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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:16 PM
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Chavez govt starts legal probe of its political opponents
Source: Gulf Times

CARACAS: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s government has started legal investigations of some of its political opponents after the opposition gained ground in state elections.

Officials are investigating an anti-government television station, have interrogated a top opposition politician and have moved to limit the power of the new authorities.

The opposition won control of the most populous states in elections last week but Chavez allies still rule most states and towns.

Chavez warned the new governors he was watching them and told them not to use their power against him.
“I’m going to evaluate them very closely,” he said. He called one new governor a fascist for taking part in a failed 2002 coup against him but said he would not trouble opponents if they obeyed the law......

Read more: http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=257611&version=1&template_id=43&parent_id=19



Things may get really bad in that beautiful country.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:22 PM
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1. LOL
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:23 PM
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2. Chavez is certainly a dick.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:10 AM
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19. Chavez is certainly respecting elections& eyeing the coup-participants he refrained from prosecuting
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:24 PM
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3. And 8 years of hamhanded, illegal "diplomacy" have handed this guy . . .
who, regardless of what else he may be (saint or devil, you pick 'em) is very dangerous -- victory after victory. Heckuva job, Condi, Dick, and Dickhead!
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:55 PM
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20. Chavez is very dangerous? To whom?
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 07:43 PM
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26. Errr . . . the region? The hemisphere? The planet?
You perhaps consider him a force for stability?

He might be on the side of the angels against evil corporatist oppressors (I don't happen to believe that, but let's let that be the premise), but he is also erratic, vindictive, and authoritarian. None of this bodes well.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:44 PM
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22. Illegal "diplomacy. Odd concept. Your view that Chavez wins because of bad US policy
rather than the chances he has implemented in a desperately polarized country formerly controlled by a filthy, greedy, racist oligarcy could use some "hamhanded" doses of actual research and study, lots of it before your input has any depth or value.

"Dangerous" Chavez. That's a hot one.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 07:52 PM
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27. My view is that US actions . . . such as slavering over bungled coups . . .
Has handed him a stick to beat both his opponents and the US with. The illegal part comes in because it's actually against the law in the US to collaborate in the overthrow of another country's leadership. Iraq, for example, was only considered "legal" because of Bush's interpretation of a badly conceived Congressional mandate.

And despite what I extract from your passionate but rather confused statement, Chavez is clearly a provocateur who tweaked George Bush's nose because he was sure he could get away with it, treats his political opponents like criminals, misleads his adherents, and is well down the road to setting up a traditional faux-populist dictatorship on the Peron model.

Just because someone's GWB's enemy doesn't make him an angel.

And yes, if you consider hemispheric stability preferable to hemispheric chaos, he's dangerous.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:28 PM
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4. It should read: "legal"
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:31 PM
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5. Sounds sorta like what Obama needs to do here. nt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 08:08 PM
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6. US media covers Chavez victory and calls it a defeat
Allies of President Hugo Chavez's won a strong majority in Venezuela's local elections on Sunday, winning 17 of 22 state governorships and 265 of 327 mayoral races. The opposition made important gains, capturing the Caracas mayor's office and two of the most populous states.

Meanwhile Russian President Dmitry Medvedev arrived in Caracas on Monday to meet with Hugo Chavez, just one day after a Russian fleet docked in the Venezuelan port of La Guaira. The Russian navy will be conducting joint naval maneuvers with Venezuela in the Carribean. The maneuvers are scheduled to begin on December first. In Caracas, Russian and Venezuelan officials signed a series of accords, including one pledging cooperation in nuclear energy for peaceful uses.

The Real News Network spoke to Latin American Studies Professor Miguel Tinker Salas who says, the fact that the opposition was able to make modest gains means it's a victory for Venezuelan democracy, and the Venezuelan political process, and the maturity of the Venezuelan population who participated—over 65 percent in this regional election process.

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2872&updaterx=2008-11-28+17%3A42%3A59

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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:14 PM
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7. Hugo's opposition is like Fox on crack. They cheat and lie about him.
They have the support of the corporate elite. It is very hard for Chavez who represents the poor and voiceless in his country to go up against the liars and cheaters who have the power to steal elections and sway the public against him.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:17 PM
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8. "He called one new governor a fascist for taking part in a failed 2002 coup against him"
So someone who was involved in a coup against Chavez has been elected. Boy, some dictator this guy is eh? :sarcasm:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:19 PM
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9. chavez led a coup..hurts your brain huh
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:34 PM
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11. The coup Hugo Chavez led was against a man who had his troops fire on unarmed protesters,
killing at least 3,000 of them, in the massacre named "El Caracazo," in February, 1989, a turning point in history for the entire country.

That same President was impeached for massive corruption.

He was clearly a man who needed to be stopped, and the officers who led the coups were men going after a monster. He WAS stopped eventually, but over 3,000 died before it happened, unfortunately.

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:13 AM
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18. Hardly.
Not all attempted overthrows are the same. Each has its own extenuating circumstances. Sometimes they're justifiable. I can't imagine that you don't realize this.

Regardless of that however, if Chavez owed anything to his society for any supposed transgressions, his debt has obviously been payed in full. Such is clearly illustrated by the fact that he has been repeatedly elected president of his country.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:24 PM
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10. Shouldn't be too long before the winners
are accused of "corruption" (wink, wink, nod, nod) and removed from office and properly subservient cronies are installed.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:36 PM
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12. The "winner" Manuel Rosales took part in the coup against Hugo Chavez, and was involved
in a plot to assassinate him several years ago, something the more attentive DU'ers knew at the time.

You're just spinning your tires here.

Take some time off and try to learn something about the subjects you hope to discuss.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:42 PM
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14. The Bias against Chavez is amazing
Hugo is not perfect but he is a DAMN side better than most former, and many present, leaders in Latin America. Remember how Bush was supported by the corporate media for years? Well in Hugo's case the exact opposite occurs.
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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:58 PM
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21. and he was still elected by the people.
what does that say?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:57 PM
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24. It says he lives in a right-wing oil producing state, just like the red states in the US.
It's a place with huge latifundas, and owners who use their own paramilitaries to intimidate the poor. There are skinheads, racists, and a strong anti-government attitude throughout the area.

What do you think it says?

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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:52 PM
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15. Not what is going on here
It is almost certain that OUR CIA under Bush's authority was the part motivator to oust Chavez with a coup. There are some pretty amazing news accounts of how Hugo outsmarted the bastards.

Do you know how many times the U.S. has tried to assassinate, eliminate or overthrow leaders of countries for one reason or another that had nothing to do with the direct safety of Americans. Dozens!

Consider: http://www.jjraymond.com/political/2007/chavez.html

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:54 PM
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23. We're still waiting for one of these dire predictions to come true.
lol
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:51 PM
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13. Isn't there a Latin american forum for threads like this ?
Chavez asks military, backers to prepare for fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDY0DfEjmo&feature=related

At least those that get "bad replies" or not the right headline title tend to get moved I've noticed.:eyes:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:13 AM
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16. "Things may get really bad in that beautiful country." ?? I'm waiting.
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 01:18 AM by Peace Patriot
Chavez is a dictator. Chavez is a wannabe dictator. Chavez is increasingly authoritarian. Blah, blah, blah. We keep hearing the slanders and dire predictions over and over, ad nauseum.

Yet the people of Venezuela give him a 60% approval rating, just gave his socialist party 17 out of 23 state governorships, give their own democracy the highest approval rating of any people in this hemisphere, and have elected Chavez three times (including a short term just prior to the new Constitution), with increasing margins of victory (most recently in 2006, with 63% of the vote), as well as turning back a US-Bushwhack funded rightwing recall election. Are the people in "that beautiful country" stupid peasants? Is that what you're saying? They don't recognize a "dictator" when they see one?

"Things may be really bad...". The man has been president of Venezuela for ten years, with increasing levels of popularity and the support of the voters, in what international observers consider a model of transparent elections. (We should be so lucky!) WHEN are "things" going to get "really bad"?

I'll tell you what I think. I think things are going to get really bad if the Bushwhack plan to instigate a fascist secession coup in the oil-rich Venezuelan state of Zulia--like the one they just tried to pull off in Bolivia--is implemented. Oil War II-South America. That's "things" getting "bad." Right now, "things" have never been better for the people of Venezuela, especially for the poor majority, and for the country as a whole, with the general population at last benefiting from their own oil riches. As well as universal education and universal medical care--many other benefits such as grants/loans to small businesses, and the development of infrastructure and local manufacturing, Venezuelans have 140 billion dollars in international cash reserves--to ride out the Bushwhacks' Financial 9/11--because the Chavez government renegotiated the oil contracts, from the 10/90 giveaway to multinationals of previous rightwing governments, to a 60/40 split in favor of Venezuela, under Chavez. The Chavez government has also clamped down on tax scofflaws, and actually collect taxes, in an orderly and fair manner.

Further, under Chavez, the National Electoral Council is not only completely independent and not only runs honest, aboveboard, transparent elections, the numbers of people voting and the numbers of people participating in self-rule have greatly increased, with enthusiastic encouragement from the government. Chavez lost a proposed Constitutional referendum last year--lost it by a hair--and didn't whine about fraud or the baldfaced lies of the opposition about the reforms. It's funny how they call a leader a "dictator" when he puts everything to a vote of the people. He lost, in a close vote (50.7% to 49.3%) and moved on.

WHEN are "things" going to get bad?

"Things" were bad when the U.S.-Bushwhack supported coup was perpetrated in 2002, and the fascists suspended the Constitution, the National Assembly, the courts and all civil rights, and kidnapped the president and threatened his life. That was bad. And I'm not going to cry any tears over the investigation of that treacherous plot, or any others that the fascist minority cooks up with the Bushwhacks and Exxon Mobil. I mean, fuck them. They don't deserve Chavez. They don't deserve a fair government that proceeds according to the rule of law. Like our Bushwhacks, they ought to rot in jail for their crimes--if they are duly investigated, prosecuted and found guilty--and it would be no loss to Venezuelan democracy whatsoever. Just like here. We could be without Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and the whole lot of the corpo/fascists who destroyed our country and our democracy. Investigation wouldn't harm us. Prosecution wouldn't harm us. And seeing that lot in jail would do us no harm whatsoever, and would in fact do a world of good.

There is sufficient evidence, to my mind--just from studying a wide variety of news reports--of fascist coup plotting, and also gangsterism, in Zulia, to warrant a government investigation. There is most certainly evidence of dire intentions on the part of the Bushwhacks, and wouldn't they love to hand Obama a bloody awful mess in South America, as their parting gift?

I'm glad Chavez is on it. The Bushwacks and their corpo/fascist cronies hate him. They WILL do him in if they can. And there are plenty of traitors in Zulia--and rightwing death squads across the border in Colombia--who would gladly do the deed, and hand over the oil rights in Zulia to our corporate predators.

The Bushwhacks are not done with us--as their Financial 9/11 plainly demonstrated. What else have they cooked up? What did Donald Rumsfeld mean, in his Dec 07 op-ed in the Washington Post ("The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants like Chavez"), when he urged "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America? The traitorous coup plotters in Zulia? I think it's very likely.



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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:35 AM
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17. Oh no, it's the Boogie Man Hugo Chavez - I'm hiding under the bed!
:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared:
:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared:
:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared:

:popcorn:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:58 PM
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25. I heard Hugo Chavez is the DREAD PIRATE ROBERTS!
:scared:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:12 PM
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28. Well, of COURSE he/it *does*~
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:15 PM
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29. Lesse see, WHERE oh where wil he aim thos nuCLAR weps at? At the Hispanic
centers, like the Valley, or Corpus Christi, or San Antonio, or Houston?
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