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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:47 PM
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Bush Warns Against Dismantling Market Systems to Solve Crisis
Source: Bloomberg

Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush today will urge leaders of the world's biggest industrial and developing economies not to abandon principles of free-market capitalism as they seek a way out of an international financial crisis, calling it the ``best system'' for delivering growth.

In a speech in New York before weekend talks among leaders from the Group of 20 nations, Bush will say policy makers ``should fix the problems we have rather than dismantle a system that has improved the lives of hundreds of millions of people around the world,'' according to statement released by the White House.

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In a sign the administration doesn't accept full responsibility for the world's woes, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said yesterday that while the U.S. is ``well aware and humbled by our own failings,'' it wasn't alone in making mistakes. The ``lack of consumption and accumulation of reserves in Asia and oil exporting countries and structural issues in Europe,'' also hurt the global economy, Paulson said.

Officials overseas have heaped blame on the U.S. and the notion of unfettered markets promoted by Bush for sparking the crisis. German Chancellor Angela Merkel last month attacked ``greed, speculation and mismanagement'' and criticized the U.S. for ignoring her call of last year for stronger market regulation. Rudd said ``the root of this malaise'' lay in the ``twin evils'' of greed and fear that went unchecked because of ``obscene'' failures in oversight.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aANsWb6tD.II&refer=news
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:50 PM
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1. Yes. That's a good idea.
If we keep everything exactly the way it is, it will all fix itself! :eyes:
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:48 AM
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14. The "Invisible Hand" will fix it, but not until it's picked the last dime out of our pockets. ~nt~
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:51 PM
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2. Let's Just Do The Exact Opposite Of Whatever Bush Says
History has shown that, unfailingly, this is the best way to proceed.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:26 PM
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28. Works for me. If Bush is for it, I'm against it.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:52 PM
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3. Thank god. Keep talking Georgie.
Keep drawing those parallels between your administration, free market capitalism, and the economic troubles we're currently facing. Eventually enough people will wake up to the fact that the three are connected.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:53 PM
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4. I can't wait for Obama to take over
We are experiencing the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and Bush's biggest concern is protecting the free markets. He doesn't know what the hell he is doing and is just fucking more shit up with his incompetence.

We need some damn leadership to get through this mess.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:58 PM
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5. Hey!....... Bush! STFU!
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desktop Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:02 AM
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6. The Bush name will go down in history to be synonymous with shit
eom
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:05 AM
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7. If Bush Warns Against Dismantling Market Systems To Solve Crisis...
Look No Further For The Perfect Solution:

Dismantling Market Systems IS The Cure!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:40 AM
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24. Exactly. If Bu*h wants it, it is bad for every living thing
except maybe rats, cockroaches, and the AIDS virus.
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Karl_Bonner_1982 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:07 AM
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8. Ironically it may be liberals that save the free market
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 12:11 AM by Karl_Bonner_1982
In the traditional Keynesian sense, it may be that careful regulation and a green social contract are the keys to keeping capitalism moving forward while at the same time eliminating many of the system's grossest injustices and rampant risky behaviors. Heck, if we had had a better regulatory framework over the past several years, we would never have had to take over large sections of the financial system or spend trillions of dollars worldwide on bailouts.

The "new laissez faire" doctrine that emerged in the 1970s had little to do with the economic problems of the day: soaring inflation and a limited oil supply. Those problems were merely opportunities for the Reaganomicists to get their foot in the door. Now, however, the new progressive doctrine IS aimed squarely at the problems of our time.

But Bush's definition of "not abandoning the free market" is quite a bit different than what Keynes was thinking. The Bushonomics definition of free markets is something we must abandon immediately if we hope to save the rest of the system from disaster.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:15 AM
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15. Also, why the 'free-market' emphasis on throwing workers out of jobs
at every opportunity, replacing them with machines or with cheaper workers elsewhere (although I'm certainly happy, to a degree, that this has helped many developing countries to come as far as they have in recent years - but enough's enough)? In the long run it's very counter-productive, as the US is now seeing.

Another example of where new and updated regulations are needed.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:11 AM
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9. 'lack of consumption'? Gee, doesn't that come from lack of money?
Which comes from deindustrialization? Which in turn comes from free trade globalist hogwash?

This stuff isn't hard, it's stone simple. The economists make it sound hard because that's their job.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:27 AM
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10. 'Cause Capitalism hasn't failed again...just our imaginations--!!!
Reform - re-regulate capitalism - and break up these monopoly companies --

which, btw, should be controlled w/our anti-trust laws ...!!!

Capitalism is killing us all -- and the planet--!!!
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:29 AM
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11. Capitalism is dead. FUCK capitalism.
It's time to seize control of these corporations, and give the power back to the workers where it belongs.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:30 AM
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12. Capitalism = death, destruction, human suffering
Let it die!
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:12 AM
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21. Yes, let's bury it.
It's done nothing but oppress many people for a long time. The current style of capitalism we have right now should at least die. What we had 60 years ago was better.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:39 AM
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13. Isn't the bailing out of corporations abandonment of free farket capitalism?
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:28 AM
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16. The capitalist two-step
This has been repeated time and time again:

1) Total free market system. Capitalists are allowed to become 'creative' in ways to generate income without government interference.

2) 'Creative' usually means a house of cards. Cards collapse. Lower and middle class bails out capitalists.

Lather, Rinse and Repeat.


Ask the person standing on an unemployment line, who has no health insurance, and is looking at his house being foreclosed, if he agrees with bush that capitalism is the 'best system'.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:34 AM
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17. Translation: We have not cleaned out the treasury yet. eom
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 08:25 AM
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18. Oh, they cleaned the treasury out long ago. Now they're cleaning out the FUTURE
treasury, unto the 7th generation (if Planet Earth lasts that long). (The World Wildlife Fund gives us 50 years, at present levels of pollution and consumption--50 years to the death of the planet. Kaput. Fini. No more human race. So either we become socialists, or we die. That seems to be the upshot.)
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:34 AM
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19. Yes, don't do anything crazy like have the government take control of or bail out companies
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 09:37 AM by SurfingAtWork
that would otherwise fail... that would be just nuts.

Do as we say, not as we do.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:11 AM
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20. LMFAO!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:57 AM
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22. I think dismantling the Bush administration would be a far better solution
January 20th can't come soon enough.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:37 AM
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23. Like anyone should listen to this f up who caused this mess?
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:38 PM
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26. Speaking of which......
we don't see much of ole' Babs and Daddy lately now do we? Are they proud of how their f* up of a son has f***ed up our country yet? I guess they can't show their faces in public much any more these days. No more defending the idiot son they raised.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:52 AM
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25. kind of tough to call it the "best system" when it apparently...
shit itself.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:46 PM
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27. Bush, this ain't "free market"
This is "prop up the market using taxpayer funds."
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:40 PM
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29. In Other Words, DO IT!
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