Calls for prosecution after German politician says Obama win 'a declaration of war'

[sabra]

Source: UK Telegraph

German authorities have been called on to prosecute a far-right politician for describing Barack Obama's election as a "declaration of war" on white people and accusing his supporters of being "swept up in Obama fever which resembles an African tropical disease".

In a statement headed "Africa conquers the White House," Juergen Gansel, a deputy in the Saxony state legislature from the far-right National Democratic Party of Germany, said multicultural America was seeking the destruction of "pure" national cultures.

Accusing Mr Obama of aiming to destroy the US's "white identity", Mr Gansel said: "A non-white America is a declaration of war on all people who believe an organically grown social order based on language and culture, history and heritage to be the essence of humanity."

Warning that "Barack Obama hides this declaration of war behind his pushy sunshine smile," Mr Gansel, whose party sympathises with neo-Nazi groups, said that Mr Obama's election was the result of "the American alliance of Jews and Negroes".

He concluded by declaring his hopes that Mr Obama's government is unsuccessful.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3438017/Calls-for-prosecution-after-German-politician-says-Obama-win-a-declaration-of-war.html

[Bicoastal]

1. Ick. Who IS this guy?!

[BR_Parkway]

12. RimJob's brother?

Interesting to think that countries so much more progressive on certain issues than we are still have to deal with this backwards shit.

[Gullvann]

28. I think it's a particular problem in the regions of

former East Germany. Quite scary how many votes some of these nazi parties manage to get :-(

[foxfeet]

37. And in Bavaria.

[Gullvann]

40. Right. I just remember reading some articles about it

in the Economist a few years back when parties such as these made gains in local elections.

[bean fidhleir]

60. *Catholic* Bavaria. The two are not unconnected. (nt)

[LiberalFighter]

51. Probaby a progeny of Senator Prescott Bush when he was involved with the Nazis

[Taverner]

26. Literally, a Modern Day NAZI

And that is not just Hyperbole.

The National Democratic Party of Germany is the Successor to the German Reich Party (AKA the NAZI's)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

[Lionel Mandrake]

44. "National Democratic" sounds a lot like "National Socialist".

Their color scheme is red, white, and black -- the same as that of the 2nd Reich (1871-1918) and 3rd Reich (1933-1945).

Their rhetoric echos that of the Nazis.

Hmm...

[Judi Lynn]

35. Must be a full time job being a pure race representative. Such a fine legacy to uphold, too!

http://www.npd-loebau-zittau.de.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/freistaat-sachsen/landtag-sachsen/abgeordnete/npd/2004/juergen-gansel-2.jpg http://www.deutsche-stimme.de.nyud.net:8090/ds/wp-includes/images/redakteure/redakteure_3.jpg http://www.linie1-magazin.de.nyud.net:8090/ddp/a2008081414162198859.jpg

Juergen Gansel

http://www.quotesfromtheoffice.com.nyud.net:8090/_images/employees/dwight_schrute.jpg

Dwight Schrute
Separated at birth?
He sound suspiciously familiar, unfortunately. I can't be sure he doesn't troll here.

[loves_dulcinea]

45. lol

now is the time on sprockets when we dance

[bluetrain]

55. lol

[LeftishBrit]

46. Extreme right-winger; a neo-Nazi under another name

His party would practically make the BNP look liberal.

[lester94111]

56. A skinhead, obviously...

[Skinner]

2. This guy is a jerk and a fool...

...but criminalizing speech is not the way to deal with it.

[amdezurik]

10. well, I inessence agree with you

on that point. But Germany has a history it is still dealing with and it was not an offical call for procecution after all. Personally I hope he has lots of problems about this kind of shit.

[trumad]

13. Disagree

I think this is as dangerous as yelling fire in a crowded theater...

[Seeking Serenity]

15. How so? I thnk you are wrong.

And you did know, of course, that it is OK to shout "fire" in a crowded theatre -- as long as there is a fire. The cliche is "to FALSELY shout fire in a crowded theatre."

[BootinUp]

20. We know where this kind of hate speech can lead

Don't we?

My position is he should be prosecuted by existing laws, IOW if there are hate speech laws he appears to have violated on the books then take his ass before the court.

[trumad]

36. You know what I mean---

Words take on a different meaning in Germany.

[Chulanowa]

49. So are you saying obama HAS declared war on white people and the US's white heritage?

I don't think you are, but that's the logical progress of making falsity the crux of the issue here.

[treestar]

62. It really is better that they talk

If it were criminalized, they could claim to be "persecuted."

They also identify themselves by talking. The Secret Service gets clues. If they had to keep it all under wraps, that would be harder.

They also show themselves to be the fools they are. Why have laws to force them to appear to be more intelligent than they are? They could get into higher positions of power.

[damntexdem]

23. Germany criminalizes certain speech, based on its history.

Whether or not that is wise, it is a reality -- and if this example of hate speech breaks their law, on what basis should it not be prosecuted?

[Wizard777]

27. Germany has outlawed any and everything to do with the Nazi Party.

You can be arrested for possessing a KISS album that bares the lightning bolt S's. It's too close to the Nazi SS logo for German Law. KISS had to redesign their logo for German albums and tours. They went with KIZZ. The original logo was designed by Ace Frehley who is actually of Japanese America decent. He has some Nazi sympathies. Especially when he has disputes with Gene Simmon and Paul Stanley. Both of whom are Jewish. Gene is actually an immigrant from Haifa, Israel. His father was a Mossad Agent. But anyway, in light of this, I don't think this guys Nazi inspired Eugenics/pure blood doctrine diatribe will float. That's pure Nazi Party line.

[Confusious]

29. You might stop and think here

This is Germany. They did fight a horrible war over speech just like this which devastated the country and caused the death of 300 million people around the world, and resulted in two Germanies for 50 years.

They might have a strong reaction to things like this. Maybe in a couple hundred years they can loosen up.

[Chulanowa]

48. There's a difference between speech and incitment

The inheritor of the nazi party, who's part of the German government, saying that Obama is declaring war on white people and is guided by Jews is a teensy bit different than some random doofus saying "I don't like Obama because he's black"

The latter is a doofus saying something dumb.
The former is a guy who actively seeks the means and methods to purge his nation of all non-whites, calling out war between the races - presumably he was elected by a constituency, what might their response be?

[flygal]

54. In Germany it is - and for good reason

At flohmarkts any item with a swastika must be covered. Any display of swastikas and nazi materials is outlawed. I lived in E. Germany for a while and had one encounter with skin heads attacking a black man. They were actually punks and not very strong - pretty drunk. They were quickly arrested which I was glad to see. There are areas of Saxony and Saxon-Anhalt that still have groups of skin heads and I honestly never heard locals dismissing them.

I honestly think as this new wave of East Nostalgia becomes bigger there will be more leaning toward the extreme and the country is right in keeping this type of rhetoric illegal.

[LibertyLover]

3. Hmm, Mr. Gansel, so how did that 1000 year Reich thing work out for you?

n/t

[phantom power]

5. It must have been painful, being beaten by an alliance of mutts.

:evilgrin:

[amdezurik]

7. us mutts are da bomb :)

[damntexdem]

24. Happened in 1945, too.

That one was extremely painful for all concerned.

[BootinUp]

4. The Nazi party is alive and well, g*d d@mn freak! nt

[Taverner]

25. You are more correct than you think

The NDP in Germany is the sucessor to the German Reich Party (aka the NAZI Party)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. He's a nut, but a dangerous one

[Mrs. Overall]

8. Sounds like he sometimes posts over at Free Republic.

[FreakinDJ]

9. I wish the USA could follow their example

[demo dutch]

11. That part of Germany & South toward the Swiss&Austrian border is known as the Cradle of Nazism. It's

only a little further to the South in the German Alps where you'll find the remants of Adolf Hitler's mountain retreat Berchtesgaden.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1998/01/11/whit11.html

[Seeking Serenity]

14. I abhor and detest the idea of prosecuting speech, particularly political speech,

even when it's speech I find repugnant in the extreme.

I know it's Germany and not here, but I hate it all the same.

[FreakinDJ]

18. What is borderline Conspiracy to Commit Assassination

As some point you have to call the Kettle Black

[Aristus]

16. The United States is an organically grown nation and culture?

I thought we came here from someplace else and slaughtered the organically grown culture and stole their land...

Maybe that's what this guy wants... :eyes:

[LynnTheDem]

17. The Nazi Party lives.

:eyes:

[LeftishBrit]

47. Unfortunately, yes - his party is fundamentally neo-Nazi

The Nazi Party as such was banned; but there are small RW parties that support the same principles, and he belongs to one of them.

Fortunately, they don't represent a large proportion of Germans but they are disgusting and can be dangerous. There are equivalent parties in a number of Europaean countries.

[Bette Noir]

19. Nice guy.

Did anyone tell him that Hitler lost the war?

[fjc]

21. Standard stuff from the racist right. See Stormfront for reference.

[damntexdem]

22. Sounds to me like a good war to declare.

And now we know where some of the enemy resides -- in Saxony.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

30. National Socialist

I travel in Europe frequently. It has been my experience to run into these types from Latvia to Italy to Britain to Sweden. I sometimes think the Cold war kept them from killing each other off. There are nationalist groups present in each society. Some groups always need someone to hate. However, they do require keeping an eye on and a once in a while prosecution might be in order. Just like here in America, we must keep them in sight.

[heliarc]

31. Be vigilant everyone...

Our victory is going to weed out the crazies.

[Piewhacket]

32. I'm a white guy who thinks...

that Gansel is just another ugly racist/fascist weed in the garden of life.
Nasty, but without a few like him we might soon forget how
beautiful the flowers are.

[Coventina]

33. Boy, he really doesn't "get" America, does he?

His ignorance would be laughable if it didn't have the history behind it.

[onager]

39. Just like his idol, Adolf

Hitler had that same thumping ignorance about America. Most of Hitler's knowledge of the U.S.came from Western dime novels written by Karl May. And May had never been to America, either.

That ignorance and its usual twin, arrogance, led Hitler to his second-worst military mistake. (Number One was invading Russia.) After years of violating agreements and treaties, he honored the treaty with Japan after Pearl Harbor and declared war on the United States.

That was an incredibly stupid move, and totally unnecessary. Popular (and Congressional) opinion in the U.S. was still somewhat divided on the idea of going to war in Europe. Quite a few Americans believed all U.S. resources should go toward defeating Japan first. Hitler made FDR's life easier by taking the decision completely out of his hands.

Most of Hitler's cronies were equally clueless about America. When the USA entered WWII, Luftwaffe chief Hermann Goering assured his staff they had nothing to worry about, since America could only produce "razor blades and refrigerators." One of those staff officers later joked that he sure needed some of those American refrigerators--i.e., the ones flying overhead and pounding German cities into rubble.

[Chulanowa]

50. Him and all his little nazi-lite buddies who crow about "western civilization"

There's nothing worse, in my eyes, than a poor grasp of history. And boy, racial purists who live in nations with governance systems based on the United States' (which is based in large part upon Native American and even a fair share of African ideals) really crack me up

[DetlefK]

34. In Germany, there's a fringe racist neo-nazi party called "The Republicans"

There are 3 neo-nazi parties in Germany: the NPD (from which said guy is from), the DVU and the Republicans ("Die Republikaner" REP). These parties agreed on a deal not to compete against each other in elections.

The only neo-nazi party worth worrying is the NPD, as she has gained several seats in a state parliament.
Her problem: The NPD is almost bankrupt due to internal corruption and breach of trust. As the NPD broke party finance laws, it had also to repay hundreds of thousands of Euros it got in taxpayer money. As far as I know, the NPD had to sell the building in which it's national center was located, to pay the money back.

[foxfeet]

38. Wie geht's, DetlefK?

:hi:

[DetlefK]

41. Danke, gut. :D

[Endangered Specie]

42. A certain food would describe this guy well...

[David__77]

43. It amazes me the the NDP hasn't been banned.

It's clearly national socialist in orientation. On the other hand, there is a benefit to having them in the open.

[DetlefK]

59. They tried, but police had planted so many undercover-agents, that they couldn't find out, what the

real NPD-members had perpetrated and what their own agents had done.

[mindwalker_i]

52. Somehow it's very comforting

...To know that America doesn't have a monopoly on whack-jobs.

[shanti]

53. nazi

mf'er....he can go to hell.

[Proud-D]

57. This is him and he sure looks and sounds like a nazi to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Ov5yusQmU

He is the perfect candidate for KO's WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD!

[reorg]

58. The NPD does not "sympathise" with neo-Nazis, it IS the neo-Nazi party

When the red-green government made an attempt to outlaw this party in the early 2000s (and failed), it turned out that about 10% of the NPD leadership were Verfassungsschutz agents ... In addition, it was reported that their first leader in the sixties, Adolf van Thadden, was an agent of MI5 in Britain.

The NPD was founded as successor to the outlawed NSDAP, supposedly to provide a counterweight to the new party of the Communists (DKP) which became legal at around the same time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4480651,00.html

[treestar]

61. So why did so many white people vote for the war on white people?

Racists are such idiots they can't keep their white heads on straight. They are living proof that their premise that their white skin makes them superior is wrong.