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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:43 AM
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New friendly fire coverup: Army shreds files on dead soldiers
Source: Salon.com

Nov. 20, 2008 | FORT CARSON, Colo. -- Last month, Salon published a story reporting that U.S. Army Pfc. Albert Nelson and Pfc. Roger Suarez were killed by U.S. tank fire in Ramadi, Iraq, in late 2006, in an incident partially captured on video, but that an Army investigation instead blamed their deaths on enemy action. Now Salon has learned that documents relating to the two men were shredded hours after the story was published. Three soldiers at Fort Carson, Colo. — including two who were present in Ramadi during the friendly fire incident, one of them just feet from where Nelson and Suarez died — were ordered to shred two boxes full of documents about Nelson and Suarez. One of the soldiers preserved some of the documents as proof that the shredding occurred and provided them to Salon. All three soldiers, with the assistance of a U.S. senator's office, have since been relocated for their safety.

Oct. 14 was a long and eventful day at Fort Carson. The post had been in an uproar. The night before, Salon had published my article airing claims that two of the base's soldiers, Pfc. Albert Nelson and Pfc. Roger Suarez-Gonzalez, had been killed by friendly fire in Iraq on Dec. 4, 2006, but that the Army covered up the cause of death, attributing it to enemy action.

Based on the testimony of eyewitnesses, and on video and audio recorded by a helmet-mounted camera that captured much of the action that day, my report stated that Nelson and Suarez seemed to have been killed by an American tank shell. The shell apparently struck their position on the roof of a two-story ferro-concrete building in Ramadi, Anbar province, Iraq, killing Suarez instantly, mortally wounding Nelson, and injuring several other soldiers. I included both an edited and a full-length version of the video in the article. The video shows soldiers just after the blast claiming to have watched the tank fire on them. Then a sergeant attempts to report over a radio that a U.S. tank killed his men. He seems to be promptly overruled by a superior officer who is not at the scene. An official Army investigation then found that the simultaneous impact of two enemy mortars killed the men.

The article about the alleged friendly fire incident was long overdue for some of the men who fought in Ramadi that day for the Army's Fort Carson-based D Company, 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division. Many continue to insist privately that a U.S. tank killed their friends.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/11/20/friendly_fire/
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:49 AM
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1. Sigh. K&R.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 02:11 PM
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20. Someone has to move on up the ranks.and figure out who did this.
These people running this administration don't give a dime about our soldiers.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:51 AM
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2. K&R
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 02:16 AM
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3. K&R
When *Bush talked about making his own reality, he wasn't kidding. Is nothing sacred to these people? To use the death's of US soldiers for PR propaganda is pathetic, and an insult to their memory.

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ksimons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 05:18 AM
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4. K&R - thank God they were smart about it - and are protected now

Now let's hope that same Senator goes after the idiots who learned from Bush that shredding is the answer to their problems. And we thought emails disappearing might for one second be innocent in a Bush Whitehouse.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:46 AM
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25. yea too many ''suicides'' connected to the boosh mafia
nt
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 05:27 AM
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5. knr for the biggest lie: "Army" shreds documents... excuse me? SOMEONE ORDERED THIS.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 05:28 AM by truthisfreedom
Not the "Army." A PERSON. Find him or her and boot that person out, now.
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AlabamaBrightBlueDot Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:57 AM
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8. Commander in Chief, perhaps? (n/t)
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 08:09 AM
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12. "boot him out now". No way. Court martial. Hard time. This shit is unforgiveable.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:29 AM
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6. "friendly" fire happens in every war and covering it up is an act
that will only cause greater distress for relatives of those killed when the truth eventually emerges , as it always will.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:45 AM
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7. K&R n/t
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:25 AM
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9. Pat Tillman? Who's that?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:32 AM
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10. nothing new here
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:53 AM
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11. K & R
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 09:29 AM
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13. Honor? Pride? Patriotism? Yea right! Bunch of liars as usual. Be all you can be ...pffft
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:11 AM
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14. Fog of war, fratricide, etc.....
...I understand friendly fire and that war is bloody, confusing and horrible in the heat of battle, but....

YOU ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH WHEN IT COMES TO THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO ARE LEFT BEHIND!

Some fucking O-6 who is worried about his fucking career should hang for this.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:46 PM
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24. I wholeheartedly agree
You put a bunch of high-strung kids with little sleep (and quite probably hopped up on some kind of prescribed amphetamine) into a nebulous, stressful situation, and shit like this happens. It is, to put it crudely, just the cost of doing business.

But you don't cover it up. Not even if some other kid -- some good, career, promising kid with a bright future in the military ahead of him -- fucked up.

There are exceptions, rarely (emphasis on the RARE), but this ain't one of them.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:15 AM
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26. Yes. As messy as war is, the truth should be told.
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 07:18 AM by crickets
BECAUSE war is messy, it must be told. No matter how painful the truth is, at the very least the dead deserve it. The living should demand it.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:01 PM
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15. This incident is a stellar example of the real
'* legacy'. A complete fabrication of reasons to invade a nation posing NO threat to the US. Then a cascade of lies, obfuscation and cover-up/denial to justify the eternal occupation. The entire * administration, beginning the day after the 2000 election, has been the definition of disaster.

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:08 PM
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16. Yet another conscienceless cover-up. My hero is not so much the commanding officer who said, when
told that the two soldiers were shot by an American tank, "It doesn't matter," but the unseen
soldier, off camera, who muttered, "It matters to me."


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:51 PM
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18. Indeed. Someday, someone will talk. And those who do are very brace.
And in my estimation, heroes.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:33 PM
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17. The tanks in Iraq seem to be especially ill-led. I'll never forgive
their purposely killing the journalists in the hotel.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:18 PM
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19. The military seems to coverup and lie about everything all the time.
Even when it's unnecessary they lie and coverup.

It must be their nature. Simply SOP.

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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 02:31 PM
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21. Does Army have oversight? Pentagon?
These people have had free reign for too long, the openly criminal administration must be stopped.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:42 PM
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22. This isn't surprising... There were earlier rumors of heavy coverups of # of suicides too!
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:39 PM
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23. motherfuckers..
to deny the families of these soldiers the truth surrounding their deaths is unfuckingforgivable.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:27 AM
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27. We have killed more of our own soldiers than anyone would admit.
I said this to my husband weeks ago, and I know Friendly Fire is part of war, but I truly believe this Iraq war has covered up many more of these incidents than previously reported.

How sad... and why so many of us didn't want this war in Iraq!



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