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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:25 PM Original message |
Proposition 8 foes refuse to concede |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't have a problem with "stubbornness." |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. 3 to 4 million not yet counted? |
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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Provisional ballots and vote-by-mail ballots that arrived yesterday |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
105. what other issues were left uncounted? Would it have an impact on the presidential results? |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Never. Give. Up. |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
82. NEVER |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. K&R. Never surrender! n/t |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:36 PM Original message |
K&R!!! |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. COUNT EVERY VOTE. Huge numbers of anti-8 liberals cast |
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amdezurik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. me for one |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. and on that note if you don't have public transportation |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
89. It lost in Los Angeles County by almost 21,000 votes |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #89 |
99. the proposition lost. We are still married. |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. Also, I think a lot of the blackand hispanic demographic |
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amdezurik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. that was a good portion of the vote too |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
69. And those provisional ballots. Like mine :( |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
7. Damn right |
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Greyskye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. Fingers crossed... |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. Every vote MUST be counted. EVERY LAST ONE! |
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Mad_Dem_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. Keep fighting!!! |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
11. Prop 8 is anti-American. It excludes a segment of our society. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. i agree, how do you get to vote on who does and doesn't get rights? |
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dabenpb (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Good point. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
86. I think we need to have a Constitutional Common Sense test. (Silly sounding) |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
100. In the 1950's and 60's, civil rights were not put up to a public vote |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. But a segment that is perfectly alright to hate |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. Good. Count ALL the votes. I find it incredible that this is even an issue (both counting & prop) |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. And once we get the atrocity overturned, we go after the Catholic Church and the Mormons |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
15. Let them have their precious word. |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. The problem is legal precedent. |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Hold on a second... |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. You're both right |
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Steelworker In OH (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. it wouldn't be hard |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
88. Not as easy as you think |
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Steelworker In OH (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. For the |
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madmadmad (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
103. it would be the right thing to do- take the church out the equation entirely |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Civil unions already have a name: Marriage |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. I agree with you. It smacks of "Seperate but Equal." |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. This is problematic for me, as well.... |
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BadgerKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. They're projecting their repression and pretending. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
56. NO FUCKING WAY! |
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Steelworker In OH (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
61. This is |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
96. No. They will not own that word. |
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Jester Messiah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. I say take their word away. |
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Strathos (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
79. You do realize... |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
91. Why should the fear mongering religious right stop at just gay marriage? ... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
95. No. Marriage is not solely a religious institution - they DO NOT own that word. |
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frickaline (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #95 |
101. What prevents you from having this word |
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Kalifornia.Kid (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. "It ain't over until Divine sings" (apologies) |
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Eryemil (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Haha. You're a Jewel |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
19. good, don't concede, all the votes must be counted |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
21. It's inconceivable to me that California would cruelly approve discrimination |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Well, Prop 2 passed, so Californians object to animal cruelty |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. It is inconceivable to me. There are a lot of bigots out there. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
23. Thank- God. WE had massive voter purging. eveidnece of thousands, |
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hisownpetard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. Do NOT concede! Count every single vote. K&R! |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
26. Good |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. First they came for the jews |
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Blue State Blues (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
33. Count every vote! n/t |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
34. The lawsuit has just officially been filed |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
67. I was wondering about doing this through the initiative process. |
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piesRsquare (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
35. Exit Poll: Black Voters Back Calif. Marriage Ban |
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ashrob123 (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You know what? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Calm down. The numbers show that 70% of African Americans who voted in CA opposed human rights. |
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Poseidan (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. because of the church |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. Calling bullshit. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. It's an interesting point, but not one that should be where blame is laid. |
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ashrob123 (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
76. It's only reasonable |
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Aquigoth (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Agreed... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Wow... |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Your post makes me sad |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
74. In California, blacks are only 6 percent of the population... |
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
38. Are they going to need money for this? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Yes, because if the Proposition does pass, they will take it to the courts. |
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astonamous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
42. The way it was written on the ballot was confusing to some... |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
81. Didn't hurt that the supporters lied their pants off in campaign ads |
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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
43. Now blogged at The BRAD BLOG |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
44. concede what? |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Fire it up. |
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Kirama (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
46. California voters baffle me |
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ObamaKerryDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
50. I KNEW that shit passing in California didn't sound right..... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
51. I HATE these people! |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Me too! I HATE THESE PEOPLE!!!! |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
53. Good on them! |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
57. FUCK PROP 8!!!!!!!! |
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Twinguard (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
58. Never give up |
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Aquigoth (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
62. Rally tonight in WeHo to call attention to this |
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mattfromnossa (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
65. This is a travesty of morals. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
68. Never concede this, even if they have the votes force it on us. |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
70. if the REPUBLICANS can cross a PIG and a PITBULL for VP, who are they to condemn ANYONE ! ! ! |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
71. Never concede. And Cali--count the damned votes! n/t |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
72. Most likely held up by |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
73. Ok, time for another stupid question here. |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
75. Count ALL THE VOTES! |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
77. Prop 8 foes want the votes counted? |
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Strathos (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
78. If the majority is allowed to vote on human rights, what's next? |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
80. Every vote must be counted! |
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darkmaestro019 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
83. I'm not grasping why it is |
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neuvocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
84. It just hit me today: |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
85. GOOD! I can't believe California would do this to the GLB community |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #85 |
97. GLBT |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-08 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
90. Never give up!! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
93. DAMN RIGHT WE'RE NOT! |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
98. The fact that this ever was on the ballot in the first place is immoral |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
102. Why are these people opposing our right to ignorant bigotry? |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
104. why don't they just put it back on the ballot for another vote |
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