Kerry to answer sex affair claim (Polier's Parents Respond To Claims)

[Khephra]

Kerry to answer sex affair claim
By New York Correspondent PHILLIP COOREY
February 14, 2004

snip.................

At the centre of the allegations is Alex Polier, 24, who had worked as a New York-based reporter for Associated Press. She now is now in Kenya.

Her parents, Donna and Terry, speaking from Malvern, Pennsylvania yesterday, said there was no evidence of an affair, only that Senator Kerry may have been attracted to their daughter.

Mr Polier said Senator Kerry had called his daughter "two or three years ago" to ask her to work on his re-election team. She declined.

"I think he's a sleaze-ball," Mr Polier told London's Sun newspaper.

Mrs Polier claimed Senator Kerry was "after" her daughter.

more.....................

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8673603%255E401,00.html

[Hav]

1. ....

oh dear...

[democrat in Tallahassee]

9. the parents said there was no affair; you guys can't read or

hear? There is no story here. I thought Kerry handled it just right. He's not going to get caught in a lie; I believe him and I think it is a dead story.

[Cheswick2.0]

18. why would she tell her parents if she was screwing a married man?

That is not something your parents would know about. If it is not true why did she leave the country at Kerry's urging?

[coralrf]

64. Kerry's urging...

can you link to a non Drudge source to that "urging"..you really should substantiate such a claim.

[papau]

97. Ms Heinz-Kerry years ago told us her response to adultery

Ms Heinz-Kerry, widow of Pennsylvania Senator John Heinz who was killed in an air crash in 1991, is known for her outspoken views.

She once told Elle magazine that she had warned her first husband on the subject of adultery: "If you ever get something, I'll maim you. I won't kill you. I'll maim you."

[JPace]

112. Does this mean we will have a President

with a limp?

[papau]

114. LOL

:-)

[dax]

106. How about they had been working together and he didnt want THIS to happen

I would think he (Kerry) was trying to protect the woman from any "raking by the likes of Drudge- if they worked together or went to dinner or had any contact it would be blown up regardless of the nature- The woman is a reporter and left the country-big deal. That does not prove or imply anything at all. Her parents could be speculating as well and nothing she could say would change that. I was active in political organizations at a very young age (like 15) and whenever I went anywhere and had any interaction with an older man my parents "assumed" automatically that the man was a sleaze-ball (notwithstanding that some of them WERE sleazeballs) In fact, some of the men I worked with that my parents thought were true gentleman, were the real sleazeballs.

[LiberalFighter]

116. I thought I read that she was on her honeymoon

and she was a former reporter.

[progressivebydesign]

52. And I'm sure ALL of us have discussed our sex life with our folks.

I'm not saying he did or didn't. But please... is our allegience to the Democrats so strong that we suspend all common sense. Do you really think at 20 year old girl would tell her parents she was boffing a 58 year old man.. a man they already hate? I'm the parent of a 20 year old girl.. she tells us everything.. except the sex stuff. Be reasonable before you ask everyone to step in line behind you. I'll await further details... thank you.

[0007]

80. Hey Dad, I bagged a 63 year old women. She was old but firm.

A Lenny Bruce joke.

[Name removed]

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[coralrf]

65. Oh dear...

or do you mean..please please please...!!!!

It's an Australian newspaper link..that bases the story entirely on the Drudge post. There is nothing new here.

All you good Democrats that want so dearly to see another Liberal trashed by the Rove/Drudge panty sniffing club may have to wait. But if you try real hard as the song goes:" you might get what you need".

Wouldn’t it be fun for all the Anti-Kerrys to see him trashed ala Bill Clinton and Bush back for 4 years. Damn..that would be awesome now wouldn’t it!!!!
Edit for rant spelling

[Hav]

109. no

Oh dear in response to the way the parents described Kerry that totally made clear what they think of him, no matter whether this story is true or not.
I'm not a Kerry basher,find one post of me where I trashed him,where I stated that I believe this story or any of that kind.Or find me a post where I trashed a democratic politician.
You better control your temper as your are totally wrong in the interpretation of my 2 words "oh dear".Next time you better ask for clarification.
"All you good Democrats" better think twice when you attack like-minded people and your fellow Democrats, isn't it that what you want yourself and what is sadly missing on these boards during the Primaries?

[leQ]

2. kerry denied it flatly on imus this morning

end of story.

on edit: sorry, duped: DU Thread

[jmoss]

4. you know better than that...

......it's NOT the end of a story like this--true or false.

[zanana]

49. Do you remember SHANDRA LEVY'S parents?

They were on television every day, practically accusing Condit of having murdered their daughter. It ruined him, and when her body was found in the park where she had been jogging, nobody even said "Oops--sorry about that."

[joeunderdog]

91. "recently fled the country, reportedly at the prodding of Kerry"

Wait, the parents think he's a sleazeball and they think their daughter might too. ....But she agreed too leave her country, her culture and her belongings to go to Kenya while Kerry campaigns?


I just find it hard to believe that a politician whose worst characteristic (in my mind) is that he is completely calculated in everything he says and everything he does would do something like this, especially on the heels of the Clinton fiasco.

Haven't seen this on TV tonight.

[Spentastic]

5. Er?

I deny lots of stuff. I've done some of it.

[underpants]

3. Aw man you mean the tool in the fedora was wrong?

[Name removed]

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[qanda]

7. Please God

Let Kerry fess up and drop out before it's too late.

[liberalnurse]

20. If there is one breath of truth to this.....

he better withdraw.....He will take our Party down and hand it to *bush if he tries to wiggle out of it. He needs to come clean or on 60 minutes state that this story is a fictiouss lie. That is is 100% false.

Look at Clinton and Condit.......we don't need the toiltet flushed again.

:hurts:

[FlaGranny]

33. Fess up?

Do you have some knowledge or evidence that this is true, or is the mere fact of accusation proof enough?

[coralrf]

78. Granny...

there are folks in the world that think the best way to get rid of someone SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU is to stick a grenade under their chair and wait for the snuff.

I agree with what you are thinking right now.

[coralrf]

67. Why would you say that..

do you WANT it to be true..just like Rove. Can you FEEL the healing!!! Bush is getting better all the time. There is no reason to give this scandal AUTOMATIC credibility just because it attacks a Democrat. Any DU'er that does so is quite foolish. There is no reason to strengthen your common enemy just because one of your team members is not so hot.

Think about it.

[coralrf]

74. GOD already said..

that it was Bush in a landslide...dont offend Him with such sacrilegious blasphemy ..he does not like Democrats. Ask Drudge or Pat.

[rodbarnett]

8. Where there is Smoke........There is Fire

n/t

[salin]

10. except of course... the Arkansas Project, the GOP, and the media

make smoke...

They tried to make smoke out of Vince Foster's suicide,
Out of a supposed African American "love child" by Pres. Clinton,
and numerous other stories.

I just can't subscribe to "where there is smoke" any more... to easy for the rightwingsmearmachine to start up their pyrotechnic machines to create it out of thin air.

[rodbarnett]

15. If this is true.......It proves intent.......

"I think he's a sleaze-ball," Mr Polier told London's Sun newspaper.

Mrs Polier claimed Senator Kerry was "after" her daughter.

It seems to me Kerry had intentions of "hooking up" with Miss Polier or at least her parents thought so.

If I'm not mistaken he was married during this time frame. How many other 24 year old girls turned down his advances. Hence my "smoke and fire" reference.

[0rganism]

88. "other 24 year old girls"

> How many other 24 year old girls turned down his advances

Well, I don't know of any. DO YOU? I'm quite sure drudge will invent some if he can't find any.

Hey, if the Gropinator can win in California, I think Kerry can survive this minor shitstorm.

[LiberalFighter]

117. Too bad we don't report for a major newspaper or tv

and report that Matt Drudge was having sex with young boys.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. yes they made up Monica Lewisnky too.... er

oh wait, that was true even though Clinton denied it. Truth is, some rumors are true and some are not. We will have to wait and see on this one. I for one found his denial less than convincing.

[Walt Starr]

24. Yes, it was a non-denial denial

Those are the worst sorts of denials. A lot of politicians use them as kneejerk reactions too when something is blatantly false, but this non-denial denial didn't quite sit right.

[ithacan]

45. and please DON'T forget McCain in South Carolina!!!!

Remember what Rove did to McCain in South Carolina before the Republican primary???

Remember, these guys will resort to ANYTHING when they feel threatened.

[Jackpine Radical]

94. Where there's smoke there's...

Republicans trying to start a fire.

[DemNoir]

19. Where there is smoke....

There is a always a useful idiot that cant wait to inhale deeply.

[coralrf]

71. Where is the smoke?

I see some bullshit..but no smoke...

[LiberalFighter]

126. You can see the smoke...

but not the bullshit until it is too late.

dog doodoo in a bag on a doorstep.. lite the bag.. guy opens door and sees bag burning... guy steps on bag... surprise

[Dogmudgeon]

23. Smoke?

As in "blowing smoke up someone's ass" ... ?

I want see some evidence. I want to see charges files and replied to. And I want someone to give me odds that the object of his alleged desire is either a Republican smear victim or a Republican recruit, so I can lay my money down.

--bkl

[leesa]

53. Who cares about an affair. Means nothing compared to the real issue

which is the Bush Crime Family commiting treason and war crimes. WHY do Dems ALWAYS fall for this BS?

Do NOT let the GOP media sidetrack you from Bush's treason.

GOP certainly doesn't give a shit about it. The self-righteous Fundies don't even care except that they can pretend to be better than someone which is what really gets their rocks off.

[Tinoire]

107. Means alot when compared to lying about have been "misled" about the war

even though Scott Ritter personally sent you evidence to the contrary.

[coralrf]

79. Where there is shit...

there is an asshole....

Damn aint we smart!!!!!!!

[Redleg]

99. Hogwash.

EOM

[Hotler]

11. From what I read at the link

the story seems weak, need more facts.

[lancdem]

12. Why did her parents give an interview to the Sun?

A tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch? Just curious.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

13. Yeah. The Sun. Not a quality newspaper, often in court for libel cases

Not the most reliable of sources.

[SpiralHawk]

17. The Sun is a Ruper Murdoch paper. Need I say more

Can you spell F-a-u-x news?

[trogdor]

14. That's an easy one.

COLD HARD CASH.

[lancdem]

16. I might take their comments more seriously

if they were in an AP story, for instance.

[Cooley Hurd]

44. It's telling that this has only been picked up by RW news sources

...and NewsCorp.

Drudge said, "TIME magazine, ABC NEWS, the WASHINGTON POST, THE HILL and the ASSOCIATED PRESS" were all covering this. Well, it's been 24 hours and the only source we've heard from is Drudge and NewsCorp.

However, I think Kerry did a piss-poor job refuting the charge this morning on Imus. He should state, "at no time have I cheated on my wife, Teresa, and how dare you insinuate such a thing!" That would (presumably) put it to rest...

[Braden]

48. actually drudge said

investigations are underway at Time Magazine, ABC News, WP, The Hill and the Associated Press, where she worked.

in other words those news organizations werent pursuing the story so much as determining if she had worked for them directly. He used the names to lend credibility but he was merely implying that she had worked for those organizations.

[sendero]

22. All I can say is...

... I'm willing to believe Mr. Kerry, but he better be telling the truth. We just cannot stand another of these stupid sex scandals. If he did do it and it is proven, he will not get elected and I will never forgive him.

[Yupster]

27. If true, and he admits and apologizes

it will be gone in a few days. If true and he doesn't come clean, then he's in trouble.

[sendero]

that is my point precisely...

... he is denying. His denials better be true or he is done for. And he will effectively kill any chance for a Dem to win in Nov.

I could care less if he diddled someone, but he better be telling the truth - the country has "indiscretion compassion fatigue" and I have no doubt this single issue will sink him if it is true.

[Muddleoftheroad]

32. Not now

He's already denying it. If he says he did it now, he's lied and then doubledback.

And, of course, if the parents ARE right and he was pursuing their daughter, who else's daughter did he pursue?

I just hope it's all BS.

[onehandle]

25. I find it very interesting that Bush was in Pennsylvania yesterday. nt

[Khephra]

26. I agree that the Sun is a sucky source, but

if her parents are willing to talk out about him, well, you can probably bet they'll do it in another source soon.

FOR COMPARISON, here is the original quotes in the Sun article:

---

Her mother Donna claims Kerry, 60 — dubbed the new JFK — once chased Alex to be on his campaign team and was “after her”.

There is no evidence the pair had an affair, but her father Terry, 56, said: “I think he’s a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn’t get that kind of feeling herself.

“He’s not the sort of guy I would choose to be with my daughter.”

Terry, of Malvern, Pennsylvania, added: “John Kerry called my daughter and invited her down to Washington two or three years ago.

“He invited her to be on his re-election committee. She talked to him and decided against it.”

more...........

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004071162,00.html

[SheilaT]

28. The denial I'd most believe

would be one from the young lady herself.

What her parents say doesn't mean a lot, although if they were aware Kerry was attracted to her, that says a lot.

There were many, many things I never told my parents. Especially when I was in my 20s.

[Bragi]

55. As a father of a young woman

I think any man who pays the slightest attention to my daughter is a malicious sleezebag axe-murderer with lust in his heart.

Naturally, she pays no attention to my concerns. If I went to the media with my concerns, she would not consider me an expert witness on the subject.

- B

[Nlighten1]

29. There is no evidence BUT.....

that isn't going to stop us from smearing JFK now is it?

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[coralrf]

69. Cannot do that anymore " my friends"

I used to send ya money but you don't seem to like me much so I give it elsewhere. Whats with the not answering E mails? Being banned for using the word "crap"? Yup Yup Yup...do you think I should give?

[Enraged_Ape]

31. Kerry could have had a Crisco party with Jenna Jameson...

and the cast of Friends, for all I care. How many U.S. soldiers and private citizens would it have killed?

[tibbiit]

36. So correct me... hasnt he undergone successful treatment

for Prostate cancer over the past few years?
And people think he is out fooling around?
geezus
Have we not endured terror alert after terror alert when things go tough for the shurb? So yesterday was very bad for the boy, so we have the Kerry wag the dog, and... didnt they rasise the terror alert to ORANGE again yesterday? So it was like a two-fer necessary special to overcome all the bad news for bush.
This is bullshit.
tib

[regnaD kciN]

76. To answer your question...

How many U.S. soldiers and private citizens would it have killed?

...my answer would be, "Several thousand less than the same candidate's 'yes' vote on the IWR did."

:grr:

[Eurobabe]

34. such drivel

now we are going skewer someone because they may have been *attracted* to someone?

it's a wonder to me why anyone would want to serve such an ungrateful public.

[JPace]

35. You can bet the repugs will track down this young woman....

no matter where she is. The validity of any story
will depend on what SHE says, not what the dreaded
drudge says.

Hopefully it is not true...but even if there is some
truth to it Kerry's team can get him through it just
as Clinton was able to get through Gennifer Flowers
and still get elected.

If this is the worst the GOP can throw at Kerry...
I am not worried.

[bushisanidiot]

39. Rove Will Pay Her Whatever it takes to make the story "true"

this is how the repukes operate. they know they can't win on the issues.. they have to troll for trash and make up trash to "win".

propaganda is rove's game.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

42. They couldn't buy Jessica Lynch, remember.

They're not omnipotent. If they were, no one would be talking about AWOL.

[GinaMaria]

57. they almost had her

Larry Flint maybe helped keep her honest?

[ithacan]

46. forget about pay, he'll threaten!!

these guys are nasty.

If they have to they'll resort to all kinds of threats for the woman at a minimum to remain silent. I hope she stays off of small planes.

[JPace]

58. Remember Susan McDougal?

they could not buy her...God bless her.

[loyalsister]

102. The Gennifer Flowers scandal was pre- Starr report.

Sex scandals are something ominous. A sort of sign of potential bad behavior to come. A sex scandal is a totally different kind of taint now. Now I don't think that many if any could have been the come back kid.

[zanana]

37. For the first time, I'm DISGUSTED with DU!

I realize that there are many of us who do not particularly care for John Kerry, and wish that Howard Dean was in the lead. But there's no excuse for the hypocrisy I'm seeing on this site today. When Republicans accuse a Democrat of having an affair, it's just silly and mean, but it's OK for you guys to do it? You sound like a bunch of old ladies gossiping after church. It makes me sick.

[Muddleoftheroad]

38. He already has been accused

We didn't put this story into play. Do you expect us to ignore it?

[yellowcanine]

77. But many are discussing the rumor as if it were true. That is wrong.

Rumor mongering is wrong even if you don't like the candidate. You can discuss how Kerry should handle it but there has been a lot of rampant speculaton based on the premise that the "story" is true. Without any reliable sources, the assumption should be that it is false and it should be discussed in that light.

[LiberalFighter]

127. That is right... especially considering the source...

and no backup to support the story.

[JNelson6563]

43. The rest of the political world will talk about it

Maybe you could slap your hands to your ears repeatedly while yelling "I can't hear you!" again and again.

Besides, as Dems do we need another candidate who we have to fear "bimbo eruptions" from?

Julie

[zanana]

47. "Bimbo eruptions"

You don't think Howard Dean, or any other candidate, for that matter, can be accused of having an affair? As long as he has "D" after his name, it'll happen. Now, you've joined with the "R"'s in attacking the leadidng "D". Thanks alot. With voters like you, who needs enemies?

[physaf]

60. You've said it straight here

We really can't afford to fear "bimbo eruptions" this year. Kerry does not have any hope of being able to parry those the way Clinton did.

[TheDonkey]

62. The rest od the political world ISN'T talking

about this crap. only DU and Drudge.

Let it go.

[TexasPatriot]

87. well... i saw it at lunch nationally

and again on my local news as 'the' story in the campaign coverage for the day...

at this point, because Kerry hasnt said 'this is a lie' the press is going to run with it as if its true. Mainstream media loves an infidelity story - even if its unsubstantiated.

"This Is A Lie." not 'theres nothing to report..' - that sounds like a dodge. Clear and Concise - maybe even package it in a slam on Bush's AWOL story - turn the tables.

[yellowcanine]

68. Me too - but you disrespect "old ladies gossiping after church"

I am sure they would never read Drudge much less comment on what he "reports."

[GRClarkesq]

40. The hunt for bimbos will increase

If he chased one maybe there are more? (media thinking)

[reprobate]

41. This won't fly. The people just don't care

After clinton and what the reichwing did to him, people just don't care about that. It just might even backfire on them.

[blm]

50. And further, they're messing with the guy who SAW the classified BCCI info

and IranContra evidence that Poppy Bush was able to keep out of the public eye.

I don't think BushInc. REALLY wants to play gotcha with Kerry. If they had really damaging info they would have funnelled it to the Dean campaign a month ago.

[Sterling]

125. So why hasn't he done anything already?

That is one of y biggest beefs with Kerry is the lack of results he got when prosecuting the BFEE minions.

[SammyWinstonJack]

98. I could NOT care less

Gees Louise! And how come it's always lies when it's about bush* and the absolute TRUTH when it's about ANY Democrat? I'm not taking the bait!

[leesa]

51. Why do Democrats always fall for GOP crotch sniffing?

Do not dignify it with a response. They don't and they have affairs all the time.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

54. Doesn't rise to the level of "thin gruel"

We know that Kerry asked her to work on his reelection campaign and she declined. If she was a reporter, it could be that she wanted to keep pursuing that career rather than becoming a flak for a politician (good for her!).

The rest of this story amounts to the parents making unsubstantiated claims that Kerry was "after" their daughter. I'll bet any comers $100 that if you looked up the parents' voting records, they're probably Bush supporters -- that's assuming that they ever made the statement attributed to them in the first place.

[alfredo]

130. "After her" could mean for employment on his campaign.

I had a CIA recruiter after me, not for sex, but as a potential employee.

[Mountainman]

59. This will give the freepers a reason for living

You can bet the freepers will try and make a Gary Condit out of Kerry. This kind of BS is the real reason the sight exists. It was first set up to attack Clinton. Stories like these are red meat for the knuckle dragging cave dwellers in freeperville.

[pfitz59]

61. Carter felt "lust in his heart"!

Men are attracted to pretty women (and sometimes other men) all the time. IT IS HUMAN NATURE! IT IS AN IMMUTABLE FORCE, LIKE GRAVITY. Are we to outlaw gravity? We know Kerry likes beuatiful women, he married Heinz! Where is the crime? (Thousands die under the Repuke heel, yet let one Dem even glance at a girl...WHOAAAA!) I say sling the mud back in Drudge's ugly face!

[Vogon_Glory]

63. So Senator Kerry Lusted After Ms. Polier In His Heart?!?!?

So Senator Kerry lusted after Alex Polier in his heart, there was no consumated tryst, and no dead intern in his office?

This is supposed to be a story?

[PATRICK]

66. Asking some meaner questions

What political affiliations do the Poliers have? (This is what you get for talking to the news, after all.) Kenya? I seem to remember a recent release by Polier to AP on a topic other than Africa. of course you can get WH talking points from Antarctica just as well.

I might be wrong and I just threw away the newspaper I think, but she is one of the several recent AP newsline reporters that have shaded things the WH way enough to make my blood boil. That is more interesting to me than any third rate gossip.

[JPZenger]

73. Old Saying in Politics

The old saying in politics is: As long as our candidate isn't found in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, we're OK.

[scarface2004]

111. just saw the photos...

lusting in my heart now!

[JPZenger]

70. Sex Scandals are the Opiate of the Masses

Anyone remember what was going on the last time the country was obsessed with a sex scandal between two consenting adults? Al Quada busy was planning Sept. 11th, including planting a number of terrorists in the U.S. and sending them to flight schools.

[wabeewoman]

72. Folks, this could be a very good thing.

If it isn't true which I have to assume it isn't(Kerry denies, no evidence but parents who may be repugs) it just shows the republican party for what it is. Then everytime they bring something up, we say, oh, you mean like the Kerry/intern smear. People are wise to this administration. If they try to take Kerry down on a lie, it'll be exposed as a lie and just confirm what many people think-this administration lies about everything for its own political purpose.

[LiberalFighter]

128. And there has not been any news supporting the statement...

that the parents are repugs.

[ieoeja]

75. You have GOT to be kidding me?

I got a message from a friend earlier today and responded, "who cares?" I think we have had ample evidence that the US public simply does not care about our politician's sex lives. But then I read The Sun article.

Nobody even claims this had anything whatsoever to do with sex. The Sun exploded the two words "after her" into a sexual headline, but that is it.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

81. About The Sun. During the Falklands Conflict, the UK enforced a

Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falklands. British Forces attacked and sank an aging Argentinian Cruiser outside of this zone, the General Belgrano. It had not been anywhere near the Falklands and contained a large number of teenage Cadets out of its full complement of around 1200. The ship sank, with 850 dead.
The Sun's headline?

http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/gotcha1.htm
"GOTCHA"

and later "BRITAIN 6, ARGENTINA 0"

Because war is no more than a football game.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

82. The Sun is a Nazi Murdoch Rag. Of course, to Nazi's....

life is meaningless unless it's their own.

:puke:

[Screaming Lord Byron]

83. I'd better not get started about The Sun. I have years of built-up rage

from papers like it. I can name dozens of bullshit hatchet jobs The Sun has pulled on people, from Elton John and Boy George to Tony Benn and (former boxer) Frank Bruno.

[LiberalFighter]

85. They are sick.. what a rag

[Undemcided]

101. I disagree with the heading

But the Belgrano was a legitimate target in a time of war.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

104. We could argue that point, but that isn't the point. 'Gotcha' is the point

[Undemcided]

123. More here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/812146.stm

[MacCovern]

113. Just to be accurate....

The total was 323 dead on Belgrano, NOT 850 dead.
In fact, Argentina didn't have a total of 850 deaths in the entire Falkland's conflict.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

115. Really? I'm quoting. I couldn't testify to the true figures.

[hyphenate]

84. You know

This is a mighty sick country when there is no penalty for lying and corruption as blatant as that of this misadministration, and people get all fired up about sex scandals. It shows that our priorities are not very straight.

For crying out loud, Janet Jackson's boob raised more of an outcry than anything that's been said or done about Bush's AWOL. Michael Jackson is bigger than Scott Petersen! Kobe Bryant's alleged rape is bigger than a pre-emptive strike against Iraq. And the country, filled with so many hypocritical religious right-wingnuts, is so easily distracted that Survivor, American Idol and other such stupidity that they don't know diddly about politics, about who is running the country, who is lying, and who is running roughshod over our very liberties.

Mention any of the following to a group of "average" citizens: Valerie Plame, AWOL, Bush's cocaine use, Bush's drunken driving, Funeralgate, Memogate, Halliburton, Carlyle Group, neo-cons--you will find the average person out there knows more about Clinton and Monica, Kerry's sex life, Gary Hart's sex life, and any one of a dozen other stupid and ridiculous subjects than concentrating on the REALLY IMPORTANT stuff. If DUers are going to be looking more significantly at these crap subjects, instead of focusing on getting the illegitimate regime OUT of our government, then we are NO DIFFERENT than the worst freeper out there.

[CBHagman]

89. Dear hyphenate, you took the words right out of my mouth.

I've been disgusted by the energy expended on the Janet Jackson matter, to say nothing of the other tabloid fodder you mentioned. I wish some of the righteous indignation expended on Janet Jackson's flesh had been employed in a more noble cause.

But prurient stories are supposed to sell newspapers and win ratings for radio and TV. And the soulless corporate media slings it all our way.

Let's FIGHT BACK.

[hyphenate]

93. Thanks for your kind words

But the major goal is to get involved, to speak up and not accept the pressure we are receiving from some in speaking our minds and launching dissent when it is needed. Tomorrow morning, for example, I will be attending a meeting for John Kerry here in Massachusetts to see how we're going to win delegates in the primary in less than a month. Our goal must be, whatever the end result, to stay on top of the trash that the Bush administration is throwing at our candidates, and throw it right back in their faces. They claim we're going to have a negative campaign--the true IS negative, because their candidate has so much shit in his past that we don't have to invent things--we just have to make it available to the public.

There are so many people who only follow the local newspapers, regardless of their slant, and there are so many people who would rather catch the sensationalism and tabloid news, rather than be truly informed about the real news, and these people are the ones who need to get out of their self-imposed haze and focus on real change. Too much complacency will be the ruin of us all, and somehow, someway, these people have to be shown that, which isn't going to be easy.

[fortyfeetunder]

122. I absofrigginlutely agree

It's ludicrous. Who gives a rip about the sex lives?
I am dumfounded at the attention an alleged activity was.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

86. What a bunch of crap.

[Nancy Waterman]

90. This sounds like a pretty clear denial to me

The Democratic front-runner made his campaign rounds while repeatedly denying having had an extramarital affair. "I just deny it categorically. It's rumor. It's untrue. And that's the last time I intend to" respond to questions about it, he told reporters who asked about reports on an Internet site.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040214/ap_on_el_pr/democrats&cid=694&ncid=2043

[peacetalksforall]

92. Keep in the forefront...

1. The right wing loves sex stories of Dems, but pay no attention to the sex realities of Hyde, Livingston, Gingrich, etc.

2. Pennsylvaina is Scaife country - from which cometh funding riches.

3. Drudge is only a tool. Those who plot, feed him. He is only a tool.

4. Expect this. They'll imply or find more and they have the full partnerships of their media propaganda stations to keep on dishing out innuendos as news.

5. Every person who is a possible target of the right wing, cannot demonstrate friendship or closeness of any kind with young women or men.

6. The more serious issue (with me) is his vote for the war and the right wing will have a difficult time using that against him.

7. The other more serious issue (with me) is his membership in a secret society. The right wing will not use that.

8. Forget about it until the target is back in the States with the Rutherford Fundation standing on one side of her and their public relation ace on the other and with her parents wearing their Bush 2004 buttons and she is accusing him naming place, date, and witnesses.

[xXx]

95. Don't play into the GOP's hand.

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37. For the first time, I'm DISGUSTED with DU!


I realize that there are many of us who do not particularly care for John Kerry, and wish that Howard Dean was in the lead. But there's no excuse for the hypocrisy I'm seeing on this site today. When Republicans accuse a Democrat of having an affair, it's just silly and mean, but it's OK for you guys to do it? You sound like a bunch of old ladies gossiping after church. It makes me sick.
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I've witnessed a lot of this. I understand that some of you are Dean supporters as well but you really should direct your negativity at Bush, not Kerry. Honestly, it's still a race right now, but what if Kerry does get the nod? You're giving Bush ammunition to use against one of our own. That's not right. Above any intra-party bickering is maintaining an unified front to get the crooks out of office. Don't lose sight of the goal in an effort to score some points agianst Kerry when it's looking more and more like he's going to be our man anyway rendering any points you score now moot. Come on, people, keep your head about you.

[feistydem]

105. I couldn't agree more!

It's one thing to be supporting and voting for a candidate with your eyes wide open. It's just self-destructive to let the Rove machine work it's way through the Republican shills, like Matt Drudge, into the Democratic party and get our tongues wagging on inuendo.

Bush is tearing this country apart. Keep your eyes on the prize folks.

[peacetalksforall]

118. I'm not supporting anyone. I have

not posted a single pro-candidate message because there isn't anyone who stands a good chance that opposed the killing and that is the number one issue with me.

I am extremely angry at the congresspeople who voted for the war. I long for Wellstone. I admire Kucinich immensely. I have no regrets in linking the names of Clinton, Schumer, Kerry, Edwards, Daschle, etc. - all of them who voted to kill. I am angry at them.

I am extremely angry at the idea that we should ignore a power club membership in a secret society. There is a huge amount of attention paid to the secrecy in many forms, but we are expected to overlook this one.

My message above is that they are going to go for sex and for the most part it can probably all be ignored or turned around and used against them. THey will have their best schemers and testers working through the night. I say consider the source and start laughing it off and start noticing who they are using to do this and who is funding it.

I also tried to say that I have more important issues with Kerry than any sex innuendo, but my issues won't be an issue for the schemers because they parallel the other side.

I am ABB and ABNader.

[Sterling]

124. I understand

This wishful thinking that something like this will just go away if true or that it does not mattered really worriers me. It shows we are not thinking logically.

I hope it is not true but like others have said in this thread if there is any truth to it Kerry needs to own it NOW or we are screwed big time.

[gimme a break]

96. Ugh!

1. The right wing loves sex stories of Dems, but pay no attention to the sex realities of Hyde, Livingston, Gingrich, etc.

Who would even want to think of their sex lives? Easy, I've got a weak stomach.

[LiberalFighter]

129. The right wing loves sex stories of Dems

but pay no attention to the sex realities of Hyde, Livingston, Gingrich, etc.

Could it be that thinking of these repugs having sex would make them throw up?

[TheWebHead]

100. Alex Polier photo

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004071010,00.jpg

they list her as 27 and engaged to Yaron Schwartzman

more...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004071781,00.html

[smirkymonkey]

119. Cute, but do you really think John Kerry

would blow his chances for the presidency over her??

[feistydem]

103. Didn't the man have prostate cancer?

If he had an affair, he must be a helluva tough dude --suffering from prostate cancer, surgery and all.

I can't believe anyone on this site would give credence to a Matt Drudge smear piece on the leading Democratic challenger. It's like saying Robert Novak is ethical.

Why don't we all just chew our arms off and spare the Republicans the effort? Good grief.

You want a story? Ask Drudge to explain this photo...

[Nietzsche]

108. the less we make it an issue.

the less it will become an issue. Even if he did have an affair, which i highly doubt, who cares! Shouldnt drudge (wtf kinda name is that) be investigating crimes much more heinous than cheating on your wife. The fact that this is the longest thread on the first page (I think) goes to show that even people here become caught up in such an obvious rovian move. I know this is my first post, but you guys gotta stop indulging in this stuff. thats how it will go away.

[alarcojon]

110. Welcome to DU!

I'm pretty new here myself...

B-)

[The White Rose]

120. Eye on the ball, people.

Do we really want to do Karl's work for him? Personally, I wouldn't care if Monica Lewinsky's dress ran for president against Bush, just as long as it won.

Who cares if Kerry doinked an intern (or whatever)?

Is he going to lie us into a needless war?

Is he going to gleefully destroy the environment?

Is he going to decimate the middle class, shaft the elderly, loot the Treasury, and drag us kicking and screaming into the 19th century?

Don't we have better things to do than help the Busheviks paint Kerry with the same brush they used on Clinton?

BTW here's a formula familiar to all thinking Brits: The Sun = NewsCorp = Murdoch = Bullshit (see also The Telegraph, The Times and many, many more...)

[kwolf68]

121. Bitter and Broken

Even Right-Wing hate mongers have yet to resort to this shit.

If I am Bush I simply tune in to DemocraticUndergound.Com to find the latest bilge on John Kerry. Democrats are a hapless, minority party for one reason: We are stubborn and foolish. The continuous attack on John Kerry on a Democratic website proves it.

Don’t like Kerry? Great…Go vote for freaking Nadar…and then we can all go to W’s inauguration in 2004. God Bless America.

[Moderator]

131. No longer LBN... locking.

This subject, which has since been debunked and discredited, isn't relevant to the Latest Breaking News forum any longer.

Please feel free to continue discussion of this and other right-wing smear attempts in the General Discussion forums.

Thanks!

DU Moderator