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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:30 PM
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Attorney General Michael Mukasey collapses while giving a speech at a Federalist Society dinner in W
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:05 PM by maseman
Source: CNN

Developing now. Now story yet.

New link to story.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/20/michael.mukasey.collapse/index.html
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:32 PM
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1. Drowned in his own bullshit?
Yes, I'm aware that on DU, and not to speak ill of the already tainted.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:37 PM
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6. I'm like totally...you know, like so offended by, like your evil post.
Okay, that pretty much satisfies my demand for decency about someone who won't uphold the law.....

Carry on.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:12 PM
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18. Man how perfect is that?
It is.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:16 PM
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19. Federalist Society. sheesh.
nutters.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:57 PM
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32. Dude. That's so cold...


...not.
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:30 AM
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78. Was he drunk?
The doctors said it wasn't a stroke.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:33 PM
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2. He forgot to short CitiBank stock.
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EconomicLiberal Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:34 PM
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3. Was he being waterboarded?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:36 PM
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4. *Paging Eric Holder*
Let's just go ahead and relieve this bunch. Dickie is under indictment, Paulson hyperventilates and now Mukasy collapses.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:36 PM
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5. Wow. I'm listening to CNN; not a word. First I've heard of this.
I hope he's okay. My disdain is overflowing from so many others.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:43 PM
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9. AC360 just had it on CNN.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:44 PM
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10. Then I missed it. Thanks. nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:46 PM
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12. Ha! I just heard this. Transmission delayed?! nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:41 PM
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:42 PM
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8. Bush Administration destroys everything it touches.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:44 PM
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11. Good thing he has great medical coverage...unlike so many of the rest of us
who pay his salary.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:51 PM
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13. MSNBC
Attorney General Mukasey collapses
Was giving a speech to Federalist Society when he began shaking

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27832242/

WASHINGTON - Attorney General Michael Mukasey collapsed during a speech Thursday night and was taken to a hospital.

Associate Attorney General Kevin O'Connor says Mukasey began shaking during a speech to the Federalist Society and collapsed. He did not immediately regain consciousness.

O'Connor, the No. 3 official at Justice, was traveling at the time and was alerted to the incident right after it happened.

This breaking news story will be updated.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:55 PM
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14. Sounds like poison
Too bad.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:18 AM
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76. The Video looked like he had a stroke ...
slurred, froze for a moment, then slouched onto the podium ...


:shrug:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:56 PM
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15. Cheney indicted and now Mukasey collapses.....Connection????
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:36 AM
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81. I personally think so
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:01 PM
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16. Yumpin' Yimminy, CNN's piece reads like an effing OBIT...
updated 14 minutes ago

Attorney general collapses while giving speech

(CNN) -- U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey collapsed while giving a speech Thursday at the Federalist Society dinner at a Marriott hotel in Washington.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/20/michael.mukasey.collapse/index.html



Mukasey, 67, is a retired federal judge appointed to the bench by President Reagan.

Mukasey was nominated to be attorney general by President Bush in September 2007 and was confirmed by the Senate in November 2007.

As a judge, Mukasey ruled that the U.S. government's detention of "dirty bomb" suspect Jose Padilla was constitutional, but that he must be allowed to meet with his attorneys.

During his attorney general confirmation hearings, Mukasey said he would make legal decisions based "on facts and law, not by interests and motives."

Mukasey also said he would resign from office if faced with a presidential order he believed was unconstitutional.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:07 PM
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17. Another AG out of the Federalist Society
Talk about a cancer that needs to be excised from our government.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:18 PM
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20. Choked on all the Reich-wing BS he spewed at that dinner?
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:21 PM
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21. The lies were too much for him. I hope he recovers quickly.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:41 PM
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26. Have no fear. HE'LL have the best medical care money can buy,
paid for by American taxpayers, many of whom have no health insurance at all.

The World's Only Superpower and Third World Dump.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:29 AM
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89. So he can spend his remaining years in prison, I hope
Along with the rest of the Bush Cabal, including Shrub's mother and father.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:21 PM
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22. I just saw the video on my local news
Wow, it looked like he just dropped dead. Just fell straight down.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:24 PM
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24. I've seen epileptics and stroke victims collapse in similar ways...
I'm wishing him a recovery so I can diss him with a clear conscience.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:39 AM
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72. I wonder if they will keep showing it.
I am looking to see it, haven't yet
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:24 PM
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23. I'm going to Frist this and diagnose him as having
acute cognitive dissonance.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #23
80. Aneurysm just like
the others who oddly had them. That is what I think anyways.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:24 AM
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82. No duh. Did the reference to "Frist" not register with you? n/t
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:28 PM
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25. Instant Karma's going to get you . . .
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:43 PM
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27. .
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:44 PM by DS1
.
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:46 PM
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28. Hello, lurking freepers. I'm sure you're having so much fun linking
some of the "tasteful" comments moments after hearing that someone had to be rushed to the hospital. I'm sure you're having lots of fun showing all of your RW friends just how heartless them godless libruls are. But wait, don't stop there, link it to regular folks too, so that they also think we're pieces of s#&t for kicking a man for collapsing and being rushed to the hospital where god knows what the outcome will be.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:54 PM
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31. this thread isn't our finest hour n/t
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:54 PM
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29. Looks like a stroke from the video.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:54 PM
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30. Bummer for him.
Really makes one wonder.
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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:03 AM
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33. I normally do not speak ill of the dead or critically ill. I'm known to make exceptions.
Fuck him.
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:09 AM
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34. It's OK, I've offered him redemption if he says he likes the same brand...
of Pop Tarts that I do. That absolves all criminal activity right?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:19 AM
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35. Suddenly becoming unconscious and unresponsive isn't a good sign
Though I despise his rightwing political views and legal theories, I don't have any personal ill-will towards the man, who probably has always been convinced in his own mind that he was doing the right thing

Never send to know for whom the bell tolls ...
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meuniermr Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:30 AM
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36. Deleted double post.
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 12:30 AM by meuniermr
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meuniermr Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:30 AM
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37. The Deputy Atty. General
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Filip">Mark Filip will step in if Mukasey is incapacitated or dies.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:30 AM
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75. Scalia's boy, huh?
Not much of an improvement.

My sympathies to Muk's family. His politics are not their fault.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:02 AM
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38. Sounds like he had an anxiety attack or something like that
Multiple sources described Mukasey's collapse to ABC News, saying he was delivering a strong speech defending the Bush Administration's legal policies in the War on Terror and taking direct aim at critics on the left and in the media.

At one point, a state court judge in the audience stood and yelled, "you tyrant." Mukasey continued his remarks in a grim, dispassionate tone, calmly refuting the criticism and expressing hope the next President will realize the tools he has been given.

But about 20 minutes into the speech, Mukasey began to make a coughing or gurgling sound, according to audience members. He tried to continue his remarks, but began slurring his words. He then very laboriously managed to get out one monosyllabic word and began teetering at the podium.

A man on the dias ran to catch the attorney general as he fell.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Politics/story?id=6303245

Anxiety/panic attacks can make you feel like you're having a heart attack. They're especially scary the first time you have one b/c you don't know that's what's going on. I bet he hyperventilated. When the Bush administration has to leave the padded cell of their mind hive, the world looks and sounds a little hostile - as it should.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:46 AM
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39. A State Judge yelling "You Tyrant" in a Federalist meeting
Can they toss that judge? Kudos to the judge.

As to Mukasey - at this point I don't give a damn since he will soon be out of power. I'm not going to wish any ill will on him.
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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40. Breaking: Attorney General Mukasey Collapses
Source: Daily Kos

Attorney General Michael Mukasey collapsed around 10 pm EDT this evening. He was the keynote speaker tonight at the Federalist Society's annual lawyers conference at the Marriott Wardman Park in Washington, D.C.

According to friends in the room, emergency paramedics were there to work on him pretty quickly, but there's no sense as to how things are going. It may have been a stroke. He has been taken to the hospital.

Justice Alito and former Attorney General Ashcroft were among those in attendance in this room of ~2000, and everyone there was pretty much silent, crying and praying quietly




Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/



Mukasey was praising Bush when the attack took place. I feel bad for him, hope he gets better, but you can only lie so much....I'm just sayin', ya know? Good thoughts his way, anyway. Maybe he'll come out of this with different eyes, (or different words).
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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41. I hope he's okay
and I hope he retires.
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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42. Me too, and I hope this wakes him up.
:shrug:
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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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43. Praying quietly?
PRAYING?? It really does make me have a low opinion of the people.

A guy collapse and they jump onto their knees and ask the big guy upstairs for a favor?????? I'm sure that piety will help the folks the Federalist society hopes to throw off assistance !!!

What a bunch of douchebags!

P.S. Lets hope Mukasey is okay. Our THOUGHTS go to his family.


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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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47. What the? What in god's name is wrong with praying for
someone when they are obviously ill. Your comments make no sense whatsoever.
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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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50. Just seems stupid to pray
Praying seems not very helpful in crisis situations. It might make the person praying feel better, but it helps the person who just collapsed NOT AT ALL.

But hey, if their is a god Gonzalez and Alito will definitely have some 'splaining to do.

Knock yourself out. Just seems stupid to me.
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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52. You're right. They should have all crowded around him to HELP.
All several hundred of them, lawyers mostly with no medical expertise, should have gotten off their damn knees, crowded around him, and, uh, done something. Anything. I mean, it was a CRISIS SITUATION.

What could it have hurt?
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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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54. Yes, that's what I meant...
Crowding around the body is the ONLY alternative to thinking words in your mind to a deity.

Thank goodness there's only two choices.

Again, prayer seems little more than mental masturbation in a situation like that.

Concern, sure. But quietly praying (I'm assuming they were muttering "help me lord" or maybe just silent but with their hands in front of them in the prayer claw position) just seems silly.

So to sum up - CROWD AROUND!!!
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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59. Actually, in blind case studies, according to reputable medical journals...
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 04:16 AM by JDwho
those who were prayed for (and didn't know it), healed more quickly and were more hopeful and optimistic during their hospital stay. Prayer to some is just sending good energy in someone's direction. To me, it's something altogether different. Hey, I thought we at DU were supposed to respect different religious beliefs. I think many are jaded by the people that have called themselves christians lately. However, medical science proves that prayer actually has a positive effect on the patient. Hard to argue with scientific data.
Edit: left out a word, anal huh?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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60. Not what I have read, sorry. nt
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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64. Bill Moyers once did a fascinating documentary about it
I forget what it was called off hand. It may have been part of a series.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
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68. Ummm, sorry, not necessarily true
http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/ap_060330_prayer.html

Quote: NEW YORK (AP)—In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery. In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications. :end quote

IIRC there have been other studies showing nil or negative effect

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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:40 AM
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83. Blind Study = No one knew they were being prayed for....
In addition, it wasn't limited to by-pass patients. Either way, science has indeed proven that patients, in general, were better when prayed for. I'm not stepping on your toes, just writing what I've read and seen on news specials over the years.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:04 PM
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85. Cite your sources
the only reputable study I've seen is the one that notes prayer did not have any impact.

I don't doubt that prayer can help a person - prayer as meditation - no matter who someone prays to, or whether someone prays to nothing - can have a beneficial effect on someone b/c it can provoke relaxation. You can cite various studies that look at changes in brain patterns.

This is different than having someone pray for you, however.

If someone knows someone else is praying for him/her, this could have a beneficial effect because someone does not feel alone - this sort of idea, however, is not about the prayer itself, but about relationships with others, which, again, improve others' health.

this is why a blind study matters if someone wants to look at the act of prayer itself. And the act of prayer itself, according to the recent study cited here, does not appear to have any impact upon someone's health/healing.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:58 AM
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92. Did you read italgilo's post, much less his cite?
"In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications"

Only part of the study was blind, part of the people knew they were being prayed for.

Study after study that I have read shows no advantage to prayer. There have ben some pseudo-science studies, ie. those that set out to prove that prayer helps, that have had opposite results published, but at best, only in the popular press.


Prayer can help the person praying feel better. The person being prayed for might feel good about people caring about them, but real, scientific studies have shown there has been no provable effect on their illness. Unless of course, the patient's faith is so strong that they decide to ignore medical advice and believe that their faith will cure them. Their are always stories about that one person who was cured by doing "X" against their doctor's advice. No one bother's to write about all the people who just die.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #59
70. Cite the study - this nonsense has been repudiated.
Thoroughly so.

BTW - respecting different religious beliefs includes respecting disbelief or nonbelief. If I'm in hospital and some godwad prays for me, I'm telling him/her/it to shut the fuck up and clean my bedpan.

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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:47 AM
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84. As is your right,
and have no wish to change anyone's belief system, or lack of one. Just telling you what I've learned over the years...reading and news special(s). Calm down.
By the way, if I get sick...pray, do a hula dance, chant or whatever the heck will help.
I've done some praying lately for my best friend who just yesterday was biopsied for lymphoma.
To each his own.
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:06 PM
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86. Here's just one:
http://www.sciencecases.org/prayer/prayer.asp

PRAYER HEALS, SCIENTISTS REPORT
Heart patients who had someone unknowingly praying for them suffered fewer complications, according to a study conducted by researchers in Kansas City, Mo.

William Harris, a heart researcher and the lead author of the study, said in 1999 when the results were published that it’s “potentially a super- or other-than-natural mechanism,” or a “natural explanation we don’t understand yet.”

The study by Harris and other researchers involved 990 patients admitted during a year to the Mid America Heart Institute program of St. Luke’s Hospital.

Patients, randomly divided into two groups, either had someone pray for them each day by community volunteers for four weeks, or had no one assigned to pray for them.

That strangers were praying for patients in one group was not revealed to the patients, their families, or their caregivers. They were not even told they were participating in the study.

The volunteers were told to pray daily for the speedy recovery with no complications for patients. They were only given the first names of selected patients.

Patients who were prayed for suffered about 10 percent fewer complications, ranging from chest pains to cardiac arrest, after four weeks, according to the study.

The research was published Oct. 25, 1999, in the Archives of Internal Medicine. The American Medical Association publishes the internal medicine journal.

Researchers concluded that prayer may be an effective addition to standard medical care. “Although we cannot know why we obtained the results we did, we can comment on what our data do not show,” according to the report. “For example, we have not proven that God answers prayer or that God even exists. It was intercessory prayer, not the existence of God, that we tested here.”


This wasn't the study I learned of, the one I'm looking for wasn't exclusive to heart patients.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #86
93. Reading your entire cite, it looks like an assignment...
on evaluating an article and the underlying study. The studies mentioned are real and not fictional creations for the purpose of the assignment. The conclusion of artcle appears to say that there is no provable effect of prayer.


"But this study and a similar one in 1988 in San Francisco that involved 393 heart patients had questionable methods, according to an expert not involved in either study.

Both studies used their own scoring systems that tallied complications. Dr. Herbert Benson, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, said their scoring systems have not been proven medically valid. Benson also is president of the Mind/Body Medical Institute at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston.

In one study, prayed-for patients suffered worse and others have found no apparent benefits to being prayed for.

Benson, however, noted that people who believe in God or in prayer typically fare better than those who don’t, according to medical research.

But whether prayer itself makes a difference remains unproven, according to Benson

Questions
Based on the article, evaluate the science in the study by answering the questions below.

What is the hypothesis of the researchers?
What predictions did the researchers make?
What is the independent variable?
What is the dependent variable?
What are the controlled variables?
Describe the control group.
What kind of evidence was collected in the study?
What is the conclusion of the researchers?
What assumptions did the researchers make?
Do you think this study is an example of pseudoscience? Explain.
Do you think this study is an example of junk science? Explain.
Do you think this study is an example of antiscience? Explain.
What questions do you have about details of the research that were not reported in the article? How would the answers to these questions better help you to evaluate the study?
What objections to this study do you think people of faith would have? "

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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. So true, I just mentioned that I heard prayer was beneficial...
because others were laughing at the thought of it. I didn't cite the special I saw on it so long ago; nor was I attempting to convince anyone. But, I can see how you may have understood it that way.
It's personal preference, period. Oh, and thanks, but no thanks for the assignment...:)
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #52
91. Yes, every last person in the room should have fallen to their kness in prayer
The man who ran over to catch him should be reprimanded for actually doing something instead of beseeching his higher being for intercession to softly cushion Mr. Maggo to the floor on angels's wings.

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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #50
73. Oh my. A Crisis situation is EXACTLY when you pray.
???? Excuse me but If I collapse in the next hour, I am hoping everyone that wishes will feel free to pray. :eyes:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #43
57. Oh crap, it makes some people feel better.
How many kinds of people fit in your tent? Must be lonely.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #43
58. Prayer....
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #43
63. Yahweh giving the thumbs up,Allah:thumbs down.
Vishnu:1 thumb up,one down,2 middle fingers.Thor:clearly pissed about something,throws two thunderbolts...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #43
97. My thoughts go to all the people he SCREWED BIGTIME...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 03:29 PM by TankLV
I could give a shit about him or his fucking family...

I suppose you'd fell sorry for Hitler, too - poor guy...

you can take your "concern" and shove it...

He's PROVEN SCUM...

The world is a WORSE OFF place for him having been born...it will be a MUCH better place after he's GONE...
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. Symptoms sound like a stroke.
If so, he got earliest and best possible intervention, which is a big positive, but no telling how bad it might have been.

Hope he's alright. Especially because I hate to think of all those sleazy Bushbots running around unsupervised at Justice for the next sixty days...

worriedly,
Bright
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #44
48. That's why they have assistant AG's. Actually the asst. might be
better than Mukasey. Remember Ashcroft's asst?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. My first cynical reaction
was to wonder if it was going to turn out to be agressive Atwater's Sarcoma, or a invasive Caseynoma.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
46. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Bondor Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
49. I wonder...
Here is a cynical take on this, based on no inside information: I wonder whether Mukasey were about to make a decision somebody would not like? Is it possible that someone tried to off him? If so, ... Makes me wonder. You?
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newamericanpatriot Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. Yep. My thoughts too. This being the Bush-Cheney cabal....
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 12:53 AM by newamericanpatriot
But as far as Mukasey... meh; who cares?

Not me, and I don't mind admitting it.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
53. Hopefully this is a metaphorical event foretelling a similar fate for conservatism and Republicanism
:beer:
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #53
71. Precisely my thought when I watched the video.
Kinda like Bush senior puking on the Japanese Prime Minister.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
55. Breaking: Pretzeldent Bush Collapses
would be a much more inspiring headline. Oh well, I can only hope for it.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
56. huh,seemed like such a semi-healthy 3rd reich henchman kind of guy smoking in an old war movie
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 03:31 AM by Algorem
pity if bush finds him irreplaceable

is ken starr busy?

how many in the audience thought of faxing their resume to the white house before mukasey even hit the floor?

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #56
79. LOL! The thing about people praying is you don't know what they were praying FOR?
"how many in the audience thought of faxing their resume to the white house before mukasey even hit the floor?"

:rofl:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
61. An interesting read on Mukasay

Michael Mukasey's father was born near Baranavichy in the Russian Empire (modern-day Belarus) and emigrated to the US in 1921.<8><9> Michael Mukasey was born in the Bronx in 1941.<10> Mukasey graduated in 1959 from the Ramaz School, a Modern Orthodox Jewish prep school in Manhattan. He is an Orthodox Jew.<11> His wife, Susan, was later a teacher and headmistress of the lower school at Ramaz, and both of their children (Marc and Jessica)<12> attended the school.<13>

As an undergraduate student, Mukasey was the editorials editor of the Columbia Daily Spectator<14> at Columbia University, where he received his B.A. in 1963. At Yale Law School he received his LL.B. in 1967. Mukasey practiced law for 20 years in New York City, serving for four years as an Assistant United States Attorney in the federal prosecutor's office<2> in which he worked with Rudolph Giuliani. In 1976, he joined the New York law firm of Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler, to which he returned after retirement from the U.S. District Court.<15> Mukasey began teaching at Columbia Law School in the Spring of 1993 and has taught there every spring semester since.<16>

Mukasey's son Marc L. Mukasey, as of 2007, leads the white-collar criminal defense practice in the New York office of Bracewell & Giuliani.<17> The Mukaseys have a professional relationship with Rudy Giuliani; Mukasey and son were also justice advisers to Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign.<18> Mukasey administered the oath of office to Mayor-elect Giuliani in 1994 and 1998.<18>


Judicial career
In 1987, Mukasey was nominated as a federal district judge for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan by President Ronald Reagan; he took the bench in 1988. He served in that position for 18 years, including tenure as Chief Judge from March 2000<19> through July 2006.<20>

During his tenure on the bench, Mukasey presided over the criminal prosecution of Omar Abdel Rahman and El Sayyid Nosair, whom he sentenced to life in prison for a plot to blow up the United Nations and other Manhattan landmarks uncovered during an investigation into the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.<15> During that case, Mukasey spoke out against leaks by law enforcement officials regarding the facts of the case allegedly aimed at prejudicing potential jurors against the defendants.<21>

Mukasey also heard the trial of Jose Padilla, ruling that the U.S. citizen and alleged terrorist could be held as an enemy combatant but was entitled to see his lawyers. Mukasey also was the judge in the litigation between developer Larry Silverstein and several insurance companies arising from the destruction of the World Trade Center.<15> In a 2003 suit, he issued a preliminary injunction preventing the Motion Picture Association of America from enforcing its ban against the distribution of screener copies of films during awards season, ruling that the ban was likely an unlawful restraint of trade unfair to independent filmmakers.

In June 2003, Democratic New York Senator Charles Schumer submitted Mukasey's name, along with four other Republicans or Republican appointees, as a suggestion for Bush to consider for nomination to the Supreme Court.<22>

On October 14, 2004, citing U.S. Supreme Court precedent, Mukasey reversed his September 2002 decision and dismissed a case in which plaintiffs in twenty consolidated actions sued the Italian insurance company Generali S.p.A. (Generali), seeking damages for nonpayment of insurance proceeds to beneficiaries of policies purchased by Holocaust victims before the end of World War II.<23> In so ruling, Mukasey gave deference to "a federal executive branch policy favoring voluntary resolution of Holocaust-era insurance claims."<24>


Retirement
Although Article III of the U.S. Constitution entitles district court judges to hold their judicial appointments for life, in June 2006 Mukasey announced that he would retire as a judge and return to private practice at the end of the summer. On August 1, 2006, he was succeeded as Chief Judge of the Southern District by Judge Kimba Wood. Mukasey's retirement took effect on September 9, 2006. On September 12, 2006, Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler announced that Mukasey had rejoined the firm as a partner.<25>

On the March 18, 2007, episode of Meet the Press, Schumer suggested Mukasey as a potential Attorney General nominee who, "by reputation and career, shows that put rule of law first."<26>

Since retiring from the bench, Mukasey made campaign contributions to Giuliani for president and Joe Lieberman for Senate.<27> Mukasey was also listed on the Giuliani campaign's Justice Advisory Committee.<28>

Extrajudicial opinions on law and terrorism
In May 2004, while still a member of the judiciary, Judge Mukasey delivered a speech (which he converted into a Wall Street Journal opinion piece) that defended the Patriot Act; the piece also expressed doubt that the FBI engaged in racial profiling of Arabs and criticized the American Library Association for condemning the Patriot Act but not taking a position on librarians imprisoned in Cuba.<29>

On August 22, 2007, the Wall Street Journal published Mukasey's op-ed, prompted by the resolution of the Padilla prosecution, in which he argued that "current institutions and statutes are not well suited to even the limited task of supplementing . . . a military effort to combat Islamic terrorism." Mukasey instead advocated for Congress, which "has the constitutional authority to establish additional inferior courts," to "turn considerable talents to deliberating how to fix a strained and mismatched legal system."<30>


cont'd


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mukasey
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
62. Oh my. I hope he comes through this okay.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #62
66. I hope the guy is alright
but he seems to be the main judical force in blocking any real investigation of 9.11

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
65. UPDATE - Attorney General Mukasey vital signs strong after collapse
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey was "conscious, conversant and alert" at a local Washington hospital after collapsing while delivering a national security speech at a hotel, the U.S. Justice Department said late on Thursday.

"His vital statistics are strong and he is in good spirits," department spokesman Peter Carr said in a statement. "The doctors will keep him overnight for further observations."

Mukasey, the top U.S. law enforcement and legal official, was rushed to George Washington University Medical Center in Washington after he collapsed...>


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4AK0W120081121
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
67. He was addressing the Federalist Society. I'm not surprised that he collapsed.
Can you imagine how poisonous that air must have been? Blleeeeeeccch.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #40
69. I hope he's okay.
n/t
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #40
88. US Attorney General Feels Fine, Returns to Work
Mukasey says he feels fine and is returning to work, less than a day after collapsing while giving a speech in Washington.

Mukasey made the comment in an e-mail to Justice Department staff, Friday.

The 67-year-old was released from a Washington hospital today, following an overnight stay. He smiled and waved to reporters and onlookers as he left the facility to return to the Justice Department.

Doctors have given him a "clean bill of health"...>

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-11-21-voa37.cfm
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:20 AM
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74. so i guess die motherfucker would be an inapropriate resonse ?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:24 AM
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77. Its bad form
to wish anyone harm under such circumstances.
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #77
87. I agree, I'd hate to be wished harm by so many, but look...
there are a lot of people doing the opposite. Funny how some wish horrible things on someone for being a despicable person, while actually being despicable themselves.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #87
90. not really.... maybe in your bubble, but not in the real world
you want to know what's despicable? Is people like you who tell others how to behave after some freak like Mukasey covers up for a criminal like Bush.

Get off your high horse, I think the air up their is too thin for your brain.
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #90
94. Hey, calm down...no high horse here,
Ask my husband. He witnessed my crazed behavior during the election. IMHO, it's a waste of good energy to exert it in such a negative way. I know this because I too, have done it. So, I'm not judging; just saying, the guy's sick and just because the Bushies have no ethics or morality doesn't mean we shouldn't. Obama has amazed me how many times he has taken the high road.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:25 PM
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96. Can I say "Good Riddance" and I'm sorry if I won't shed a tear for you" and
"I'm sorry for the HUGE SMILE creaping across my face"?

Fuck that BASTARD!

I don't wish him well at all.

A speedy journey to his "lord" is in order I believe...
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