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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:10 PM
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Chrysler leaders get millions
Source: Detroit Free Press

As Detroit's crumbling auto industry asks Congress for a bailout, Chrysler is in the awkward position of paying about $30 million in retention bonuses to keep top executives while the company cuts thousands of jobs.

Chrysler owes the bonuses under its contracts with about 50 executives, based on a retention incentive plan crafted early last year by former German parent DaimlerChrysler, when it was preparing to sell the Chrysler unit.

Nancy Rae, Chrysler executive vice president for human resources and communications, said the move made sense at the time to ensure potential buyers that key Chrysler executives would remain in place after a sale. She acknowledged that the bonuses could be seen as controversial now...





Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20081113/BUSINESS01/311130002
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:18 PM
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1. Where are the boards of directors? I'd love to get them on camera...
where they can explain to the public why they approve of giant bonuses to executives in charge of bankrupt companies.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:34 PM
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2. In Germany. nt.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:36 PM
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3. Let the Deutsche Bank bail them out then n/t
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:50 PM
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14. Not a bad idea...nt
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:38 PM
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5. Mercedes sold their stake to Cerberus Capital Management
which is run by Dan Quayle.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:48 PM
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12. Dan Quayle does not run Cerberus.
He is chairman of their international unit though.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:01 PM
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22. Close enough for government work.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #5
34. Everything Ceberus touches these days turns to shit.
They are the controlling interest in GMAC as well.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:05 PM
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42. Haha.....
I would blame Fannie Mae more for the fate of GMAC then Cerberus. Probably the only reason that GMAC is still in business is due to the capital injections from Cerberus.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:42 PM
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6. Privately held by Cerberus Capital.
No one to report to except themselves.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:44 PM
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8. Not when the contracts were made....
as stated by the article.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:55 PM
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17. Cerberus assumed executive compensation and union contracts
along with all pension liablities when they purchased Chrysler from Daimler.

They are still on the hook for those payments.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:57 PM
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19. Agreed....
so they or at least their subsidiary is legally bound to pay them.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:44 PM
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9. No kidding. They can do that and still trade equity publicly?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:53 PM
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15. They don't trade publicly - they went private about a year ago . . .
nt
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:55 PM
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18. I need to get out more.
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:55 PM
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30. Cerberus Capital is a front for Israeli investors...


... you have to do some googling, but the words "Cerberus Capital" and "Israel" and "banks" keep on popping up. Here is one example:
<http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-31332260_ITM> . :yoiks:
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:03 PM
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41. Yep....
Its Dan Quayle and the Zionists trying to achieve world domination :eyes:.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:31 AM
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37. Your congressman is on the board of directors.
"I did not come to Washington to sit on the board of directors of Goldman Sachs."

D.Kucinich
prior to the $700 bilion corporate welfare scam vote.


Now he gets to use the executive bathroom with the gold key they gave congress as a thank you gift
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:37 PM
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4. What bullshit.
Who they hell would want to keep top executives in their positions if those execs are driving the company into the ground?

Retention bonuses? Bullshit! If an executive can't run a company in a profitable manner, they don't deserve ANYTHING. And if they're that good, they shouldn't be worried about making a deal like that, either.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:43 PM
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7. Kind of a Catch-22
1) If you fire them all then there would be total chaos - TOTAL.

2) If you do not pay them their bonuses - the only reason they remain, then they all leave. See (1).
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:49 PM
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13. But
Who else would want them?

Some of them leaving may have been a good thing.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:53 PM
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16. If you can all of them, then a new group coming in would have
to learn the ins and outs of the company and allllll of the nuances of the operational aspects of running the business. A mess. Imagine going to the local mall with 50 stores or so. Fire all the employees. Hire new ones in a week and tell them to run everything. It would be chaotic....now bring that to the scale of a very large auto company on the brink...not pretty.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:41 PM
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29. It would be hard - but it could be done.
There are many times I had to jump into a project knowing absolutely NOTHING about the project before hand, and within a short time, I was successfully turning a disaster around to a winning result.

We never said it would be easy - let them stay long enough to tell the newbies the passcodes, where the restrooms are, and where the files are kept.

Everything else will work itself out eventually.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:17 AM
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35. Hope you are right...I am a lot less optimistic.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:44 PM
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10. "key executives in place?" They're the ones responsible and should be let go.
Along with the entire board.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:44 PM
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31. If they get their bonuses do the executives promise to leave?
Who needs to retain these executives? They ran the company into the ground.
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jimmil Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:46 PM
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11. It is the corporate culture
Of GM, Ford, and Chrysler that fosters up and coming executives to be more lap dogs than innovators. If they truly promoted those whose ideas were innovative and set market trends then they all would be competing hard with Japanese auto makers. In fact, Japan would have never made it in the American market if GM et. al. built cars that were reliable and what consumers wanted. Instead they continue to think that they know better what the consumer wants than the consumers themselves.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:12 PM
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20. I am sick of sheeple
making all their decisions grounded in the politics of fear. How many times do people need to be manipulated by "the sky will fall nonsense" before they learn?
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:18 PM
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21. they should double it to $60 million!!!
bunch of assholes!!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:05 PM
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23. It's like a bad dream. Only it's really happening.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:06 PM
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24. This is probably what's going to happen
with a sizable chunk of the bailout money that's headed towards Ford and GM, as well. It's funny how badly a muckety-muck can screw the pooch and still be thought of as 'indispensable'.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:07 PM
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25. Why do we have to save ALL 3?
Seriously, Chrysler has been a dog for years. It almost merged with GM...who was going to rule that partnership? I think Ford employs more and sells more than Chrysler. Why not, IF we must do this, at least consider bailing out the big two instead of three?

Ford and GM can then slug it out against each other in the marketplace.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:24 PM
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26. It must be nice to be able to be a total f'*k up and get millions for doing so
:argh: :grr: :eyes:
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:35 PM
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27. Again-get rid of CEO & CFO totally
let the board of directors steer the corps. the CEO doesn't help anyway he's a leach, heck of a job guys.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:09 PM
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28. Execs have 2 choices, quit, or lose jobs.
If they don't like loosing their bonuses, they can quit!

If they stay and fight for their bonusus, the company will fold, and they will loose their jobs.

Maybe they should be Americans and accept smaller bonuses.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:58 PM
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32. the pigs should be BBQ'd, not fed...
Not just these, this is the rule not an exception.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:34 AM
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38. reward failure, tax success
and the people can pay the difference at the gas pump when congress says it's time to do your patriotic duty now that oil falls into the $50 bbl range..
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:26 AM
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36. Corporate welfare is thriving with this congress. Who else needs $
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 08:27 AM by ohio2007
much more to follow as the rich get richer
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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:15 AM
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39. What???!!!
Retention bonuses for top talent. What yardstick are they using to make this measurement? If they be such geniuses, they wouldn't need a bailout! Good grief.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:30 AM
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40. Any bailout should nuke any concract that provides a bonus based
on anything but PFP (Pay For Performance). You want to make a few million extra? Fine, make this company profitable by $100 million and we'll talk. If the company loses money, you're at your base, which I'd hack down to something reasonable.

Actually, I'd probably fire the top 10% of the execs, but I could be reasonable.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:22 PM
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43. congress already gave them the blank check. Only thing left is for congressmen to flip flop on why
they were against the bailout before they voted for it :crazy:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 05:10 PM
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44. This has been a Corporate problem for years. 30million for 50 executives.
I am sure that 30 million could have been spent a whole lot smarter.
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JJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 05:39 PM
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45. Screw retention. Where they going to go?
To all the other bankrupt automakers looking for new incompetents?
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