Bush on CNN now

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

Naming Chuck Robb and others to commission, which will investigate WMDs and other threats.....a whitewash, imho.

[arcane1]

1. makes sense, after all, since Clinton got to choose Ken Starr...

oh wait...

:silly:

[Mari333]

5. The Dems better f*cking YELL to high heaven about this

And Im not kidding..

WHITEWASH WHITEWASH WHITEWASH WHITEWASH WHITEWASH WHITEWASH

[loudnclear]

55. We (Dem candidates included) scream to high heaven!

We are letting the administration and media frame the issue once again. Any investigation MUST include the "use" of intel as well as the quality of the intel. If you misues even excellent intel you can get the same results that we are faced with today. Chaos and unnecessary loss of lives and resources.

[Caution]

2. whitewash is right

from the CNN story:

The panel will issue a report next year -- after the presidential election -- and McClellan promised its members would have access to whatever information they need as they assess the accuracy of U.S. intelligence about Iraq's weapons programs before the invasion.

White House: Intelligence panel will be objective

NEXT YEAR? what the F(*&!!!!

[RandomKoolzip]

9. There goes our chances of using intelligence issues

to our advantage in the election. NEXT YEAR?

[lancdem]

14. We can still use it

We don't need the findings of some commission Bush appointed to assist us.

[Drifter]

32. No, but ...

we better have the Fucking Impeachment Articles written and ready to go. More and more like Watergate.

Cheers
Drifter

[trogdor]

52. Off topic: Dig that sig graphic.

Got a good chuckle out of it.

[Mari333]

3. A good time to spread your ass cheeks on the screen

because thats all the lying bastard deserves..to KISS OUR BUTTS.

[prodigal_green]

6. With Apologies to Gary Larsen

What the president says: Weapons of Mass Destruction, gathering threat, independent commission...

What the public hears: Blah blah blah lies blah lies lies lies blah blah...

[Fenris]

4. what a fucking joke

The man has done 10 press conference since he has been in office. His dad had done 61 by the same time in his administration.

[trogdor]

53. Ten? That many?

Most of those were staged affairs where Bush just replying to every question with the bullshit of the day.

[TexasPatriot]

7. surprised Kissinger wasnt on the list

[BeHereNow]

8. President of Yale was on the list too

Rick Leban (sp?)
Let's keep it in the Skull and Bones family....
WHAT UTTER NONSENSE.
Sad think is, the average Amur'kkkin aint gonna
blink or think about it.
BHN

[RandomKoolzip]

12. Imagine if Nixon had been allowed as much leeway on this

stuff as 43* is getting....Watergate would still just be the name of a hotel right now....."Nothing to see here, folks...."

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. Mar. 31, 2005

will be date the report is to be released. Lawrence Silberman, John McCain, Lloyd Cutler, Rick Lemmon(?) Admiral, Judge Pat Wald-will name two additional members later. No questions from reporters answered.

John King reporting-Pres. names 3 Dems, told they are looking for current Dem in Congress.

"We are determined to find out what happened" Bush said. Yeah, right.

Panel will have full access to previous findings.

[stopbush]

That date will fall by the wayside along with everything else

after bush declares martial law and cancels the election results in November.

White House = Whitewash

[alittlelark]

46. I see stopbush's scenario as highly possible

The thought makes me sick, but if you trap a feral animal in the corner they WILL attack.

This is a truly feral administration.

[stevedeshazer]

15. Current Dem in Congress?

Who, fucking Zell Miller?

[TexasPatriot]

18. lol

hadnt thought of that...
i think it would be a mistake though... Zell would chew em up. I'd expect a house member from a district where they could run a strong pub but wont... quid pro quo and all that

[arcane1]

16. damn, isn't that more time than the 9/11 panel gets?

this is goddamned ridiculous :grr:

[stopbush]

11. And Georgie RUNS AWAY before a single question can be asked!!

CHICKENSHIT!!

Go tape your "live" interview with Mr PotatoEhead now, you fucking POS.

[Wickerman]

13. Look for this: Its not the WH policy to discuss ongoing investigations

the no accountability Pres. :puke:

[Atman]

22. Sorry, Timmy...W can't talk much tomorrow.

Jeezus, these guys are good. The set-up has been made. Tomorrow's interview on MTP will be a one-hour campaign speech, looking back at how he and Churchill are great leaders, and that he'd do it again. IOW, the same shit they're playing in their road show these days. And when Timmy lobs even the softest of softballs at the Chimp, he'll just say...

"It is WH policy not to comment on an ongoing investigation."

Then they should just SHUT THE FUCK UP right now, because their entire regime is being investigated by one agency or another.

[Newsjock]

17. CBC Newsworld about to take viewer calls on Bush and commission

That number: 1-800-665-1433. No idea if it works from the U.S. as well, or if they even take U.S. calls.

Segment supposedly will last through end of hour, 2pm EST.

Newsworld's coverage is so much better. "Don't you think this makes the president look like he's ... panicked?"

On edit... here come the calls...

Q from Montreal: It's more about how he looked ... "the guy looked nervous, kept bobbling his words, he was totally out of it."

Another Q from Montreal: "The president picks all these members ... is that valid, the conclusion the commission will get?"

Next Q, from Ontario: "Will there be crossover, looking at the British intelligence as well? And will they look how much influence people like Karl Rove have on this commission?"

[lancdem]

26. Very astute people you have there in Canada

:)

[stopbush]

19. Here's the commission so far:

Sen. Whitewash
Rep Diversion
Gen Whateverbushsez
University Pres Yeahwhatever
Sen Bushisgod
Rep Clintondidit
Gov Imwithstupid

others to be named later

[RobertSeattle]

23. Yuk Yuk - thanks - needed the Friday humor

[City Lights]

28. stopbush, that would make a great

letter to the editor. :thumbsup:

[lancdem]

31. LOL!

[grasswire]

20. Do you know who Silberman is?????

Laurence Silberman is the Federalist Society's fixer. He was one of the three-judge panel that appointed Kenneth Starr to go after Clinton. He is a weasel, a tool of Richard Mellon Scaife, and one of the most partisan judges you could find.

DU-ers and Dems had better acquaint themselves with this man.

He's now the co-chairman of this investigation.

[lancdem]

25. Thanks for the heads-up

I thought his name sounded familiar. We need to make a big stink about this, and hope the Dems do, too.

[stevedeshazer]

29. Right, grasswire

Here's some info on Silberman:

Who is Laurence Silberman?

The judge who declared that Clinton was "at war with the US government" is a long-time political operative in the right-wing of the Republican Party. In 1980 Silberman served as a Reagan campaign aide carrying out some of the most delicate and politically sensitive assignments. He was dubbed the Reagan-Bush campaign's "ambassador to Iran" for his behind-the-scenes contacts with the Khomeini regime.

The Republican campaign was seeking to determine whether Khomeini intended to release any American hostages, held in the US embassy in Tehran, before the election. By some accounts, Reagan and Bush sought to forestall any such "October surprise," which would presumably have aided the Democratic incumbent Jimmy Carter, and Silberman conveyed their sentiments to the Iranians.

Silberman's reward was a nomination to the Court of Appeals for Washington DC, the most political and powerful circuit court because it handles most cases involving the federal government. His most important decision on the Court of Appeals came in the case of Lt. Col. Oliver North, the principal figure in the Iran-Contra affair. Silberman and fellow justice David Sentelle, a former aide to arch-right-wing Republican Senator Jesse Helms, voided the convictions of both North and Admiral John Poindexter in 1990. Their intervention played a key role in sabotaging the investigation by Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh.

Silberman's close ally Sentelle was largely responsible for the 1994 decision to remove Whitewater prosecutor Robert Fiske and replace him with the more conservative and highly partisan Republican Kenneth Starr as Independent Counsel. Sentelle chaired the three judge panel which removed Fiske and appointed Starr in his place. The other two members of the panel were retired judges who normally follow the direction of chairman. When Silberman declares that Starr alone represents the US government, he is silent on how the right-wing judge--a former colleague of Silberman's on the Circuit Court bench--came to be chosen.

source: http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/july1998/silb-j18.shtml
____________________________________________________________________

This guy is at the very heart of the felonious freaks that run our government for their own personal benefit.

[RapidCreek]

58. Gosh Stevie

How can you expect to bring these people over to your point of view if you call them felonious freaks? More importantly you might upset their supporters....and we can't have that!

RC

[BeHereNow]

30. And Chuck Robb is a prince of a guy too...

Check out my post below-
he owes the Bushies big time.
BHN

[Neecy]

36. and don't forget the Robb Texas connection

He's LBJ's former son-in-law (although I believe that Johnson's daughter divorced him some time ago for his excessive womanizing).

Interesting that he'd work for an administration who's spokesman has a father who has openly accused LBJ of killing Kennedy. It certainly gets odd.

[BeHereNow]

40. Chuck Robb: LBJ's Son-in-law

Great background essay on Robb-
Unfortunately, reveals more bad news
about his appointment- The Carlyle Group and Carlucci.
We are so F&*cked.
BHN
http://www.bizforward.com/wdc/issues/1999-12/analysis/
On edit- forgot to paste the link.

[gulfcoastliberal]

33. Blinded by the Right

Has some good dirt on Silberman. He is the worst possible choice. (Best choice for *)

[lancdem]

35. Of course, Rove is probably figuring the media

won't report any of his RW ties.

[ozymandius]

39. Here's the Buzzflash interview with David Brock.

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/03/02/18.html

DAVID BROCK: Judge Lawrence Silberman, who sits on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, was an appointee of President Reagan to that court. His wife Ricky was the vice-chairman of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission during the period that Clarence Thomas was the chairman on the Commission. I met them originally as sources for my first book on the Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill hearings. They went beyond the role of source.

BUZZFLASH: Well, you say on page 146 of your book, in reference to that, "though, he was a sitting federal judge who would rule on matters to which the Clinton administration was a party. Larry strongly urged me to go forward."

DAVID BROCK: By the way, his court sits right below the Supreme Court. And so there are a lot of cases that come before the court dealing with the Executive Branch -- regulatory matters, things of that nature. When various assertions of executive privilege were being made by the White House during the impeachment, he sat in on at least one, if not more, of those cases.

BUZZFLASH: And Silberman did not recuse himself.

DAVID BROCK: No, he did not recuse himself, even though, as I said, he had been directly involved. I think it's clear that the kind of activity that Silberman was engaging in is not permitted. It falls into a category of the kind of partisan politics that's not permitted. And he was aware of this, because he would jokingly say to me that, when I would go to him for advice, he often started out saying something like well, it would be improper to advise you on this. And it was set sort of tongue-in-cheek, and then he would go ahead and advise me. So he was aware of what he was doing.

Aside from me, he was also very influential with the Wall Street Journal editorial page in terms of advice. And of course, the Journal editorial page was, along with the Spectator, probably the second principal anti-Clinton vehicle during that time.

[leftynyc]

38. I said the very same thing on a slightly later thread

David Brock (Blinded by the Right author) wrote all about this cretin. This is sickening.

[ozymandius]

21. I'm sure the CIA has already done its own investigation.

And it does notmake a damn bit of difference what Tenet said in his speech at Georgetown.

[Neecy]

24. what a drooling maroon

I loved how he was so breathless and panicky appointing his fake little commission. I was also struck by how much difficulty * has in pronouncing the word 'proliferation'.

This little ass-wart is such a humiliation to our country.

[BeHereNow]

27. About Chuck Robb...

Pillar of society:

"Watson investigated the stories
himself and brought back leads
indicating that Robb had attended
more than 100 parties and engaged
in sex with at least a dozen women,
including underage girls, hookers and
married women. One woman, Tai
Collins, was a former Miss Virginia and
was threatening to blow the story
sky-high. Worse, the Republicans had
gotten wind of the story and hired Billy
Franklin, a private investigator to dig
up dirt on Robb."

Snip to :
"McCloud and Watson eventually
both copped guilty pleas to lesser
charges and were punished with fines
and community service. Robb
narrowly escaped a grand jury
indictment thanks to political
string-pulling by the BUSH
administration and a well-connected
attorney at Covington & Burling, the
same law firm that would later help
McCloud and Philip Morris to oversee
Contributions Watch.

In a sane world, McCloud and
Watson would have been forced to
slink out of town and get real jobs
following their disgrace in the Robb
scandal. Instead, it seemed to mark a
stepping-stone in their careers.

http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1996Q3/sac.html

Looks like Robb owes the Bush Empire a favor...
Now, don't you feel safe?
BHN

[lancdem]

34. Wonder why the Bushies bailed him out?

The thing is, Robb no longer holds public office, butI guess they could still hold this over his head.

[gulfcoastliberal]

37. Not Taking ANY Chances, Is He?

But we knew what the deal would be. "Independent Commission" my ass.

:wtf:

[nolabels]

42. Independent (of the truth)Commission

Come on people, we knew what these freaks were going to do before they even knew they would be thinking about doing it.

This farcical attempt should help to ensconce them deeper into their mire. Looking from afar, sure seems like quicksand to me. The more they flail about, the more they sink. Anybody for getting them more excited?

[joeunderdog]

49. If they were going to stack the deck like this, why not conclude 10/04?

Frankly, I believe that we didn't even need an investigation. The Dems should've taken Kay's statements to be an admission of either complete incompetence or absolute lies and thanked him for the tip. Why pretend that there is anything here to investigate. Conclude for him. WE LEVELED AN UNARMED COUNTRY. This much we know.

Assert, time and again, that the Office of Special Bullshit was guilty of some combination of ignorance and deceipt, and that either or both evils are present in this process. Tell them that there are no other explanaitions, and ask Chimp to roll some heads like a responsible leader would do. Tell him that we can't wait until a year after we started bombing innocent countries to fix the fricken problem. Wassamattah, Chimp, Dontcha care?

[nolabels]

50. Chimps never fire their organ grinders, they just adopt new ones

Really * is a piece of art in the making, who in their rational mind could ever believe any of the stuff spun out of the Outho....I mean Whitehouse could ever be drempt of by this character?

On edit: the kill word was a little strong, but that is only because I didn't want give the rest of the chimps a bad rap.

[zulchzulu]

41. Results to be reported in 2005

I guess Bush figures he'll have a nice newly reinforced wing in Crawford, Texas. He'll still be upset about losing in the landslide.

[DoYouEverWonder]

43. This bs is going to blow up in W's face

people are waking up.

W is like a drowning man trying to hang on the control of the situation. But unlike Watergate or Whitewater these scandals are not just isolated to the Bu$h misadministration, it is global.

Bu$h is being tried in the court of public opinion. Things are started to go from bad to worse for him very quickly now. Once the media and the American people finally come to grips with the fact that Bu$h and Co are treasonous bastards who lie about everything, then it will be over. I give this gang another month or two before it really all falls apart.

We don't need no stinking independent commission. Bu$hCo is being tried on DU and other sites on the Internet right now, in real time. If W thinks he can keep a lid on things until March, he's in for a big surprise.

[Blue_Roses]

45. Yeah.

my thoughts exactly. He can't keep the lid on this for over a year. No way. Look how the Clinton thing was played out in the court of the people... however, this time, it will really be something to find and not just a witch hunt.

Bush is really very naive, however, I guess that's why he has such scandelous advisors.

[freepotter]

44. This is not a whitewash, it's a red herring!

The evidence that the intelligence community was not a failure is out there for anyone to find, as is the evidence that the * malAdministration was going to go into Iraq, come hell or high water, as soon as they could find any lousy excuse, as Mr. Oneal (sp) told us just a few days ago.

Anyone who has ever read the Plan For a New American Century (PNAC) site knows that Iraq was planned years before the neofascists could find a sock puppet dumb enough to fall for their ideas.

The Center for American Progress has a good, although not complete, synopsis of many of the stories and papers published that came right out and said that Iraq was no threat before DumbAss started his war. Link: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24889

My thoughts are: What's to investigate? We know (*) ignored the intelligence, and that the plan was in the works years ago. The investigation is simply to get everyone to stop thinking and talking about Mr. Malfeasance's f---up until after the election. We don't need an investigation, we need an impeachment!:grr:

[sendero]

47. and a....

... black cloud, a blue Friday, yellow belly, pink tutu, orange alert and green slime.

But, as I and many others have said, I really think enough Americans are on to Bush* that this whole exercise will backfire.

Americans *might* be willing to accept some contrition, some humility about this situation. They are in no mood for another round of bullshit.

This happens to all Convervative regimes eventually. They believe their own PR. They become arrogant and convince themselves they can get away with anything. I don't know how much longer it will take, but the awakening process already has too much momentum to retreat now.

Enjoy your final days George. And your inevitable low place in history.

[teryang]

51. Agree completely

The notion that there needs to be an investigation to see where intelligence went wrong is a completely misleading ploy.

It is a tactic often used by criminals to dupe third parties. The victim is heard to complain that a thief who stole their property not only hasn't been punished, but demands continuing favors, services and employment from the victim from whom they stole. Upon hearing this, the victim says the perpetrator stole money from me, would you continue to employ them or serve them? Would you continue to be associated with them in any way? The third party says to the victim, that's what you say, you haven't heard both sides of the story like I have. What both sides could there be? The thief was caught red handed.

[Barkley]

48. We'll have no way of assessing real WMD threats until 2005

I hope the Democrats really make an issue about this.

[peacetalksforall]

54. I know there's a thread about Cleland for VP , but how about Cleland on

the panel? Or is he not friendly enough for BushGate? Not a Skull & Bones secret society bro?

Yeah, Cleland is only a vet, only a former Senator, only a victim of gutter and sewer tricks.

[maggrwaggr]

56. WHY oh WHY is congress letting him do this?

Congress needs to be all over this, appointing their own commission, shutting the government down until somebody gets to the bottom of this.

This is THE BIGGEST OUTRAGE thus far of this administration and I am more pissed off than I've EVER been that the American people, the media, and congress, is letting him get away with this.

I am disgusted beyond all belief. Bush should be arrested, today, for lying to congress, and impeachment proceedings should begin next week.

[Mountainman]

57. Because the majority in Congress are Republicans