(Poland) Lawmaker slammed over racist Obama remarks ( "a black crypto-communist")

[sabra]

Source: The Australian

POLAND'S President Lech Kaczynski today disowned a lawmaker from his right-wing party who has called US president-elect Barack Obama "a black crypto-communist".

Mr Kaczynski said that Artur Gorski's remarks were "astonishing, unacceptable and racist".

"These are the kind of highly odd views that this member of parliament is well known for. Clearly neither I, nor the vast majority of the party, share views of this sort," he said.

During a parliamentary session last Thursday, the day after Senator Obama's election victory, Mr Gorski had called him a "black crypto-communist", and a "naive individual whose election must delight al-Qaeda".

Senator Obama "is a disaster, it is the end of the white man's civilisation", he said.

Read more: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24634065-12377,00.html

[Debau2005]

1. the end of the white man's civilisation

I do have to agree with this! And I hope it is the end of the white man's civilisation! It is time to move PAST black, white, brown, whatever.

We are all human beings...

Do people not learn from history? Hate based on race has fueled most of the wars that have torn nations apart.

[LeftishBrit]

2. You know it's bad if a Kaczynski disowns it!

Poland has a bit of a problem with very RW politicians.

[Bicoastal]

3. Ugh--this may gave Polish people everywhere a reputation for being less-than-bright.

:evilgrin:

[curse of greyface]

5. Damn and they came so far since that tragic screen door/submarine mishap. nt

[av8rdave]

16. Which is exactly the message we sent the world about us for the past 8 years

Finally, we're in the process of telling the world we're not all backward racist pigs!

[Tempest]

4. With politicians like Gorski in Poland

Obama was right to be non-committial about the missile installation in Poland.

Those lunatics might just use it for an offensive attack like Georgia.

[BrklynLiberal]

6. "white man's civilisation"!!!!!! Hate to break it to this crypto-moron,

but the cradle of civilization was Egypt...not too many "white" men there. And should Artur Gorski be among those who worship Jesus...more bad news...Jesus was not a "white" man either.
I have seen and read incredible examples of ignorance and prejudice..but this is definitely among the to 5.

[curse of greyface]

9. I pretty sure the "cradle" was a little to the north and east of Egypt. (Iraq)

And I'm also not so sure that a light olive skin color isn't considered white in some parts. Ancient Egyptians (much like their modern counterparts) consisted of a mixture of Persian, Macedonian as well as native bloodlines. While there was undoubtedly some intermingling with sub saharan Africans the predominate racial characteristic were Mediterranean and Persian not Sub Saharan African.

I don't think racism is the proper tool to fight other racists. I think the facts speak for themselves.

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Guess we both had it right..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization

The cradle of civilization is any of the possible locations for the emergence of civilization. It is usually applied to the Ancient Near Eastern Chalcolithic (Ubaid period, Naqada culture), especially in the Fertile Crescent (viz. Lower Egypt, the Levant and Mesopotamia), but also extended to sites in Anatolia<1> and the Persian Plateau, besides other Asian cultures situated along large river valleys, notably the Indus River in Pakistan<2> and the Yellow River in China.<3>

Civilization is usually taken to presuppose the presence of agriculture and urban settlements, and as such is a consequence of the Neolithic Revolution.<4> This entails that there isn't a single "cradle", but several independent developments of civilization, of which the Near Eastern Neolithic was the first. The extent to which there was significant influence between the early civilizations in the Fertile Crescent and East Asia is disputed, while the civilizations of Mesoamerica are accepted as having emerged independently from those in Eurasia. If writing is taken as a prerequisite for civilization, the earliest "cradle" is Early Dynastic Egypt and Sumer

[Judi Lynn]

17. Thanks for the clarification. I've always made the same assumption, as well.

Fertile Crescent? Who DOESN'T think of Egypt first?

[curse of greyface]

18. I stand corrected. both can be correct nt

[xen]

13. Egypt

Egypt is Ethiopia's daughter,they built egypt it is same people whatever you call them Hammites, Cushites or Blacks,Nubian's,or whatever.In the Us they all would be called.Negroes,Blacks and Ni**ers
before the westward moves of the nomadic Arabs from Arabia.
The Ethiopians were in large part Neolithic Tribe,Taller with more narrow features than the Bantu peoples,with of course lots of mix between both,they followed the Rich nile from Kenya,up thru Ethiopia and reached there Zenith in Egypt,and after many invasion from the Assyrians,and many others, started falling about 300 BC after Alexander the so called great with the Grecco Roman Empire.
Semitc= Mixed,of Afro-Asiatic peoples.

Many people who feel their skin color makes them Superior,can not stand the thought of African peoples contributing to any civilization.

Egypt is in Africa,Israel is between Africa and Arabia.Most are uncomfortable with seeing Egypt,or even Ethiopia as being Africa.Ethiopia was before Egypt or Israel,Ethiopia is Africa not the middle east and so os Egypt
They were all Afro Asiatic peoples way before the Nordics and Germanic tribes ventured south toward to the Mediterranean. Greeks,Europeans and others are from the Indo/European Group.

[curse of greyface]

19. Well the Egyptian experts themselves disagree with you.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iB6u3XEMp9IrJfl-kH6FHNgZCg_A

Egyptian antiquities supremo Zahi Hawass insisted Tuesday that Tutankhamen was not black despite calls by US black activists to recognize the boy king's dark skin colour.

"Tutankhamen was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it," Hawass told reporters.

"Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa," he said, quoted by the official MENA news agency.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_4_57/ai_82479151


"It is a question that is nearly impossible to answer," says Ben Bronson, the museum's curator of Asian archeology and ethnology. "What we've tried to do is narrow down the range of possibilities for her ancestry. And when you do that, you see that there is a perfectly good chance that Cleopatra was an African Egyptian. Was she 100 percent African, meaning was her skin dark? Probably not. The Romans, who wrote extensively about her, probably would have noted that. But it is quite possible--given the comings and goings of people in the Ptolemic court--that she was a mixed-race Egyptian."


The fact of the matter is scientifically what you have quoted above is a fairy tale. It's a nice fairy tale that we tell black children to fell better about their racial history but it is a fairy tale nevertheless.

Hopefully with the election of Barack Obama we can start using modern examples of black excellence and put the fairy tales to rest.

[xen]

20. Fabrication of Ancient Greece

Maybe one should read the Black Athena by Martin Bernal The AFRO ASIATIC Roots Of Classical Civilization,
Volume 1 the Fabrication of Ancient Greece.
Also by the way both the Scientific and biblical theory,Takes you to around the same place of early man ETHIOPIA,Thats AFRICA dude.

For some some thing to think about while you get angry and fume with the thought of of Africans being civilized on their own continent.

Read NUMBERS 12 Verse 9-10

Foot note below






II. Antiquity of Leprosy. This dreaded disease is supposed to have existed in India and China from ca. 4000 B.C., but this dating is very difficult to establish factually. Kinnier Wilson suggested that leprosy may have been the incurable skin condition mentioned in an Old Babylonian omen tablet, since the symptoms include loss of skin pigment, odor, and an apparent outbreak of papules

[brentspeak]

21. Martin Bernal is a major league academic crackpot

Cornell University has been stuck with him for years.

[curse of greyface]

22. What Brentspeak said. nt

[xen]

26. Problem with Supremist

Problem with Western Supremist thinkers,is they can not stand the thought of Africans having any thing at all do to with civilization,so they tend to de-Africanize the Africans who did anything positive,and over emphasize the negatives.So these so called expert Authentic on world History either classify them as Europeans,or some other entity,Give all Africa's contribution to the interlopers or take it for themselves.Egyptian Arabs are interlopers Check their DNA.
It fits in well with the Creationist Fairy tales about God,And who also have been very busy over the years removing and Changing the name ETHIOPIA from the So called good book, and replacing it with various other names,so as to confuse people.
The King James version now especially the new American version,has removed just about all reference of Blacks and Ethiopia in it, to further Whitewash history.
By declaring Egypt,and sometimes Ethiopia as the Middle east,and not Africa,it fits in perfect with the Creationist fairy tales about some God,who had a son who looks totally opposite to the people who lived all around that area.
Arabs are from Arabia,they are not the original of the Continent "Abekuland" as it was named before means land of the BLACKS,From north to south,east and west From tunisia to South Africa.

What we have or teach as as world History the last 1500 year is built on Stolen Legacy.

Europeans are just the "Faded brothers of Black people".
Most Supremist have a real problem with that,And can not bear the thought that we are all brothers and sisters,Hence the Anger and fury at,and of any information that suggest that Blacks had a role in any ancient civilization,even on their own Continent.
Easier to think Africans as back wards Savages,and not as Intelligent.Makes them feel Smug,confident,and good about themselves.Its a pity so many of these people has the same thinking of Hitler,he wanted to off Jews because of their ("tainted Corrupt)Semitic=Black blood in their Veins
He did not want them to corrupt the Superior blue eyed White race.It is so sad because he also was part Jew
The fact is you can hide the truth for long,but NEVER forever ;)

[LiberalFighter]

7. 38 years old

He is married. Has a degree in Humanities.
Completed:
Academy of Catholic Theology Faculty of Political and Social Sciences - MSc in political
Akademia Teologii Katolickiej - dr - Academy of Catholic Theology - Dr.

Occupation: Political Scientist

He is a member of the Parliamentary Club of the Law and Justice consisting of 157 members in the lower house.

First elected to the Sejm in 2005.

WOW he had a mandate with 3070 votes in his re-election in 2007. The Sejm consists of 460 members.

Here is what I believe is the transcript. Please excuse the translation as it didn't translate completely.

Deputy Artur Gorski:

Lord Speaker! High Sejm! 4 Nov 44 Americans elected president of the United States. It was the Democratic Party candidate 47-year-old senator Barack Hussein Obama. When poor, black suburbs of large U.S. cities zawyły with joy when the predominantly left-liberal students zatańczyli comments victory, conservative, traditional America survived the shock and disappointment. Its president, head of the world's largest power was buddy lewackiego terrorist William Ayers, the policies considered by the Republican right for black kryptokomunistę. The outcome of the U.S. election is, as one of the supporters said Obamy, a victory behind the tomb, after many years, Martin Luther King, who is Obamy idol.

What Obama has views on the economy? During the election campaign, Democratic candidate made a large number of populist promises, targeted mainly to niezamożnej part of the American public. Like Robin Hood declared that it will take a rich and distributed the poor. Intends to reduce taxes on the poorest, and raise more income. In the first instance wants to increase from 33 to 36% taxes on citizens who earn more than 250 thousand. dollars a year. In the U.S. they represent about 5% of taxpayers and state are financial elite. A little later intends to squeeze more money with the broader middle class and those who invest in the stock market. So the money raised will be earmarked for social welfare, as well as to United special fund, which will be funded public works. When these works have found employment unemployed residents of poor suburbs of American cities. This is put into society groups, which today are considered to be excluded, especially the poor Afroamerykanów. The new president during the campaign spoke openly, that wants to introduce a model of the welfare state, which is based on the increased presence of government administration in the life of citizens. Therefore, in economic matters Obama is a socialist.

What Obama has views on foreign policy? At the beginning of the campaign announced that the rapidly withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq, but during the campaign revised its view and promised to decrease by 50% of troops staying in the country. Anyhow al Qaeda has blurred hands with joy that the new president chooses peace rather than war. Obama also said that he would want to talk with any world leader. politicians such as Iranian President Mohammed Ahmadinejad president of communist Cuba or Raúl Castro. It is not surprising what these declarations, since, as he himself admits, was formed by Frank Marshall Davis, poet and journalist, but also a member of the Communist Party of the United States. Obama also talked about the need to reduce expenditure on maintaining U.S. troops in Germany and the revision of the budget of NATO. Did not comment on the building of unambiguously anti-missile shield in Europe. Therefore, in matters of foreign policy Obama is a pacifist and - as Republicans have identified him - naive molluscs.

What Obama is in the sphere of ideological views? Although his father and stepfather were Muslims, Obama is currently involved in the force the United Church of Christ, wyznającego black liberation theology. Even during the competition with Hillary Clinton for the nomination to the elections held belief that it is open. As part of the world reject Christian moral teaching on homosexuality and abortion issues, not condemns smoking marijuana, and even sniffed cocaine, which will undoubtedly be enjoyed by many young voters. In contrast, during one of the meetings with the view expressed that the residents of small towns because the U.S. will hold fast to their faith, because they are rozgoryczeni the fact that more time can not find work. Therefore, in the sphere of ideological, moral issues in Obama is extremely liberal.

Barack Hussein Obama owes its success to the personal beauty and largely liberal media, which are among the younger generation of Americans wykreowały on obamizm fashion, as in Poland, Civic Platform and Donald Tusk. The second pillar of his victory the hard lives of poor, black suburbs, which uwiódł a prelude to build a new, wonderful world where all people are free, wealthy and happy. For the first time, darker-skinned citizens of the United States as crowds went to the polls. Thus, Obama has become their hostage.

The cabinet Senator Obamy wisiały four imagery: Thurgood Marshall, the first black judge of the Supreme Court, Muhammad Ali, a black boxing champion, Mahatma Gandhi, the great orędownika peace, and President Abraham Lincoln, who zgniótł conservative south and abolished slavery in America. Now, voices of their voters, Obama, a black Messiah new left, zgniótł Republicanism candidate John McCain. Soon America will pay a high price for the grimace of democracy. As my colleague, a club member Stanislaw Pięta, Obama is the forthcoming disaster, the end of civilization, a white man. Would that be wrong. Thank you. (Applause)

He was one of the initiators of the draft resolution of the Sejm, with a view to the inauguration in Christ the King.

Poland ponders giving Jesus an earthly realm
Wednesday, December 20, 2006 | 10:47 AM ET
CBC News

A move is underway to make Jesus Christ the honorary king of Poland, the country's influential Rzeczpospolita newspaper reported on Wednesday.

The paper said the idea already has the backing of 10 per cent of the members in the 460-seat lower house of parliament.

One deputy, Artur Gorski, said some of his colleagues "were praying in the parliamentary chapel for coronation," the paper reported.

[Judi Lynn]

15. He does have that overfocused, obsessed right-wing look, doesn't he?

Very common among the neocons here, and it's incomparably creepy!

Another glamour shot:
http://www.kurczeblade.pl.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/ArturGorski.jpg

Who is it who keeps stealing right-wing chins, I'd like to know!

http://www.ditchmitchky.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/mcconnell-craig-spanking1.jpg http://www.bradblog.com.nyud.net:8090/Images/NathanSproul_Returns.jpg

~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for the information on the movement to make Jesus Christ the honorary king of Poland. Clearly it's just a matter of time until the U.S. radical fanatic religionists take up the cause.

[louis-t]

8. Can't wait for RW media to pick this phrase up.

We will be hearing the parrots use it soon. Crypto-communist. Kind of a funny label. Crypto-communist.....Ha! I'm easily entertained today.

[NOLALady]

10. Hopefully,

it is the beginning of the end of a divided civilization.

[David__77]

11. Poland is a cesspool of fascism and racism.

Feudal ideology runs rampant. US clerico-fascists have made Poland a special focus, translating their propaganda and cultivating local fascist forces.

The same country that applauded the murder of its 3 million Jews tolerates politicians of this sort.

[yava]

23. in defence of some Poles

I know some.
At first it is very annoying how they are "pro-Bush".

As you get to know them, you realize that they feel and acknowledge a serious debt to the US for support during the Soviet era but they don't understand how the US is run.

Neither are they necessarily thinking of it in terms of the Right and the Left. They also have good memories of the helping hand of these immigants sending back money in difficult times.

Of course as for other national origins, there is a powerful "Polish" lobby in the US and not necessarily far from Chicago.

But-but-but in daily life, and I would suspect this would be true for any color skin deep, they warm up to you and are great people!

[HPD]

25. where did they applaud?

They never applauded...most simply wanted the world to know 3 millions Catholic Poles died as well during WWII.

Poland is changing with the younger generations being more tolerant and western. Unfortunately they are leaving Poland for work in other countries. Still much work needs to be done in Eastern Europe to bring them up to speed with Western liberalism. Time spent under the USSR was a complete standstill of any progressive ideas (with few exceptions). Instead it brought more power and societal influence to the very conservative Catholic Church since they were seen as the strongest anti-communist institution in Poland, and until Solidarnosc in the late 70s, the only one. Solidarnosc, of course, right away embraced the Catholic Church. SO generations were born very very conservative.

Basically, when Poland was finally free in 1989, it saw the society revert back to pre-war Poland. A polish pope didn't help end intolerance and general conservative stupidity--political and societal.

[NoodleyAppendage]

14. Sounds like someone needs to tour the Warsaw Ghetto Museum. n/t

J

[IndianaGreen]

24. President Lech Kaczynski is also a raging homophobe

as is his brother. Poland has gone backwards since it adopted "freedom and democracy." Under the reds it had gay rights and abortion rights. Not anymore!

[xen]

27. In case anyone is interested in some hidden truth

6000 years of NUBIAN HISTORY


http://wysinger.homestead.com/ancientafrica3.html



WHO ARE THE NUBIANS? http://wysinger.homestead.com/nubians.html



http://wysinger.homestead.com/kerma.html

[TrogL]

28. WTF is a "crypto-communist" anyway?

Yes, I suspect it's a McCarthyism but it doesn't answer the question because McCarthy didn't have a clue about communism. He merely used it as a buzz/scareword in order to implement fascism.

I call myself a "born again Communist" but that doesn't mean anything either and I'm primarily doing it to piss off the Evangelical Christians.

"crypto-communist"? Never heard of it.

[yellowcanine]

29. Can we make an exception to the "no waterboarding" rule just for this guy?