Bush Agrees to Release ALL Records! (MSNBC)

[Sticky]

No link yet. Just reported on MSNBC.

Yahoo Link:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=716&e=2&u=/ap/20040213/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_records

[Jacobin]

1. Guess they finished "fixing them up"

:eyes:

[stopbush]

5. Explitive deleted...

you had to be around during Watergate to get that one.

[Maeve]

15. Or just an 18 minute gap in the tapes...

It's the cover-ups that do them in.

[Shadder]

25. How about....

A U-Haul pulling up in front of the White House?

[stepnw1f]

6. No kidding?

Sidetrack from the WMD's, Plame case, and 9/11.... Their just trying to buy time.

[xray s]

2. All of his records...

The Monkey's, Herman's Hermits, The Righteous Brothers...all of them.

[BeatleBoot]

3. Takes about a week to re-create

sounds about right!

[Timefortruth]

10. Didn't he already do that once?

Promise I mean.

[Timefortruth]

4. Unredacted?

There isn't a chance in the world that they will be complete.

[Bunny]

7. And just announcing this on a Friday evening?

How conveeeeeeeeeenient!!!!

[arcane1]

23. my thoughts EXACTLY

it's ALL ABOUT THE PR for this bunch

[BlueEyedSon]

8. What.... AGAIN?

[htuttle]

9. Again?

This is, what, the third time they've said they will release all his NG records?

Still waiting...

[RedEarth]

11. After they've cleaned them

I don't believe for a minute this will be "all" of his records.

[calimary]

32. It can't be all the records. Some of those are in some Texas landfill

all thoughtfully "scrubbed" by Dan Bartlett back in, what, 1998 or something, so as to cleanse the files of anything that would be deemed damaging to the THEN-governor.

Is it legal to do that? Go in and "adjust" military records? Maybe THEIR version of Botox treatments?

[Sticky]

12. Hmmmm.

Bob Kur reporting from the White House:

Reporters being invited in to a "room" - not the real press room - where some records will be released to a select group of reporters momentarily.

[Vitruvius]

29. Which is what you do with forged documents;

you don't let anybody get a good look at them or -- God forbid -- get any copies.

[peterh]

30. Select group???

Ok ladies and gentlemen….to make this as fair as possible and without any inference of bias….we’ve put everyone’s name in a hat and pulled 5 names to go in and review the records. You will be allowed in in the order your name was pulled….
First…Brit Hume with Fox
Second….Peter Jennings with ABC
Third….Joe Scarborough with MSNBC
Forth….Paula Zahn with CNN
And Fifth….Dennis Miller with CNBC

I don’t believe we could have gotten any luckier in getting a good cross-section in journalistic integrity….thank you….

Sarcasm off / in reality, I hope someone takes note on who will be let in….

[fob]

13. When the "proof" shows up and "clears" him, a new firestorm

better start with why he farted around so long then. Someone better ask how many NG personnel have been killed in Iraq from the time this came up until he decided to finally answer!

[Timefortruth]

14. link

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040213/D80ML5UG2.html

[seemslikeadream]

16. Just tell us why you were doing community service at P.U.L.L.

:nuke:

[kath]

17. If records come to the press after they have been filtered through the WH

they won't be worth shit.

The ONLY way to have this done appropriately is for W to sign a release, waiving his privacy rights, allowing the Air Force Records Center (or whatever it's officially called) to release his ENTIRE file to requesting parties (including EVERYTHING -- personal info, medical, disciplinary, the whole damn file, just as all other Pres candidates have done) Very simple -- all he has to do is sign one little form.

[AZCat]

18. Here's a link!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=1&u=/ap/20040213/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_records

Haven't read it yet...

Edit:

Okay, the story doesn't say much. Here's the important part.

<snip>
Bush Orders Release of Military Records

By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites ), trying to calm a political storm, ordered the release of all of his Vietnam-era military records Friday to counter Democrats' suggestions that he shirked his duty in the Texas Air National Guard.

Hundreds of pages of documents detailed Bush's service in the Guard in Texas and his temporary duty in Alabama while working on a political campaign there in the early 1970s. Democrats have questioned whether Bush ever showed up for duty in Alabama.
<snip>

[Shadder]

19. I can see it now

Lots of poor quality photo copies that cannot be read, with lots of areas blacked out. But according to Scotty, they will clearly put this issue to rest once and for all.

[ThoughtCriminal]

43. I visualize the Macy's car salesman in "Fargo"

making sure the faxed VIN numbers were unreadable.

[JoFerret]

20. Community Service

Time to ask about community service.

[NNN0LHI]

21. The usual Friday night dump from these crooks n/t

[maddezmom]

28. yeah, but just think of all the Sunday shows. n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

22. CNN reported it just a moment ago.

If it's all there, we'll see for ourselves. Guess those 100 letters printed in the Washington Post made therm realize the American people are interested.

[Jackpine Radical]

24. Next week is gonna be just as interesting as this week was, I guess.

I'm sure everyone will have a field day with these records. There are so many fascinating bits & pieces lying around already (e.g. the physical order, the ordeer revoking flight status, etc.) that we'll have some opportunities for independent comparisons.

And will a DD214 show up?

And will there be any obvious alterations?

Time to get out the popcorn & schedule some recreational time on DU.

[Sticky]

26. The damage has been done

The AWOL story has drudged up a lot of old wounds for enlisted men and women and veterans especially, it's reminded them of the prancing flight suit chimp. Once the trust is gone, it's hell to get it back.

[maddezmom]

27. cripes...where were they before the 2000 election?

guess Scotty getting a grilling today, set the ball in motion. Who was that reporter from CBS? He was fantastic.

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[West Coast Democrat]

33. Intriguing bit here....

"The records documented that Bush, a pilot, was suspended from flying status beginning Aug. 1, 1972, because of his failure to have an annual medical examination. His last flight exam was on May 15, 1971.

His medical checks, from 1968 through 1971, show no signs of illness at the time except for a brief episode of hemorrhoid symptoms."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=1&u=/ap/20040213/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_records

Suspended from flying!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. Wasn't W a bit young for hemorrhoids?

I wonder what else he was putting up there that would have caused him to be so sore?

[mouse7]

36. From what I've heard regarding Dumbya flying skills...

...probably the control joystick.

And you wondered why they called it a joystick.

[Politicub]

40. OMG

I wonder what else he was putting up there that would have caused him to be so sore?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - What were he and pickles into back then? The who lot of the bushes are freaks.

:wtf:

[DoYouEverWonder]

45. Actually I don't think it was Pickles

but more likely one of W's male buddies. I think he was already friends with Victor Ashe by then?

[JCMach1]

49. Already have that document

[Zero Gravitas]

35. Helen Thomas must have really got to them

They are releasing all this stuff in a desperate hope to put an end to this, even though these records won't:

a) explain why Junior didn't take his physical

b) answer Helen's question about community service

c) indicate whether he fulfilled his duty.

I think the first two things are connected and are the heart of this issue: Dumb-ass got himself busted and Daddy pulled some strings to get him off with community service; the TANG didn't want a coke-fiend flying so being the special case that he always has been, shit-head was able to just blow off the whole fly-boy thingie by not taking the physical.

[htuttle]

37. Helen was hammering McClellan on the 'community service' issue...

...without actually bringing up the cocaine bust allegations directly. But it was obvious that both Helen and scotty knew what each other were really referring to.

They don't want this to go to the coke issue -- even to deny it, since Bush's credibility is so shot right now, it will be impossible to get away from at this point.

Reading the transcript of the press conference today, it was clear that McClellen was baiting Helen to jump to the cocaine allegation so he could tie it to Hatfield, and hopefully link the whole National Guard mess to being nothing but Hatfield's allegations, which they consider discredited. It seemed to me that Helen sparred with scotty very well. Though she got few answers, the denials told the story...

[Nashyra]

39. Why didn't they do this a long time ago

They have scrubbed these. On CNN they keep showing pictures of him in his uniform, what a crock. Why don't they ask who gave him permission to not take a physical? You can not just let your physical laspe, you need permission to not obey an order.

[imax2268]

38. CNN link...

Bush orders release of his Vietnam-era military files

[Abe Linkman]

47. Curious to say his "Vietnam-era military files"

What other era military files would the boy have?

Trying to make it sound like he's a Vietnam vet?

[0007]

41. His Community Service also? Along with his arrest record....

.....and his Motor vehicle Record?

[grasswire]

42. David Gregory said...

...on Hardball that the papers are in a room and reporters may look at them but not remove them. So there are hundreds of sheets, and these few reporters have a little time to look at them.

I wonder if they can even take notes?

[pinniped]

44. What a surprise.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=1&u=/ap/20040214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_records

"But there was no new evidence documenting he was in Alabama during a period when Democrats have questioned whether he showed up service."

___________________

But that doesn't mean that evidence doesn't exist.:crazy:

[Zero Gravitas]

46. he may not have actually showed up

but he did engage in "Alabama Air National Gaurd-related activities" (like getting a free dental exam.)

[pinniped]

48. Or maybe he had thoughts about engaging in...

"Alabama Air National Guard-related activities"

during the period in question.

Hey, that's good enough for me to change my vote.

Repuke 2004!