Obama to name Clinton secretary of state on Monday

[cal04]

Source: Associated Press

President-elect Barack Obama planned to nominate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as his secretary of state on Monday, transforming a once-bitter political rivalry into a high-level strategic and diplomatic partnership.

Obama will name the New York senator to his national security team at a news conference in Chicago, Democratic officials said Saturday. They requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly for the transition team.

To clear the way for his wife to take the job, former President Bill Clinton agreed to disclose the names of every contributor to his foundation. He'll also refuse donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Global Initiative, his annual charitable conference, and will cease holding C.G.I. meetings overseas.

Bill Clinton's business deals and global charitable endeavors were expected to create problems for the former first lady's nomination. But in negotiations with the Obama transition team, the former president agreed to several measures designed to bring transparency to his post-presidential work.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081130/ap_on_go_pr_wh/clinton_secretary_of_state

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Bill Clinton Is Said to Agree to Release Names of Donors
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/washington/30clinton.html?hp

[jrockford]

1. Yuck. nt

[Skarbrowe]

2. Think I'll just read some comments first.

:popcorn:

[LostinVA]

77. Quelle surprise

[flvegan]

3. GD: P will be epic Monday.

[niceypoo]

24. Yes, many will implode

Cant wait to watch the bigots make fools of themselves

[ima_sinnic]

26. "bigots"? yeah, I'm "bigoted" against dynasties and rule by corporatists

I'm "bigoted" against the status quo. I'm "bigoted" against the same old bush-crime pardoners coming back to keep the world safe from prosecution of war criminals.

so far, "change" has only been a nice campaign slogan that suckered millions of people. "buyer's remorse" doesn't begin to describe it.

[Robb]

53. So you would've preferred McCain then?

"Buyer's remorse." I love this place. :D

[ima_sinnic]

55. I would've preferred Kucinich. Obama was somewhere in my last choices, but

I, like a sucker, bought into his "change" mantra.

[LostinVA]

78. Dammit -- I'll be busy at work, too

[xchrom]

4. recommend

[frog92969]

5. I want my change!

Better than Condi though...I hope.:shrug:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

67. Are we sure she is better than Condi?

They have similar foreign policy that is for sure.

[Name removed]

79. Deleted message

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[spiritual_gunfighter]

86. I am not on the wrong board at all

I am a life long Dem. I question Hillary Clinton and her backers. And I also question if she is a Democrat. Her views are very Republicanish.

[LibDemAlways]

85. Hillary and Gates...Big changes

there all right. Most definitely not what I voted for.

[emilyg]

6. K

[Number23]

7. Bleah

Bleah, I say....

[BearSquirrel2]

8. Crappy choice ...

Yes, the heroine of Tusla will be Secretary of State. She had so much foreign policy experience that she just stopped talking about it after she got called.

No doubt this was part of a deal.

The flip side of this is that we may actually be nominating Bill Clinton to be Secretary of State. Hillary is just there to occupy the nameplate.

I think the tragedy here is that there are so many cabinet positions that Hillary WOULD be qualified for.

[madrchsod]

10. well it does keep her out of the country...LOL

[Zhade]

16. Thank you for remembering Tuzla. It will not be forgotten.

Lying about nonexistent sniper fire, when the video proves you lied, was just stupid on her part.

On the plus side, it probably helped her lose the primaries. So we should thank her for lying repeatedly.

[madrchsod]

9. the world can rest easy now.....

i`m not sure who is to blame.....

she may be a great sos but this crap for the last few weeks was a theater of the absurd.......

[Zhade]

17. ...unless you live in Iran and don't want to be obliterated.

NT!

[spiritual_gunfighter]

31. and

Unless you don't want to be race baited by her husband, if you aren't a Muslim "as far as she knows" and of course we all know what happened to Bobby in 1968.

[Hekate]

11. She'll be very good. And if she doesn't satisfy The Boss, she'll be out of a job.

I really do trust PE Obama's judgment. In addition to which, there have been a whole slew of other people whose judgment I respect who have praised the possibility of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State.

Hekate

[Stardust]

13. Especially Kissinger.

:mad:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

32. and every other Republican n/t

[Window]

37. I am with you on this Hekate.

I also believe that Bill's expertise will come in very handy for Hillary. These are, indeed, perilous times and we need the very best minds. I'm confident President-Elect Obama is surrounding himself with the best and the brightest.

Folks screaming "buyer's remorse," and "just more of the same" need to give the Obama admin a chance. If anyone thinks this is not change from the last eight years, well, I don't know what to tell them.

President-Elect Obama has publicly stated the people he chooses are to serve at his pleasure...and he is no pushover.

Peace:thumbsup:

[onehandle]

12. Great choice. Great team. Great President-Elect. nt

[No Passaran]

14. I agree

Great choice

[Zhade]

15. Well, if true, at least she'll have to take his orders.

NT!

[ACTION BASTARD]

101. Yep, if she doesn't want to end being the shorterst serving SOC, she'll shut her hole and Obey.

That's right Obey...or else.

[DeepModem Mom]

18. K&R!

[question everything]

19. Wonderful news!

The ones who don't like it: hey, at least it will give you a reason to stay on DU, to keep pouring your hatred instead of getting a life.

[byronius]

20. I'm fine with this. She'll be great.

Everybody on the bus. Barack's driving.

[jennied]

21. I neither like or dislike this choice.

[Seldona]

22. I'm fine with it.

Hell, compared to Miss Rice I feel like dancing. I am sure it has been laid out clearly who the boss will be here. I'm also cool with others expressing their dislike.

[excess_3]

23. celebrity members of cabinet .. big mistake n/t

[JDwho]

25. Great Choice.

So far, I've no reason to question the Pres. Elect. or his decisions. I hope she does a great job, but I do believe the flame throwers will be out and about Monday.

[ima_sinnic]

27. "change"--a meaningless campaign slogan that suckered millions

okay, go back to sleep. nothing really new is going to happen. we can happily settle back into the status quo of rule by corporations, folly wars in the Middle East, and total lack of interest in prosecuting war crmiinals, who will come back for their "turn" in 4 or 8 years.

[Zombie2]

29. .........

:nuke:

:cry:

[Dawgs]

52. He didn't pick her to be Prez, you putz.

Geez!! Is this the forum for 12 year olds and under?

[ima_sinnic]

56. he is filling his administration with retreads, PUTZ

duh--as if the president has sole say in anything. try 6th grade civics.

[Dawgs]

61. FAIL!!

The President DOES have sole say. Do you think these people (McCain, Hillary, Obama, etc.) would spend so much time campaigning if they were'nt going to have the final decision?

This isn't Dick Cheney and George Bush.

Plus, I trust Obama and the "retreads".

[spiritual_gunfighter]

99. You don't think as Secretary of State she won't influence foreign policy?

Now who is acting like the 12 year old?

[Individualist]

82. Precisely

It's pretty clear that DLC has succeeded in their goal of turning the Democratic Party into a subservient branch of the republican party. Some change, huh? :puke:

[Zombie2]

28. DLC

:puke:

Where's mah change?

[AllentownJake]

30. I swear there are alot of bitter people on here

Get the fuck over the primaries. I can't stand Ed Rendell but if Obama thought he was the best person for a job than I'd learn to live with it.

[ima_sinnic]

33. this has nothing to do with the "primaries"--it has to do with being bullshitted about "change"

with the DLC running things, and the Clinton administration re-created, where's the "change"?

[AllentownJake]

38. There are so many things wrong with your statement

of where is the "change" I can't even begin to fucking talk.

1st of all a return to Clinton era policies which is what we aren't going to would be a great change from the past 8 years. Obama is a moderate/liberal democrat who is a pragmatist. I'm sorry if your disapointed before he has enacted a single policy or even taken office. I don't know if you are aware of this the DLC is a part of the democratic party and therefore will have some seats at the table.

[ima_sinnic]

42. the DLC are nothing more than thinly disguised republicans

they are simply the flip side of blatant imperialism: just more subtle.
Don't forget, we have Bill Clinton to thank for NAFTA and the obsession with "free markets." He also swept Iran-Contra under the rug, leaving the traitors and war crminals free to infest our halls of government once again, as they have been doing since assassinating Kennedy in 1963, bugging the Watergate Hotel, selling arms to Iran and selling cocaine to fund death squads in Nicaragua and El Salvador, and lying to justify their atrocities in the Middle East.

Re-creating the Clinton administration is not "change." We are still being ruled by corporate interests first, humanity second.

on edit: oh, and by the way, don't forget the Clinton's love affair with Uribe in Colombia, the chainsaw murderer of union leaders. I'm soooo glad we're going to "change" our relationships with right-wing death squad leaders. Meanwhile, Chavez is demonized -- predictable, isn't it?

[AllentownJake]

46. I'm sorry Barack Obama

has implemented what fucking policy? Can you at least wait till January 21, 2009 to start your list of grievances.

[ima_sinnic]

57. it is easy to project, given his choices. the retreads will not be changing their corporate patronag

so I might as well start now. Where are the real progressives on his team? All I see are Clintonites--you know, "free traders," dealings with Colombia, profits over people, all that.

[AllentownJake]

59. He isn't going to be perfect

and there are many things he will do and not do that I will not like however, he is a giant leap forward from where we are now. Keep his feet to the fire but try to remember that if the other guy got elected. Things would get worse.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

34. I will continue to be bitter over this choice until she is fired. n/t

[ima_sinnic]

36. don't hold your breath. It's becoming obvious that the DLC is running things now (nt)

[Frank Cannon]

39. If the DLC is truly running things...

then we would have lost this election, the same way we did with heartbreaking regularity when they WERE really running things.

[ima_sinnic]

43. so they chilled some during the campaigning. big deal.

if you think we're going to "change" from their corporate rule, think again.

[JTFrog]

44. Tell all the dead Iraqi children to get over it asshole.

Tell the Iranians they have nothing to worry about from the "Obliterate them" SoS.

IWR
Kyl-Lieberman
Obliterate Iran
War speech that showed how they could get authorization to use force
Disregard for National Intelligence Estimate
DLC Mega-corporatist agenda
WFRA



That's the beginning of a hell of a list of things that bother me about Senator Clinton. Toss in Bill and the list goes on for days.

None of those things have a fucking thing to do with the primaries now do they?

[AllentownJake]

45. So I guess you want to tar and feather

John Kerry, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Chriss Dodd, Tom Daschle, Zell Miller, Harry Reid etc...

Last I checked...the SOS can't authorize a military strike

[JTFrog]

48. The only person on your list I might would stand up for is John Kerry. Nice sidestep tho. n/t

[AllentownJake]

50. We can all afford to be self righteous and say we wouldn't work with certain people

Obama has to govern and he believes in the constitution. Therefore, he needs to work with the senators in his own party. No matter how flawed they are. Taking Hillary as SOS gives him a respected person to send as an emissary and negotiator and earns him political capital with people in the party he needs to get his agenda passed.

[JTFrog]

84. Still sidestepping. Admit it, people have legitimate concerns that have nothing to do with primary

rehash.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

100. It has nothing to do with the Primary

Although it is good insight into what kind of person she is. What it has everything to do with is her foreign policy views which is just to the left of Henry Kissinger. Doesn't this now give Obama the support for increased war with Afghanistan, and possibly Iran?

[ima_sinnic]

49. the SOS can lie to the world about the "need" for invasion and occupation ... er, "preemptive war"

against sovereign nations that are no threat to us except for their inclination to want their own resources for their own people.

this type of skill will be very handy for Obama's folly in Afghanistan.

[AllentownJake]

51. Afghanistan isn't pre-emptive war

The attack on us actually originated there. Now if Chimpy would have put resources there instead of our folly in Iraq, we'd be dealing with very different economic and international times right now.

I don't know if his statement I'd bomb Pakistan if I had intelligence was an indication on what he would do as President or not. It was to me. I took him at his word.

[ima_sinnic]

54. just because "they originated there" (according to YOU) does not excuse

bombing, murder, rape, looting, plunder and mayhem. We need police actions, which were successful in bringing the first WTC bombers to justice. The whole "attack on us" has been hyped and manipulated to the point that it is a one-excuse-fits-all and phony justification for imposing our imperialist, greedy, inhumane ambitions on the rest of the world.

[AllentownJake]

58. Well Al Gore would have probably

invaded the country as well as would any other democrat capable of being elected to the Presidency. However, the invasion would have been carried out much differently.

I'd like to believe that military occupation under Obama would be alot differnt than under Bush and his thugs. Doubt there would be as many black hawk and Haliburton operatives there if Obama or Al Gore ordered the invasion.

[JVS]

73. There could be worse decisions than tarring and feathering them.

[Stuckinthebush]

64. Ignore them

There are very few of them. They are just vocal.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

65. No there are a lot of us

You will really see us when she is announced tomorrow.

[Stuckinthebush]

69. No, the few will be really loud

The pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth will commence but will die down fast. Odds are that it will be a fabulous pick by Obama on many levels.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

74. On what levels will the pick be fabulous?

Please tell me, is it fabulous that our future SOS has gone on record calling for the obliteration of Iran? Is it fabulous that our future SOS supported Kyl/Lieberman? Not to mention her vote on the use of force in Iraq, a decision she never said was a mistake. Is it fabulous that our future SOS ran a filthy campaign against our President-Elect using vague race baiting. Saying he wasn't a Muslim "as far as I know", inferring that there was a possibility that Obama could be assassinated like Bobby Kennedy in 1968. Not to mention that her and her husband have been literally bought and sold by corporate interests. This is a disgraceful pick for SOS and I am hoping against hope that Obama comes to his senses before tomorrow, but I am not holding my breath.

edit for content

[Stuckinthebush]

83. She is respected in the world

and is an incredibly talented and intelligent person. Obama is picking a magnificent team.

There are a lot of things I don't like about Sen. Clinton but as a member of the Obama administration she will advance Obama's agenda. I'm very ok with having a brilliant, articulate, cagey, fighter as Obama's SOS.

[Zombie2]

dope

[Zombie2]

68. I will NEVER get over the primaries...

BTW, Hillary was the one making Lemons out of Lemonade... she got real nasty when she started to lose. It was disgusting, to say the least... but we all already know that story... but this has little to do with the primaries.

She's DLC and she voted for the bombing and occupation of innocent Iraqis. That's enough for me.

[AllentownJake]

70. Would you be happy with John Kerry?

How about Zell Miller?

[Zombie2]

71. Nope.... and Nope.

At one time I thought I would be Happy with Kerry... but not so much these days. (still, would have been better than Bush in '04)

[AllentownJake]

75. Well we can't always get what we want

[Zombie2]

76. So true!

I don't live in Hawaii... nor do I have a lifesize unicorn made of chocolate for me to sit upon and eat whilst in the nude. :cry:

Actually, all I'd really like is medical care (I have teeth rotting out of my face... I know I'm a zombie and all, but still) and to be able to afford to feed my family. Mainly just basic stuff like that.

[LostinVA]

80. Then you probably need to leave DU -- as per Skinner, you HAVE to be over the Primararies

At least publicly.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

98. What is with all this "you need to leave DU garbage"

Were you saying the same thing when people on DU were savaging Nancy Pelosi? What about Joe Lieberman? Aren't they Democrats? According to you since they are Democrats we shouldn't disagree with them and if we do then "you need to leave DU". No, only when it is your precious Hillary do you throw the DU rule book in peoples faces. Hillarites can't stand that some people disagree very much with her views on foreign policy and the way she ran her primary campaign. You think it is no longer relevant, but with the pick for SOS it just became relevant again.

[Maven]

95. Tell us

Whose "zombie" are you, hmm?

:hi:

[MrSlayer]

35. I've never been a Hillary fan but I'm not afraid of her having the position.

I do think she is smart enough and capable enough to handle this portfolio. Whatever anyone thinks of her personally, there is no question on her work ethic and ability. I think she will throw herself into this job and cover every detail with her legendary tenacity and single mindedness. Let's see what they can do.

[Frank Cannon]

40. Me neither. I think a lot of the sturm und drang is concern trollership.

I think Hillary will do a fine job. Despite the feelings of many people in this country, she and her husband are still popular around the world. We need that.

[MrSlayer]

41. Certainly.

All this ludicrous fear of the Clintons undermining Obama for her own benefit is silly. She is a very serious person and will take the job as seriously as anyone ever has.

[ima_sinnic]

47. regarding dealings with right-wing deathsquad Uribe: how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

[atimetocome]

60. Good choice PE Obama. She will do the USA proud.

[kevinds13]

62. This thread reminds me of an LBJ quote

"You know the difference between Liberals and Cannibals? Cannibals don't eat their friends."

You guys need to show me what policy CHANGE he's enacted yet...oh wait, he's not President yet. You cynics are getting ridiculous.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

66. When has Hillary Clinton ever been a liberal? n/t

[LostinVA]

81. As I said upthread -- I think you're on the wrong board

She has always been a Liberal on social issues.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

87. Yes you are right

She has been on social issues, and I applaud her for that. She is a hawk and in my mind and many others on this board not exactly a liberal when it comes to foreign policy. I am not attacking her or her supporters, but I think it is a valid point that should be discussed now that she is going to have one of the most important jobs in the Obama admin.

[DerekG]

93. Who gives a crap if she's liberal on social issues?

She's gonna be Secretary of State. I don't care what her position on gay marriage or abortion is; I care if she has a hankering to bomb brown people.

Obliteration? God help us.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

96. Exactly

You are absolutely correct, her stance on social issues means shit at this point. She is a big time hawk on foreign policy and that means lots of trouble for us.

[Stuckinthebush]

63. Excellent!

Great move by Obama.

[Synicus Maximus]

72. Have they worked out a Saxby fix?

Does anyone know if they have worked out a Saxby fix for her yet?

[DeepModem Mom]

88. Bill Clinton to Name Donors to Foundation as Part of Obama Deal

Source: NYT, Page One

Former President Bill Clinton has agreed to disclose publicly the names of more than 200,000 donors to his foundation as part of an accord with President-elect Barack Obama that clears the way for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to become secretary of state, Democrats close to both sides said on Saturday.

Mr. Clinton has kept his contributor list secret, as permitted under federal law, but he decided to publish it to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest with Mrs. Clinton’s duties as the nation’s top diplomat, said the Democrats, who insisted on anonymity to discuss the agreement with Mr. Obama’s team. Mr. Obama plans to announce Mrs. Clinton’s nomination on Monday, according to advisers.

The disclosure of contributors is among nine conditions that Mr. Clinton signed off on during discussions with representatives of Mr. Obama; all go beyond the requirements of law. Among other issues, he agreed to incorporate his Clinton Global Initiative separately from his foundation so that he has less direct involvement. The initiative, which promotes efforts to fight disease, poverty and climate change, would no longer hold annual meetings outside of the United States or accept new contributions from foreign governments.

Mr. Clinton also agreed to submit his future personal speeches and business activities for review by State Department ethics officials and, if necessary, by the White House counsel’s office.

The former president’s web of business and charitable activities raised questions about how he could continue to travel the world soliciting multimillion-dollar contributions for his foundation and collecting six-figure speaking fees for himself from foreign organizations and individuals while his wife conducted American foreign policy.

Lawyers for Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama spent days crafting the agreement in hopes of addressing any concerns about Mr. Clinton’s activities. He had previously said he would do whatever the Obama transition team asked in order to make it possible for his wife to serve without questions. Mr. Obama’s team said it was satisfied that the concessions Mr. Clinton made should defuse any potential controversy. Until Saturday, only some elements of the agreement had become public....

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/washington/30clinton.html?ref=todayspaper

[DesertFlower]

89. bill really wants

hillary to be SOS.

[Poll_Blind]

91. They're desperate to remain politically-relevant, and that's not meant as a pejorative.

  It's telling how much Bill is willing to give up, as far as his freedoms go, so that Hillary can proceed towards getting the post. She certainly deserves it, given his behavior in the relationship in the past.

PB

[DesertFlower]

92. i agree. nt

[spiritual_gunfighter]

97. So he can influence Obama's foreign policy n/t

[BlooInBloo]

90. Rock on.

[llmart]

94. Terrific choice.....

Make no mistake - Obama needed the Clintons support and he got it.

I can't wait to see freepers heads explode. I think they're all misogynists.