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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:37 AM
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Russia sends ships on exercises in U.S. 'backyard'
Source: Reuters

Russian warships set sail on Monday for manoeuvres in the Caribbean area calculated to demonstrate to the United States Moscow's return as a global power on the military and political stage.

The exercises, drawing on a strong alliance with Venezuela's anti-American President Hugo Chavez, will be closely watched by Western navies as the first such projection of Russian power close to U.S. shores since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said the nuclear-powered heavy missile cruiser Peter the Great and antisubmarine destroyer Admiral Chabanenko left their base near Murmansk with two support ships for the 15,000 mile passage to Venezuela.

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Dygalo declined to comment on media reports that nuclear submarines would participate in the exercises and that the warships would visit Syria, where Russia has signalled an interest in developing bases

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LM535220.htm
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 06:00 AM
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1. Given the Russian navy's history of nuclear accidents
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 06:42 AM
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2. Venezuela is hardly the "U.S. 'backyard'" - Mexico and Canada maybe,
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But even then

"my backyard" suggests ownership.

Contrary to the PNAC thugs and puppet government's thinking,

they don't HAVE a backyard unless it exists within USA's border.

USA had decades of opportunities to make friendly allies with Latin and South America.

Instead,

they've exploited them, occupied them, and interfered in their governments.

Maybe if China and India would join the Russians in patrolling around Latin and South America the PNACers would back off their global domination quest?

Something to ponder.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:08 AM
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4. The "Americas" are Western Europe's "backyard", aren't they?
:hide: :yoiks:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 07:17 AM
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3. Oh, I thought maybe they were headed to pay a call on Mooselini.
"We can see your house from our country."
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:40 AM
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5. monroe doctrine ......
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:52 AM
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6. "US Military, MPRI Trained Georgian Commandos Before South Ossetia Invasion" by Charles Clover &
Demetri Sevastopulo (Financial Times 9-5-2008 repost from Global Research)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10283

"War With Russia Is On The Agenda" by Paul Craig Roberts (Third World Traveler 8-26-2008)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Russia/War_With_Russia_On_Agenda.html
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:00 AM
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7. Chavez IS an American. He cannot be described as "anti-American." (--anti-self?)
Chavez IS an American. He cannot be described as "anti-American." (--anti-self?)

Reuters and other Puke media have done this before...

"The exercises, drawing on a strong alliance with Venezuela's anti-American President Hugo Chavez, will be closely watched by Western navies...."

And it is also wrong to describe Chavez as "anti-U.S." He is not. He is anti-Bush, and anti-global corporate predators (whether Exxon Mobil or the World Bank). Since when are Bush and global corporate predators equivalent to the United States of America? Bush & co. and their Corpo war profiteer puppetmasters are traitors to the U.S. They oppose, and have attacked and gravely threatened, everything we and our forefathers and foremothers have held dear--democracy, the Constitution, the rule of law, the balance of powers, civil rights, human rights, labor rights, international peace and lawfulness, open government, transparency, responsible use of public money, the common good, you name it--they've looted it, or tried to destroy it.

It is Bush who is anti-U.S. And, given his close friendship with the sheiks of Araby, he is also anti-American. It is Exxon Mobil that is anti-U.S. It is Lehman Bros. that is anti-U.S. The lot of these giant multinational corporate predators have no loyalty to any country or people.

Chavez, on the other hand, is far more aligned with true "American" values than any of the above. He has been elected in an open, honest, fair election system--an election system that puts our own to shame for its transparency. He encourages maximum citizen participation in government and politics. He's against big money running everything. ("Organized money hates me--and I welcome their hatred." --Franklin Delano Roosevelt.) He represents the interests of the vast poor majority in Venezuela--whose interests should be the primary concern of government, since they are the majority--and also the interests of the country as a whole, for instance, by producing a nearly 10% economic growth rate, with the most growth in the private sector (not including oil), and re-negotiating the oil contracts from a 10/90 split favoring the multinationals, to a 60/40 split favoring the people of Venezuela.

Chavez is on our side--the side of the poor, the middle class, the workers, small business, the victims of "organized money," as FDR put it. He is neither anti-American nor anti-U.S. He is anti-robber baron. And that is very American, indeed. That is our heritage--government as protector of "the little guy" against the tyrants of the East India Company and King George, and their 21st century equivalents.

Bush defines 'American values' as robbery by the rich and mass slaughter by the rich against the poor. We the people of the U.S. and our brother and sister Americans to the south believe the opposite--true American values are justice and fairness, equal opportunity, peaceful enterprise, a strong commitment to the common good, and also compassion and cooperation. Bushwhacks and their Corpo sponsors are fascists. We, the people of the Americas, are democrats with the a small d. And Hugo Chavez represents all of us far more accurately than do the Bushwhacks, the Corpo rulers or even their Democratic colluders in Congress, who have sold us down the river time and again.

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Why did Chavez invite the Russians to naval maneuvers in the Caribbean? Because Venezuela's richest oil state, Zulia, is on the Caribbean, currently threatened by the U.S. 4th Fleet (reconstituted by the Bushwhacks for that purpose), and by adjacent Colombia ($6 BILLION in military aid through Bushwhack fingers), and there is evidence in Zulia of a Bushwhack-supported fascist cabal that wants to secede from Venezuela and turns its oil fields back over to Exxon Mobil--a Bushwhack war strategy in South America that is now out in the open in Bolivia, where Bush-supported white separatists last week went on a rampage against the Evo Morales (majority indigenous) government, machine-gunning 15 to 30 unarmed peasant farmers who supported the government, destroying government buildings and social support group offices, beating up numerous innocent people, and blowing up a gas pipeline.

Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, says that it is a three-country Bushite strategy--in Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela--to foment civil war and attempt to split off the resource-rich provinces into fascist mini-states under U.S. (Corpo) control. The latter two are members of OPEC and control the biggest oil reserves in the western hemisphere. But these Bolivarian allies may not be the only targets. Last week, Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, also said that the 4th Fleet is a threat to Brazil's new off-shore oil finds. Brazil is the one that recently proposed a common defense, in conjunction with the newly formed South American "Common Market" (UNASUR).

Upshot: Chavez is not acting alone, as some sort of rogue "anti-American" "dictator." In fact, Lula da Silva recently said, of Chavez: "You can criticize Chavez on a lot of things, but not on democracy." The South Americans know that he is not a "dictator" --as the Bushwhacks, Rotters and other Corpo 'news' agencies have tried to convince us. It is a damn lie--and very possibly a pre-war psyops lie. And all of Latin America knows that they are threatened by the U.S. 4th Fleet and other U.S. military activities, even as they are just now reaping the benefit of decades of work on Latin American's democratic institutions, and the election of true representatives of the people, and are beginning to assert their sovereignty as countries and as a region of cooperating democracies.

The Russians pose no threat to us. Nor does Chavez and Venezuela. These Russian/Venezuelan naval maneuvers are a defensive move by Venezuela--a warning off. And you can be sure that it has been done in consultation with the other leaders of South America, because that is how they are working now--by close cooperation and consultation--and all of them are gravely concerned about the U.S.-Bush interference in Bolivia, and potential interference in their own countries.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:27 PM
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8. Now McCain Can Yell
"Hey, Ruskies -- get out of my back yard!"
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:37 PM
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9. The Russian cruiser mentioned is usually equipped with 20 nuclear warheads
Per CNN last night.

I wonder if it's come with a full load-out for these war games?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:41 PM
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10. They are doing what we did to them.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 12:55 PM by mmonk
Forcing collapse.
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