks" Sounds like to me that some repig assholes have called them selves Dems and managed to distort their poll.

I find this very unlikely that real Dems harbor such views, this article is very racist and very repig. And giving that Obama is HALF and was raised by his single WHITE mother and White grand parents, how exactly does this article relate to him?

I think this article, poll, is meant to disenchant us and to set in a false negative.

Repigs are the party of biogtry, not REAL Dems.

[HughMoran]

68. Yep, it's REAL Dems versus DINOs

I know all too many Dems who don't even realize they are bigoted. I just roll my eyes and think "well, it's a vote on election day" :eyes:

[Zhade]

70. "Racist views steer some away from Obama"

Fixed the headline.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

72. I'm thinking more black people will vote because he's running...

...and they finally feel someone will listen to them.

And, for that matter, the racist views of the thug party make Obama more appealing to me.

[HughMoran]

74. I'd love to see this

If people (blacks, Dems in general) can be convinced that their votes really will matter this time, we win.

[Ah Xoc Kin]

73. oh come on people

Oh come on. Everyone in the US knew race would
be a factor. I can't imagine my grandmother,
who's been voting Democrat since FDR (or whenever the hell)
is going to vote Obama. I didn't ask her,
but I know well enough she won't. I'm afraid some
older Dems are going to stay home/vote McCain.

[Shardik]

75. I hate to see news like this.

I went through the 70's and saw the changes and hopes that occurred. Now, when "the rubber meets the road," and actual change is possible in the US government, the old hatreds raise their ugly heads.

I'm still praying that there are enough folks out there like you and me that will make a difference.

[TankLV]

76. If you don't like it - then why are you PUBLICIZING IT?!?!?!

[HughMoran]

77. It's been posted 5 times today here - once exactly 1 minute after I posted it

It's a story that we have to acknowledge, whether we like what it says or not. This is a reality in this election cycle - as awful as it is to imagine that this sort of undercurrent of bigotry still exists. It does - I can vouch for this even in my liberal Democrat family. My bigoted brother (who, like me, grew up in an integrated neighborhood) came out with something disgusting about "one of them" - I pretended I didn't hear him and walked away (arguing with him is like talking to a stick of dynamite).

[Faygo Kid]

81. Yes, reality often sucks. But we need to acknowledge it.

Ignoring it does not make it go away.

[rayofreason]

80. The Bradley effect...

...is at play here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

[JerseygirlCT]

82. Makes me sick, too.

I can't even understand this.

[undeterred]

83. We have to talk about it.

And people have to struggle with their own consciences. There is only one thing that changes peoples minds, and that is life experience. People have to give others a chance and they will find that people of other races are just as competent. Anyone who listens to Barack Obama and does not realize this man is exceptionally bright is a fool.

[glinda]

84. THINGS THAT DON'T HELP

in fact, are meant to perpetuate it along:

1) total uneven viewing of Bios for Presidential candidates and VPs. McCain and Palin get a lot of viewings as well as in better time slots. Hardly ever see the ones on Biden aired.

2) failure of information getting out on Obama, his family background, etc....

3) tons more interviews with McCarthy (ooops! meant McCain) and Palin. Tons more. As well as almost a total avoidance of Biden being interviewed.

4) Allowing the McCarthy (ooops! Did it again!!!) Campaign to run questionable adds that hint at racism and poor media coverage on it.


And then there is pure old hatred of what one doesn't know. Or just plain stupidity which we have tons of. I knew this was going to be the factor and when posted this comment on Huffington Post, felt like I was viewed as out of touch. Well....Helllllooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only help for this is for people to get a lot more exposure to Obama and also to Biden.