Castro: Bush like Hitler, Aznar a fascist

[Mika]

Castro: Bush like Hitler, Aznar a fascist
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/7902649.htm

Fidel Castro characterized President Bush as Adolf Hitler and Spanish Prime Minister José María Aznar as his fascist attendant during a speech to a congress on college education in Havana.

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The Cuban leader described Bush and Aznar as ''repugnant personages'' and said the work of the Cuban people ``in the face of hostility, blockade and aggression cannot be destroyed.''

Several news services in Havana reported that Castro also called Aznar a ''Mussolini-like acolyte'' of Bush, whom he described ''the Fuhrer who today holds in his hands the reins of the empire.'' Cuban government officials often refer to the United States as ``the empire.''

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[bushwakker]

1. I read an article in New Yorker about Spain

and how the relatives of the victims of Franco's Regime are trying to unearth the bodies buried in mass graves. The Aznar gov't has been a roadblock to this. Aznar is a kinder, gentler Franco.

[Judi Lynn]

2. Thanks for the information.

This could get really interesting!

[bushwakker]

3. the article was specifically abou the poet Lorca

who was executed by fascists and the search for his body. up until reading this article i had had a gnerally beningn view of spain (i guess i just didn't know very much) now i'm interested in learning more about franco and his rule. aznar really seems like a bad dude.

[Muddleoftheroad]

4. Speaking of bad dudes

This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black as pitch. Castro complaining about other leaders, it is to laugh.

[Mika]

5. Americans complaining about other leaders

Americans complaining about other leaders is the real laugh.



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[Muddleoftheroad]

6. I complain about both "leaders"

[Mika]

7. Clean up yer own back yard before demanding that others do

You know.. leadership by example.

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. Why?

The world is my back yard. What goes on elsewhere impacts me as well.

[RainDog]

12. Castro- pot calling kettle black

when Castro stops persecuting librarians for the free flow of information, then he can talk about other dictators.

[Mika]

15. Free flow this from the ALA about Cuba's "independent librarians"

The Last Word on Cuban 'Independent Libraries'
http://www.lisnews.com/article.php3?sid=20010314225701

2. What Are the "Independent Libraries"?

The "independent libraries" are private book collections in peoples'
homes. Mr. Kent and the right-wing Cuban-American propaganda outlets,
call them "independent libraries" and even "public libraries." These
"independent libraries" are one of a number of "projects" initiated
and supported by a virtual entity calling itself "Cubanet"
(www.cubanet.org) and an expatriate anti-Castro political entity
calling itself the Directorio Revolucionario Democratico Cubano. The
Cubanet website describes what the "independent libraries" are, how
they got started and who funds and solicits for them. The index page
says that the organization exists to "assist independent
sector develop a civil society..." This is the wording used in
both the Torricelli and the Helms Burton Acts, both of which require
that the US government finance efforts to subvert the Cuban society in
the name of strengthening "civil society." You will see on the "Who We
Are" page that Cubanet, located in Hialeah, Florida, is financially
supported by the National Endowment for Democracy, the United States
Agency for International Development (USAID) and "private" "anonymous"
donors. The "exterior" representative of the "independent libraries"
is the Directorio Revoucionario Democratico Cubano, also located in
Hialeah.(5)

3. Who are the Independent Librarians?

You will read on the pages of Cubanet about the individual
"libraries" and their personnel. Not one of the people listed is
actually a librarian. Not one has ever been a librarian. Most,
however, are leaders or officers of various dissident political
parties, such as the Partido Cubano de Renovacion Ortodoxa and the
Partido Solidaridad Democratica. This is documented on Cubanet,
although Mr. Kent never mentions these party affiliations in his FCL
press releases. We know absolutely nothing about the principles,
programs or activities of these parties, or why they have been
allegedly targeted. We don't know whether their activities are lawful
or unlawful under Cuban law. Kent maintains that their activities are
solely related to their books - but in reality we have no idea whether
this is true and in fact, one of these "librarians" told one of our
ALA colleagues that this was not true! By using the terms
"beleaguered," "librarians" and the buzzwords "freedom of expression"
and "colleagues" Mr. Kent hopes to get the a priori support of
librarians who might not look beneath this veneer. After all, isn't
this the reason that the subcommittee will be considering their case
in the first place? But I wonder if ALA is willing to establish the
precedent that all politicians with private book collections who
decide to call themselves "librarians," are therefore our
"colleagues"?

The Cubanet/NED/USIA/CIA funded librarians/libraries in Cuba are akin to Al Queda starting "independent libraries" (non zoning approved in residential zoning) in your neighborhood and in neighborhoods picked by Al Queda's leadership, and then calling the agents "librarians" who run said "libraries".

BTW, I've been to Cuba many times and have seen some Cuban so called "independent libraries". They are neither libraries nor independent.

[AP]

17. If America weren't breathing down Castro's back, he wouldn't have to be

a pot.

How many times has any country ever taken the moral high road against the US and won?

Phillipines? Vietnam? Nicarauga? Iraq? Chile? Argentina?

Venezuela is the ONLY one. (Am I missing any?)

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. Aw, poor little misunderstood dictator

Forced by circumstances into fascism.

Come on, that's a pathetic rationalization even for the pro-Castro crowd.

[Mika]

20. Hey Muddle, a question

I've noticed that you've used the words 'communism' & 'fascism' interchangeably on the Cuba threads. Is that deliberate? Which is it, in your mind, in Cuba.. fascism, socialism, or communism?

Just asking.

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[Muddleoftheroad]

22. Good question

I think probably the appropriate term is simply totalitarianism. Various pro-Castro folks go by Communism or Socialism and I sometimes fall into use of their terminology for which I apologize. I would say fascism, but I'll default to just calling him a plain old ism.

[Dirk39]

18. You get something seriously wrong!

The U.S. dominated world works like this:
If Castro - the cuban government, to be more precisely - would build concentration camps, sell it's country out to Global Players, let half of the cuban people starve and the other half work as 1-dollar prostitutes, then Castro could talk about dictators...

All the U.S.A wants to happen in Cuba from Clinton to Kennedy to Nixon to BushI to BushII is "opening Cuba for foreign - translate american - investors". All they want to happen, is that there is no alternative for noone in the entire world. That there is only one totalitarian fashist capitalist regime.

And if you don't subscribe to that agenda, they will use all of their tools, from propaganda to the IMF to the worldbank to brainwashing to "human rights" to erase you from that globe.

And if, after uncountable attempts to kill Castro, to destroy Cuba, after millions of lies, after hundreds of terrorist attacks, Castro compares Bush to Hitler, your reply is: there are problems at the library!
It's like meeting with Hitler in 1938 to discuss human rights issues in Great Britain.
Dirk

[bushwakker]

14. you are correct in pointing this out

i didn't mean to excuse castro.

[DBoon]

10. More on Franco

Try this for starters:

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/franco.htm

Fascism existed in numerous forms, beside the Hitler and Mussolini versions. Franco was praised as a Christian gentleman while murdering 30,000 of his opponents.

[RainDog]

11. Opus Dei- Catholic laity fascist org. founded under Franco

and current members include Scalia, the sack of shit who is so very much responsible for the fascist coup of 2000 which installed the corporations' friendly face of fascism.

Robert Hannsen, traitor to America and FBI spy, was also a member of Opus Dei, and also fed information to Novak, just as Novak now allows himself to be the mouthpiece for the fascists who outed a CIA agent for perceived political gain.

Clarence Thomas, another Supreme Court traitor to democracy, is also Opus Dei, and also conspired with Scalia in the 2000 coup.

Thomas and Scalia had family members who were involved in the Bush machine and thus had obvious conflicts of interest and should have recused themselves in the supreme court ruling (they should have referred the recount to the Legislature anyway.)

The Catholic church canonized the founder of Opus Dei, a favorite of Franco, and part of his cabinet, last year.

The Franco fascists, like Nazis after WW2, were absorbed into the Republican Party in America and we are paying the price for the Republican coddling of fascists every day in this country and will continue to do so until honest conservatives kick them out.

[bushwakker]

13. I recall a book called "Old Nazis, the new right and the GOP"

written by a fellow named Chip Berlet who runs a kind of right wing monitoring center here in Boston. As I'm sure you know this is real stuff.

[burrowowl]

16. What's his name Mel Gibson

who produced the Passion is also Opus Dei.
Very bad people.

[Laughing Mirror]

9. Repugnant personages

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,263316,00.jpg

Remember Aznar deliberately went against the wishes of 95 percent of his citizens, practically his whole country, to prop up the shaky presidency of his buddy George Bush.

[cprise]

23. That masterpiece of U.S. foreign policy, Haiti

...if only Castro could emulate them, then maybe the quality of life in Cuba would improve.

</sarcasm>

[0rganism]

24. When Castro's right, he's right

At least the American media can't demonize him further for this particular comment than they already have.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

25. I was also wondering.

How many countries has Cuba invaded and/or bombed?

[Minstrel Boy]

26. "I like Fidel Castro and his beard"

I said, "I like Fidel Castro,
I think you heard me right,"
And ducked as he swung
At me with all his might.
- Bob Dylan, "Motorpsycho Nightmare"

Fidel Castro and Pierre Trudeau, 1976