Schwarzenegger: Proposition 8 fight isn't over

[denem]

Source: Boston Globe

SACRAMENTO - As protesters took to the streets for a fifth day, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday expressed hope that the California Supreme Court would overturn Proposition 8, the ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage.

In an interview with CNN, Schwarzenegger also predicted that the 18,000 gay and lesbian couples who have wed already would not see their marriages nullified by the initiative.

"It's unfortunate, obviously, but it's not the end," he said about the same-sex marriage ban. "I think that we will again maybe undo that, if the court is willing to do that, and then move forward from there and again lead in that area." {snip}

Yesterday, he urged backers of gay marriage to follow the lesson he learned as a bodybuilder trying to lift weights that at first were too heavy for him. "I learned that you should never, ever give up. . . . They should never give up. They should be on it and on it until they get it done."



Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/10/schwarzenegger_proposition_8_fight_isnt_over/

[Winnipegosis]

1. Of course he used steroids

to help lift heavier weights.

[cboy4]

2. Who gives a shit. He's speaking out in support of something

that's extremely important to millions.

Sometimes snark is not funny and unnecessary. :thumbsdown:

[Winnipegosis]

4. Oh?

"Sometimes snark is not funny and unnecessary. "

The key word being "sometimes."

[cboy4]

6. Don't get down on yourself.....maybe you'll be clever

some other day.

[Winnipegosis]

7. Uh-huh.

[cliffordu]

9. Yep.

[Endangered Specie]

3. So let me get this straight, the republican governor of a state

supports gay marriage and said state's heavily democratic majority voted for a proposition banning it?

California really does do things differently

[Winnipegosis]

5. Arnie

Bravely sticking his finger in the air.

Guess which finger he decides to stick up next time.

[BR_Parkway]

14. This would be the same governor who vetoed it when the Legislators

passed it the first time and said it was up to the courts (activist judges in states where the courts rule on it first)

edited to add - good for him for finally supporting us

[GOPNotForMe]

22. BINGO! I am not sure what his deal is given his mixed record on this issue

But I am glad he is speaking out now.

[BR_Parkway]

32. Term limits - he's done with GOP, but not Maria - guess he decided

that it was better they were upset with him speaking out rather than her being that way if he didn't.

[Joe Bacon]

8. He's a lame duck, He's finished!

He has not done ONE SINGLE CONSTRUCTIVE THING as Governor EXCEPT get termed out of office!

[truthisfreedom]

10. He's ensured that he'll be in another blockbuster Hollywood action movie when he's out of office.

I guess that's doing something.




For himself.

[LeftishBrit]

11. Well, good for Arnie (and I don't say that often!!!!)

No doubt he only feels free to say it because he can't run for re-election anyway; but at least he's supported the right side for once.

[Lordquinton]

12. The only good thing about him

He's always been for Gay Marriage, it's so odd to say it. I know there's a couple other things he's good for, but in general he's been bad for the state.

[JI7]

13. this is not true, he vetoed the same sex marriage bill twice

the 2nd time was only last year.

and he didn't say much before because he wanted to campaign for McCain and didn't want to be associated with that at the time.

[closeupready]

16. Absolutely not. As the other person says, he vetoed a legislature approved SSM bill

I thought just once, but apparently twice. He is an opportunist of the worst kind.

[Mithreal]

25. Vetoed SSM twice

Schwarzenegger will veto gay marriage bill: Sept. 7, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9247775 /

Schwarzenegger vetoes same-sex marriage bill again: October 13, 2007
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/1...

"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a same-sex marriage bill Friday, the second time in three years that such a measure died on the governor's desk."

[Zhade]

15. What the fuck - sanity from schwarzenegger.

Meanwhile, some assholes on DU don't support our full equal rights.

What a world!

[No Elephants]

17. I hope he is right, but ,can an amendment to a Constitution violate the Constitution? An amendment

just becomes part of the Constitution. It's really hard to say that one part of the Constitution violates another part of it. I guess it may depend upon the wording of the two provisions. Witout solid ground, though, I do not think Justices would override a Condstitutional amendment. All the dumb talk from the right about "legislating from the bench" and "activist judges" is only that-dumb talk. Judges are careful. I hope they find some legit basis, though, but a case that gets back up there, if any, will take years.

I am so sick about Prop 8.

[No Elephants]

19. Okay, to answer my own question, I guess that an amendment to the Constitution of Calleyforhnya can

vilate the equal rights clause of the Constitution of the United States. That would give the SCOTUS the final word, though. That that would be a tough case, with Thomas, Roberts, Alito and Scalia. But the years while the case was pending would allow the state to marry a lot of gay people.

Arrrgggh, I so wish that Justice O'Connor had never stepped down.


Move to Massachusetts, ya all. We need you anyway. I never want this state to go purple.

[cloudythescribbler]

21. This sounds logical to me -- unless there is some PROCEDURAL flaw in the amendment, which I ...

haven't heard any party specify. I admit I have not been following every nuance and detail of this, however.

On the other hand, law is NOT logical or consistent, and what the courts do is at root PURE POLITICS.

I just think that in the campaign to overturn prop 8, a very large movement is built up on POLITICALLY SAVVY FOUNDATIONS, that do NOT commit the moral wrong and strategic blunder of either vilifying Mormons per se (even by implication) or trying to boycott whole states (BOTH California AND Utah have been suggested as targets -- is Idaho next?)

Target INSTITUTIONS, including the 501 (c)3 status of the Mormon Church and maybe even the Catholic Church -- BOY THAT'LL change the picture fast.

Rarely in the history of human endeavor would so much ass be covered by so many with such alacrity.

[Hugin]

23. Your mention of procedural flaws reminded me of something...

Doesn't the 'one man and one woman' way that this bad law is written also preclude divorce and subsequent re-marriage?

I read somewhere that a test of whether a law is discriminatory or not is if in the way it is written it could apply
to the larger group if it were interpreted in it's literal sense, but, it must constantly be interpreted to be only
applied to the smaller targeted group it's intended to discriminate against.

I hope I said that correctly.

Bottom line is that discrimination should never appear in an instrument designed to give Rights not take them away.

[Sgent]

30. Its a procedural issue

This amendment was passed using the "amendment" process. The lawsuits are arguing that the stricter "Revision" process has to be used to change a fundamental right granted in the California constitution (which is what the Cal Supreme Ct found gay marriage to be).

I seriously doubt any federal court will find a US Constitutional issue with this -- almost every state now has an amendment like this, and it hasn't been nullified yet.

[MrsBrady]

18. how does Maria even stand this guy. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

20. WTF is wrong with the people here dissing Schwarzenegger for doing the right thing?

I'm not a big fan of his, but he is standing on the right side of this issue and should be supported for doing so.

[Mithreal]

24. Unless I am missing something, they are dissing him for being

on both sides of the issue. Since when does a hypocritical, opportunistic Republican get a free pass when he or she switches position to one we favor? I recognize that emotions are high, but let's be honest.

Schwarzenegger will veto gay marriage bill: Sept. 7, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9247775/

Schwarzenegger vetoes same-sex marriage bill again: October 13, 2007
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/13/BAT7SPC72.DTL

"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a same-sex marriage bill Friday, the second time in three years that such a measure died on the governor's desk."

Schwarzenegger is an opportunist.

But you want to condemn fellow DU'ers!

[Bluenorthwest]

26. But like 10 days ago

he was flying around the country promoting not just McCain but Palin, saying she was great and would be ready to be President. Palin is a representative of the exteme right. So today, Arnie mutters something in hopes he will not loose to many friends in showbiz, and tomorrow he will say the opposite to Republicans at the Gov's convention.
So sure, how great is Arnie's position pose of the moment. Hold. Release. Next pose Arnold.

[Ian David]

27. If this fucking asshole hadn't vetoed Marriage Equality twice, it wouldn't be an issue, n/t

[closeupready]

28. Exactly right. He doesn't give a **** about civil rights.

n/t

[Ian David]

29. He also vetoed a day of remembrance for Harvey Milk. n/t

[xchrom]

31. ahnuld -- if you had done the right thing the first time --

i wouldn't have to read about some fucked up stupid pep speech from you.