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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:12 PM
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Obama Sharpens His Budget Blade: "meaningful cuts in federal budget"
Source: TIME

President-elect Barack Obama had warned on Monday that he would begin detailing on Tuesday how he would make some of the "meaningful cuts" he is planning for the federal budget. "If we are going to make the investments we need, we also have to be willing to shed the spending that we don't need," Obama said. "We can't sustain a system that bleeds billions of taxpayer dollars on programs that have outlived their usefulness or exist solely because of the power of politicians, lobbyists or interest groups."

Despite the rhetoric, however, the President-elect on Tuesday singled out only a single program for elimination — crop subsidies totaling $49 million that the Agriculture Department paid out to 2,702 millionaires apparently too rich to qualify for them between 2003 and 2006. But Obama also promised significant federal-budget surgery to come. While many incoming Presidents have made such promises, not one in the past two generations has had the crowbar of looming economic calamity available that Obama does to force major changes in the way Washington taxes and spends.

It may have been thin on details, but federal-budget hawks were pleased by Tuesday's announcement of big cuts to come. "The signals he's sending out are positive," says Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a grass-roots group that advocates federal-budget discipline. "I'm as encouraged as you can be in the face of a trillion-dollar deficit." Bixby says Obama's tone — and the message that he's unwilling to pour federal dollars into combating the recession without assessing the merit of that spending — should help curb some appetites on Capitol Hill. "He talked about the need to cut wasteful government spending to make sure that taxpayers dollars are being spent efficiently," Bixby said. "It sends an important signal to Congress that he's not willing to yank the lid off and say, 'Anything goes!' "

As Obama's fledgling economic team bolts together a stimulus package that could cost the nation's taxpayers upwards of half a trillion dollars, the President-elect said the old ways of building a federal budget — often piling additional billions onto hidebound programs of dubious value — are over. He pledged that his Administration would go through the federal budget "page by page, line by line, eliminating those programs we don't need and insisting that those that we do need operate in a sensible, cost-effective way." He referred to the "hard-pressed middle class" and declared that "their government is on their side" — a jibe at the Bush Administration's preoccupation with restoring the fortunes of Wall Street....

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1862182,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:14 PM
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1. Step one: Cut Defense by 2/3'rds
Step two: Disband Fatherland Security.
Step three: Implement war-profiteers winfall taxes to 100%
Step four: Roll back ALL Chimp's tax cuts
Step five: Increase spending on education, economy
Step six: Increase CAFE standards by 100% (by that, I mean cars should be no more than 125MPG. Trucks too) by 2020.
Step seven: Freeze all assets belonging to BFEE/Carlyle Group etc..
I could add a few more steps, but I think that pretty much nails it right here.


Hawkeye-X
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:27 PM
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10. It's semantic, but I think the DoD should have its name changed back to the Department of War.
It's a much more honest name for such an institution.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 06:40 AM
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50. There's something a little... German... about the whole thing.
In 1935, Germany changed the name of its forces from Reichswehr (Homeland Defense) to Wehrmacht (Defense force). I don't speak German, but it seems to me that they have a similarly cloudy distinction between "war" and "defense."

Curiously enough, we now have both things: A department of Homeland Security, and a Department of Defense. Probably only symbolic, but since the Republican Party just gave its best shot at building a bridge back to Germany in 1935, I can't help noting the similarities.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:34 AM
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59. Yeah, no kidding. Defense against whom?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 11:35 AM
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65. A invasion of bovines perhaps
Chick-fil-A "Eat Mor Chikin" Cow Parachutists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWIoYSurSrw
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:21 AM
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18. amen n/t
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:07 AM
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24. You forgot
Stop the war against some drugs, get rid of DEA. And CIA druglords, once you're at it.

Also, cut War department by 99%. Get rid of NED etc.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 06:26 AM
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26. The "spy" satellite budget is pretty ridiculous, too...eom
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:27 AM
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32. Nuts
Political Suicide.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:23 AM
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35. Initially.
But when it does wonders after 4 years...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:22 AM
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34. Uncap FICA...
Double the inheritance tax...
72% top marginal rate, for starters...
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #34
57. Uncap FICA?
A tax increase on the middle class is probably not the best idea.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:35 AM
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52. pie in the sky.
never ever going to happen. And some of your goals are terrible ones. Why should middle class tax cuts be rolled back? What makes you think it's possible to have all cars and trucks getting 125 mpg by 2020? Why not concentrate on alternative fuels/ Freeze all assets belonging to the Carlyle Group on what grounds? Cutting defense by 2/3 sounds great but it'll NEVER happen. Hell, it wouldn't happen if Dennis was president.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:36 AM
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60. I don't think he's going to cut defense, though, since he just promised to send more troops to
Afghanistan.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:18 PM
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2. There was a story a few weeks back about a team of
people, or a swarm, who had been looking into the budget books for months. I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows what he'll be cutting.

Obama's way ahead of us, I'm thinking.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I am amazed by the preparation they've done. And I'm awestruck daily...
by Obama's leadership even before he takes office.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. We knew he'd be good, didn't we, ' Mom.
:fistbump:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Yes we did!
:woohoo:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:20 PM
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3. If it doesn't include the Pentagon and Homeland Security, he's just
blowing hot air.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #3
19. amen again n/t
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:26 AM
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31. You can't possibly expect him
To cut the DOD and Homeland Security. The meida and the Right will have a field day and turn the entire country against him. If he even thinks about military cuts, he is going to get attacked with the destruciton of the military in time of War. Obama has been an Al-Qaida Hawk... The rhetoric will be that he is sending our kids off to war and taking their weapons from them, he will never survive a move like that.

Homeland Security any one change that is perceived to create a security gap will be enhanced. God forbid we suffer any type of terror attack even domestic and the crys for Pitchforks and torches on the White House lawn will be sounded from coast to coast.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:33 AM
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36. I can expect and even see a way to do that.
Obama is a smart political animal, and he understands very well that in politics, perception trumps all things. Controlling the debate, thereby controlling the perception of the debate is key to success.

So, all he has to do is come out flog all the outragious line items in the DoD and the Military's budget. And there are things they are grossly over paying for because of a rigged system. Expose that, and the Republicans and the scardy-cats in the general public won't have a leg to stand on.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:25 AM
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40.  Exposing the facts that the Private Sector
rapes the government is one thing.... but asking Americans to approve of a slashing of the defense budget is something completely different.

In perspective. The military may pay $5k for a $10 widget. But if the widget keeps our soldiers safe in any form or fasion or if the widget is what makes the engines of war turn you can bet that the majority of Americans are going to vote to continue to buy the widget at $5k then to risk the lives of our soldiers.

The only salvation is to end all war and create the conditions of Peace where you no longer need the widget and the widget company goes out of business.

But that isn't going to happen either.... Russia and Venezuela are already teaming up to give Obama a serious Foreign policy challenge. Not to mention what Iran/Isreal may or may not do in the near future.

The world remains a dangerous place. I really thought Obama may be the One that actually could change that but my hopes are fading fast.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:57 PM
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41. Depends on how you frame the issue
If Obama uses the government's obvious leverage of approving contracts, and actually makes a case of having real competition with contracts to drive the price down... well I think everybody (but the scummy contractors) wins there.

But framing it that way would be critical, cuz if the other side frames it your way, then the battle is lost before its begun.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:28 PM
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43. Exactly....
but real competition is non-existent because of the proprietary nature of the WAR MACHINE. Most sane companies do not make widgets.... Therefore the widget maker can charge the DOD whatever it wants.

There really is no true competetive process. Believe me I am on the inside with this and that is exactly how it works.

So framing it for the Public is really not the issue.

Besides their are 10 of thousands of contractors employed by the DOD.... Its not going to sit well in a down economy to drop all the defense contractors and to shut down weapons programs... again it is political suicide because of the impression it leaves when the Political opposition starts screaming ... DANGER, DANGER, DANGER...

and the MEDIA sceams TERRA, TERRA, TERRA... Just watch the news ... Peace is becoming an impossible task.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 03:40 AM
Response to Reply #40
49. People were getting up in arms over $1000 toilet seats for a while
So it is conceivable that they could get angry over $10 widgets being being bought with the taxpayer dime for $5000, if they had the full story.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. if he highlights the waste, corruption, sweetheart contracts
and the money stolen outright by corporations and other subcontractors, people will get behind him...
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:43 AM
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54. Just what IS the budget, exactly, of the DOD and Homeland Security?
We are in dangerous times in the world, the terrorists are intent on killing as many westerners as possible, and are intent on damaging the financial systems of the western civilizations. So we need a strong defense budget, and as we have seen, Homeland Security has been inept at controlling the people coming across borders or of guarding our ports. So I'm thinking Homeland Security may be made more efficient, but that would be hard to do with a budget cut, which would mean firing personnel.

But I don't really know what the DOD budget is, compared to other times of war, or what the Homeland Security budget is. I wonder if someone on this board knows?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:22 PM
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5. More dessicant bags in and around expensive aeroplane
electronics... wasn't it moisture in the computers of the B1 bomber (one billion a copy) that brought it down?? Anyway, do we really need bombers that do all that fancy stuff in order to kill a man on a camel? I'm just sayin'.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. Yes those guys driving Camels
Are a wily and devious bunch

Especially when they use whips on the beasts to get them to gallop



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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:22 PM
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6. I thought Fed spending was a GOOD thing. What is he doing???
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:24 PM
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7. Being selective about spending - throwing money at bad ideas isn't a good thing
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:24 PM
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9. meanwhile the bailout is giving away $1.5 trillion we will never see again nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 11:23 PM
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16. pissing money into a stiff breeze
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #9
17. why not make illegitmate the federal #s
of that trillion, the Feds would know the #s
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:37 PM
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12. Let's close some overseas military bases
Why should we keep defending Europe and Japan, for example?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Truthfully,
most Europeans would love to see us leave.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:24 AM
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20. those communities supported by the bases wouldn't
wonder how much of an economic impact base closings would have in Europe and Japan?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 03:37 PM
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47. on the flipside,
why are taxpayer dollars used to prop up some local community economy thousands of miles away in a peaceful country? i get the feeling they will survive somehow...
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:28 AM
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33. LOL
Thats great advise. Close military bases... Political suicide.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:37 AM
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38. Ummm... no
I don't think a lot of Americans will be sad to hear that we'e spending LESS money in Germany and Japan. Besides, it's essential that we reduce the military budget.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:12 AM
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39. The Political Opposition
Is chomping at the bit to rape Obama. Recommending the closure of military bases will be spun to mean we are becoming isolationists. With Russia and Venezuela recently sabre rattling, Obama will be eaten alive is he attempted anything even close to this. Look for Military expanisionism from Obama and watch the news the media is already creating a new Cold War.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:29 PM
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42. We can't afford it
The U.S. will be forced to pull back. We cannot afford our empire anymore.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. LOL
Isolationism is exactly the approach the Republicans want Obama to take so they can nail him with everything from Mumbai to Wall Street.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. uh...the republicans will try to nail him no matter what he does
and he's president elect with congress behind him now...he doesn't have to be overly concerned with republican feelings over the matter...
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #33
48. He should just do what makes Republicans happy instead, right? (nt)
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #48
56. Perceptive you are.
Well he hasn't done much yet that I like, so I guess we will see come Jan 20th.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #12
51. Defending? It's more like the mob extorting protection money
There are something like 800 US bases in the world.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 10:19 PM
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14. Unless its defense and Social Security...everything else is crumbs at the table.
It seems odd that you are happy you cut 55 million when you just spent 1 trillion dollars in the last two months. If nothing else, he needs to take the war profiteers to task and make their names public.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #14
21. yep. he can start with these guys
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #14
25. No doubt
his team of Clinton pukes will up the war budget and cut social security. Who needs food coupons anyway...
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:33 AM
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22. great post DMM thanks K & R
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:37 AM
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23. Cut any farm subsidies that benefit Oklahoma
Those voters need to be punished for their actions on Election Day.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 07:46 AM
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27. He's going to have to raise taxes on the ultra-wealthy, preferably back to pre-Reagan levels. (nt)
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 07:55 AM
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28. Obama has made it clear that Corporate Welfare will not be touched under his admin.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #28
55. He has not, of course. I wonder why you would post such an inflammatory, anti-Obama statement. nt
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #55
58. That is not an anti-Obama statement.
Rather, it is just an acknowledgment of the facts of reality.

The same folks who always call the shots will still be calling the shots.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:12 AM
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29. strike while the iron's hot
History is handing Obama a golden opportunity to eliminate hundreds of billions of wasteful, irresponsible spending by the Pentagon. I've worked at several federal agencies (DoD, Transportation, Treasury, Labor) and trust me--although there is waste at civilian agencies, most are operating on bare bones budgets these days. No civilian programs remotely approach the vast DoD gravy train. If Obama doesn't slash military spending, I've no idea what he can possibly eliminate that would make a difference to the federal bottom line.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:14 AM
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30. Slashing the military budget by 95%?
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 08:25 AM by ryanmuegge
That would be the most sensible thing to do.

However, if history is any indicator, Obama and the punks in congress won't have the courage to do that. Instead, these cuts will probably be entitlement programs that are literally the only things keeping the poor and jobless alive right now. Wall Street and the cable news clowns were salivating about the idea yesterday. This should not be surprising to anybody. This is what militaristic banana republics with massive trade deficits have to do. We have to make massive cuts because we no longer get anything from our own people.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:38 AM
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53. flat out ridiculous. as in never happen ridiculous. you'd never even
get kucinich to agree that a 95% cut would be a good idea. And as Obama wants to markedly increase discretionary spending on entitlement programs, I doubt that we'll see massive cuts there.

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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #53
61. It isn't going to happen, but it would be a good idea, regardless of what you say.
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 11:47 AM by ryanmuegge
And, yes, if there is not a massive cut in empire ("defense" is an absurd misnomer), the two major entitlement programs will have to be slashed. All of these bailouts necessitate it.

Are you afraid of not having a overblown military to maintain bases all over the world and slaughter civilians?
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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:33 AM
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37. How about adjusting the military retirement time
to match the 30+ years for other federal employees? Twenty years of service means people can retire by 40 with a full pension and full health benefits for life.
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hardtravelin Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:21 PM
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63. Full Pension???
20 years puts you at 50% base pay. For the average military person, retiring at E6 to E8, that works out to about $1600-$1900 a month. Big money!!! In most cases, military retirees usually have medical problems (knees, backs, ankles, shoulders, hearing, etc.) that diminish your quality of life.

So, $400.00 to $500.00 a week after putting your ass on the line for 20 years seems like a good bargain for all but the most reactionary and misinformed people.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:39 AM
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62. let medicare negotiate prescription prices and end medicare plus subsidies
Doing both of those will save about $35 billion a year. Ending the war in Iraq will save $120+ billion a year.

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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:01 AM
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64. I'm sure Obama knows this...
but all of the easy things to do in Washington have already been done.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:47 PM
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66. Cut every department by 10% for starters
and then put the scalpel away and pull out the butcher knife to very government program.
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