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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:30 PM
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Report: Iran court upholds stoning death sentence
Source: AP

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's Supreme Court upheld a stoning death sentence for a woman convicted of adultery in the southern city of Shiraz, an independent newspaper reported Saturday.

The daily Etemad Melli, or National Confidence, reported that the court also upheld another death sentence, this one by hanging, against the woman, who was also convicted of killing her husband with the help of a male accomplice.

The man was sentenced to 15 years in prison after he was convicted of being an accomplice in the murder. He was also sentenced to 100 lashes for adultery, but was not given the death penalty because he was married.

Judiciary officials were not immediately available for comment. It was not known when the slaying took place or when the two were convicted ...


Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jcbgBJ1ocaseo35kPx_wfPo7B9_wD94ONBNO0



Iran confirms stoning sentence against adulteress: report

TEHRAN (AFP) — ... The woman identified as Afsaneh R., was also given a second death sentence for murdering her husband with the help of a man identified only as Reza, who had an affair with her, Etemad Melli newspaper reported ...

An Iranian rights group said in July that eight women and one man had been sentenced to death by stoning for adultery over the past few years and urged the Islamic republic to halt their executions.

In August, the judiciary said it had scrapped the punishment in Iran's new Islamic penal code, whose outlines have been adopted by the parliament but its details are yet to be debated by MPs before final approval and coming into effect.

The judiciary also said stoning sentences against several convicts had been suspended and commuted to either lashes or jail terms but it was not known if any of the nine convicts were among those whose lives have been spared ...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j-IpCaRfRp0nHSoU9kDPWAkYxqeQ


The Stop Stoning Forever Campaign: A Report
Rochelle Terman
Women Living Under Muslim Laws
November, 2007

... there is no mention of stoning in the Quran ...

Of all the Muslim-majority countries, stoning as a form of punishment is only provided in the criminal codes of Iran, United Arab Emirates, and the Sudan. In Iran, stoning as a punishment did not exist until 1983, when the contemporary Islamic Penal Code was ratified ... In some cases, if a victim can escape from the ditch during the stoning, they will be freed. However, because women are buried up to their breasts and men only at their waists, women will have a smaller chance of escaping than men ...

... activists involved in the Campaign focus on the act of stoning as a symbol for the overall structure of the Iranian Penal Code, Family Law, and overall society that harms women ... stoning is the worst product of discrimination and violence against women in Iran, and by targeting the issue of stoning, activists can then highlight the discriminatory laws in which it represents.

Out of the thirteen cases of stoning that the Stop Stoning Forever Campaign has appealed, eleven of those defendants are women. According to Campaign activists, women are at a far greater risk of stoning because they are at far greater risk of being found guilty of adultery. The Iranian Penal Code, particularly Family Law, privileges men with regards to age of consent, divorce, polygamy, temporary marriages, child custody, and sexual rights. For instance, a married woman has no right to divorce, a privilege which is reserved for the husband. Furthermore, women have no custody rights of their children after infancy, so many women who can obtain a divorce by proving her husband is either abusive or an addict, chose not to do so because of the loss of their children. A man can marry up to four wives simultaneously, and may establish a sexual relationship with any other single woman through a temporary marriage (sigheh) without the requirements of marriage registration, ceremony, or obligation to any possible child that may result. In addition, a woman is legally obliged to submit to her husband’s sexual demands and do her best to satisfy him sexually (tamkin.) Hence if a man is sexually unsatisfied or in an unhappy relationship, he has many avenues open to him to dissolve the marriage and/or satisfy his sexual needs in a different marriage. At the same time, a woman has far fewer legal options open to her, often driven to adultery by these discriminatory laws limiting her sexual rights and status ...

<pdf available via: http://www.meydaan.com/english/default.aspx >
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:30 PM
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1. This is what a theocracy looks like
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:24 AM
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18. no, this:
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 01:29 AM by Hannah Bell
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:26 AM
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24. To be more specific , this is what Islamic Theocracy looks like .
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:08 PM
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39. Their theocracy is in bad company with some other backward nations:
2006 executions, per Amnesty International:

China 1010
Iran 177
Saudi Arabia 143
Pakistan 135
Iraq 65
USA 53
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:46 PM
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2. I Can't Wait For These Folks To Have Nuclear Weapons
That will totally rock, no?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:34 PM
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:37 PM
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8. I can't either. Perhaps then Israel or the U.S. can't act unilaterally to bomb, invade, etc at whim
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:19 PM
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40. Or we can just make sure that Republicans don't get elected again. :3 nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:37 PM
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7. She murdered her husband.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:49 PM
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10. Why did she murder him ? nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:34 AM
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12. the sentences for murder & adultery were handed down in the same trial,
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 12:34 AM by Hannah Bell
which would lead one to suspect the adultery & the murder (with the boyfriend's help) were related.

the headline: 'woman stoned for adultery' is misleading in the extreme.

now why don't you go worry about miscarriages of justice & torture in your own judicial system.

this is the 3rd "muslims bad to women" headline in the past couple of days, none of which were "as advertised".

beating the anti-muslim war bongos, someone is.
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:41 AM
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14. It's the usual pro-war liberals, on their civilizing crusade.
Oh, they've got bleeding hearts alright, but it's with the blood of others that they bleed.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 11:27 AM
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35. not much of a progressive thinker when it comes to womens rights...outside certain states
in the US are you ?

Know sufferage for the suffering.

unless it in the US job market :eyes:

holy fatwas bat man

thas some nice forward thinking there batty
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 11:22 AM
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34. you avoided my question. nice dodge
w h a t
d i d
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h u s b a n d
d o
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d e s e r v e
getting whacked by the better 1/2.



In Iran, as you know, prostittion is legal. A marriage by the hour under sharia laws exists.

this is the 3rd "muslims bad to women" headline in the past couple of days, none of which were "as advertised".



by your reply, I very much suspect you think adultery should also be punishable in the US the same way.

Why is that ?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:43 PM
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38. i smell burning straw.
she & her lover murdered the husband.

you assume he must have deserved it.

on what evidence - because you assume all muslim men are nasty wife-beaters?

how about the lover, then?

pfft.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:51 AM
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15. If I understand correctly, Iran typically does not stone for murder but for "adultery"
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 12:52 AM by struggle4progress
and then usually only women

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:00 AM
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16. seems you don't understand correctly, then, cheesenip.
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 01:08 AM by Hannah Bell
"In Iran, stoning as a punishment did not exist until 1983...Because of the large burden of proof needed to reach a guilty sentence of adultery, its penalty is hardly ever applicable.

Furthermore, while legally on the books, because of the enormity of both domestic and international controversy and outcry over stoning in the early years of the Islamic republic, the government placed official moratoriums on the punishment and, as a result, it was rarely practiced.

Nevertheless, much of the public was outraged that such a backward and tortuous ritual became instituted in the laws of their country. In 2002 Iran's judiciary indicated that stoning will no longer be practiced in Iran.<6> However, it continued...

In August 2008 the Global Campaign to Stop Killing and Stoning Women! announced that there were still at least eight women and one man sentenced to die by stoning for convictions of prostitution, incest and adultery.<8> Two were granted amnesty, two received reduced sentences of imprisonment and/or lashes and five cases are under review.<8><<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning



Why don't you go organize a nice campaign against US secret renditions & torture & let the people of Iran work on their own laws...they're doing quite a good job, whereas WE'RE NOT.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:22 AM
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17. The woman was sentenced to (1) hanging (for murder) and (2) stoning (for adultery)
Perhaps you could read the OP before responding
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:31 AM
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20. She & her lover murdered her husband, you think it had no impact
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 01:35 AM by Hannah Bell
on her receiving a sentence for stoning (passingly rare in iran)?

I, unlike the folks slinging invective, READ the OP. I also have a bit of knowledge re the ME, & friends who live there.


"there were still at least eight women and ONE MAN SENTENCED TO DIE BY STONING for convictions of PROSTITUTION, INCEST, and adultery.

Two were granted amnesty, two received reduced sentences of imprisonment and/or lashes and five cases are under review.<8>"


Do you see how this is a response to your contention that stoning is exclusive to female adulterers?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:41 AM
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21. Campaigning to end stoning in Iran (AI Jan 2008)
Eleven people in Iran - nine of them women - are waiting to be stoned to death on charges of adultery. Many have been sentenced after grossly unfair trials. Amnesty International has called on the country's authorities to immediately abolish this grotesque punishment, which is specifically designed to increase the suffering of its victims.

Iran's Penal Code prescribes execution by stoning as the penalty for adultery by married persons. It even dictates that the stones are large enough to cause pain, but not so large as to kill the victim immediately. Amnesty International is calling for urgent changes to Iranian law to ensure that no one can be sentenced to death for adultery, whether by stoning or any other means ...

Despite official claims that stonings have been halted - including a moratorium issued by the Head of the Judiciary in 2002 - several have taken place, with the latest only last year. Ja'far Kiani, a man, was stoned to death for adultery on 5 July 2007 in the village of Aghche-kand, near Takestan in Qazvin province. There are fears that Mokarrameh Ebrahimi, with whom he had two children, may suffer the same fate. She is in Choubin prison, Qazvin province, apparently with one of their children. A woman and a man are also known to have been stoned to death in Mashhad in May 2006.

The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women. Women are not treated equally with men under the law and by courts, and they are also particularly vulnerable to unfair trials because their higher illiteracy rate makes them more likely to sign confessions to crimes they did not commit ...

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/campaigning-end-stoning-iran-20080115
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:54 AM
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22. You said stoning was only for adultery & only for women. It's not.
You might just say, "Oh, I didn't know that," instead of ignoring it & posting the ai report like you're educating me.

I don't deny stoning occurs in Iran.

However, it is passingly rare, NOT TYPICAL.

There is an active women's movement in Iran.

There is a bigger difference between rural/urban literacy rates than male/female.

The OP was misleading.

The remarks following the OP were disgusting.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:15 AM
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23. I actually said neither of those: with respect to the second, I said "usually only women"
which appears to be accurate; with respect to the first, I merely indicated that stoning was not an indicated punishment for murder, as you can probably verify yourself by examining the Ta’azirat
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:12 AM
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25. you're right; my misreading/misinference.
per ai, 11 being held 1/08, 18% male. per wikipedia, some were subsequently pardoned or had their sentences reduced, & none of the sentences were carried out.

1 stoning execution in 2007.

2 in 2006.

= 3 in 3 years.


US deaths in iraq, 2007: 900
iraqis dead, 2007: no precise count, but many times more.

total deaths since the beginning of the phony war: over 1 million.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:18 AM
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26. To which one should add that, although it is disgusting when the little imperialists
are concerned about stoning in Iran but indifferent to the great crimes committed with their tax dollars, the person who is stoned in Iran suffers just as much, whether or not there are other dead in (say) Iraq: human rights abuses are always abuses against individual persons, and one ought not to be indifferent to the abuse, whether there are few or many victims
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:28 AM
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27. To which one should add; it is of course true that everyone involved suffers.
What is disgusting is when such "news" is made out to be typical practice of entire populations, groups, nations, ethnicities, religions...& used to demonize them for political purposes, e.g. to hype up war fever.

Particularly when the propagandists' own group, nation, ethnicity, religion is equally or more guilty of horrors.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:23 AM
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28. Agree 100%
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:09 AM
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30. If so, we may have achieved mutual understanding.
Precious & rare.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:19 PM
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36. No, the poster did NOT say "only", ever.
The words were "usually" and "typically".

You should consider how changing another poster's words to suit your argument reflects upon you.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:33 PM
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41. you might look at post 25, which was 11 & one day before your #36;
but thanks for your 2 cents.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:29 AM
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19. Yes, I agree that US secret renditions & torture have been a grave problem:
Arar Inquiry Continues
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=641157

Habib may seek compensation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1196265

CIA renditions of terror suspects are 'out of control:' report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1217433

Britain accused over CIA's secret torture flights
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1225683

EU governments complicit in shady CIA activities – investigator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2058494

Jordan accused of torturing suspects for U.S.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2408908

Rendition flights inquiry criticises Hoon (EU/UK)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2549730

Oregon Bar asks lawyer about mysterious jet owner
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2696107

Judge orders Spain to declassify CIA flight papers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2712057

Cleric’s lawyer says he had no access to files
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2712620

Lawyer rejects Oregon Bar attempt to produce plane owner (mystery man Bayard)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2720458

Ireland fails to sign UN treaty on renditions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2728244

Europe's terror chief in human rights warning
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2735029

UN panel questions Canada on deportation case
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2737840

Italy unlikely to press for extradition in CIA kidnapping case (Jurist)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2737793

US assured State that CIA flights never used Shannon (Ireland)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3397417

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:46 PM
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9. CODEPINK Women for Peace; blogging for a week from Iran
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 11:47 PM by ohio2007

snip

Reflecting on the days’ events, I was struck by how much more open Iran is than I had thought. Yes, we have to wear headscarves and long coats, but that seems so unimportant --although I must say that I feel very claustrophobic covering my head all day. (During lunch at the restaurant, Rostam told me I could take the scarf off, but about 20 minutes later some men came to complain.) I have been comparing the atmosphere here to that of Iraq under Saddam Hussein and here it is very different. People in Iraq were afraid to speak out against Saddam, people in Iran aren’t.

snip




http://codepinkdc.blogspot.com/2008/11/medeas-blog-day-1-iran-citizen.html



watch out for the Fashion police
It's best they don't write about such issues.......until after they get out.
I think the 29th was the last day in Iran.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:14 AM
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11. Yeah...because I'm sure Codepink would find it a better strategy to
write propaganda *then* tell the truth when they get out.
:eyes:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 11:09 AM
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33. and I'm sure you didn't even know they took a little trip until I posted the excerpt
you didn't find the irony between the lines I cut/pasted in what they wrote while there ? :wow:
Obviously, your not at all familiar with a female Canadian journalist that reported from Iran .

ponder this article that the mullahs will mull over a glass of fruit juice


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3623164&mesg_id=3623164
I wonder how receptive the theocracy will be to the latest appointments made to Obama's transition team ?

Maybe Barack can break the ice with a little gift;




http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6a_1209656657

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:36 AM
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13. "until after they get out" - oh, really? you think so?
pfft.
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:36 AM
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29. This makes me sick...
"In some cases, if a victim can escape from the ditch during the stoning, they will be freed. However, because women are buried up to their breasts and men only at their waists, women will have a smaller chance of escaping than men ..."

:banghead: Considering all that's happened lately, I think we are devolving.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 07:40 AM
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31. Sickening
www.stop-stoning.org

According to this organization, there are 36 countries where stoning is part of the penal code. In two, it has never in fact been carried out as a legal sentence; but its very existence has emboldened communities to stone people (almost always women) extra-judicially.

We should press for the abolition of this brutal punishment everywhere.

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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:59 AM
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32. Theocracy, torture, etc.....
Theocracies have no monopoly on intolerance, the death penalty, and torture. Governments have no monopoly on intolerance, the death penalty, and torture. Governmental theocracies have no monopoly on intolerance, the death penalty, and torture. Further, it may be noted that those who split hairs have no monopoly on their particular techniques.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:21 PM
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37. There's no better way to go, being stoned...
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