BREAKING: New CBO report debunks GOP stimulus talking points

[kpete]

Source: Daily Kos

BREAKING: New CBO report debunks GOP stimulus talking points
by Drdemocrat
Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 02:05:18 PM PST

The CBO just came out with a report about the Senate Stimulus plan and it shows that 78% of the $884 billion will be spent during the first 18 months.

http://cbo.gov/

The Obama administration vowed that they wanted at least 75% of the money spent from a stimulus package should be spent within the first 18 months.

The House version of the bill was found by the CBO to spend out 64% of the money in the first 18 months. As a result, GOP put out the talking point that not enough of the stimulus package would be spent quickly enough.

Now the CBO has looked at the Senate version and they have found that $694 billion of the $884 billion will be spent out in the first 18 months after it is enacted. This results in 78% of the money being spent which is better than House version of the bill.





Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/2/17518/68664/333/684126

[rucky]

1. Off to the Greatest Page with Ye!

[Brgotn]

26. Well, not really.

The Senate version isn't the House version and neither is the final product. This is a invented kerfuffle. Let's see what the final product will be. So far both have ear marks which Obama said he would (not) allow.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. True. But Repub talking points and MSMS are acting as if the bill is final so

it's a good thing the CBO has debunked a well-publicized right-wing talking point they regurgitate over and over again with very helpful broadcast and cable "news" networks. It's high time their lies are taken down HARD before they have time to ferment in the people's minds - something they were close to doing.

[CTyankee]

33. It was quoted today on Morning Joe! Mika read it aloud to Joe et al.

I thought she had gotten confused or slipped up...but there it was!

[BlueCaliDem]

37. Mika quoted the CBO report you mean? n/t

[CTyankee]

39. Yes, she did. I was surprised. n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

40. Wow. Joe's going to take her to the woodshed afterward. She's

being a recalcitrant media propagandist and that won't sit well with him and the execs.

That's said, I'm glad she brought it up. Will the rest of the "liberal" media follow? I doubt it.

[CTyankee]

41. I think he saw the CBO report, too. He couldn't very well say anything in response.

I thought it embarrassed him and he knew he "got nuthin" to say...

[GentryDixon]

2. Never to be revisted by the MSM, I am sure.

[BlueCaliDem]

32. Of course not. They were happy as could be they were succeeding in twisting

the message, calling it a "stimulus package" rather than the recovery and reinvestment bill that it is.

They were gleefully saying that it's clear the repukes were winning the words war over the President and Democrats - of course NOT acknowledging how helpful they all were in dragging every friggin repuke out from under every stone to a microphone and camera to make their case.

And what's with C-Span using Politico as a respectable news source these days??

[CTyankee]

35. see my post #33. It was on Morning Joe earlier today...n/t

[Soylent Brice]

3. how many times will rethugs be proven to be flat out liars

before people will stop voting for them?

seriously?

K&R

[mzmolly]

44. It's time they go the way of the Whigs.

:hi:

[Soylent Brice]

47. back atcha.

:hi:

[Hope And Change]

4. A BIG K & R!

:kick:

[Donkeykick]

5. Good Find

Thanks!

[BumRushDaShow]

6. K&R

:kick:

[1776Forever]

7. Thank you - this is a great reference tool - along with the Committee on Appropriations........

http://appropriations.house.gov/ latest update 1/29/09

[Divine Discontent]

12. K&R

[Hawkeye-X]

8. Like your favorite hero says..

"You're with us or you're again' us"

[Better Believe It]

9. What % of plan is for infrastructure and how much of that will be spent in 18 months?

[Gin]

10. what ever happened to the second part of the 700B? is that

included in this package?

[4lbs]

19. No, that second part of the TARP will likely be used by the FDIC to redo a lot of these bad mortgage

loans. There was already something written about this last week.

[stillcool]

21. you can read what's in it here...

I think it's either 74 or 78% that will be used within 18 months

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=02&year=2009&base_name=the_senate_stimulus_bill

[scytherius]

11. ONLY meaningful if Obama and the Dems use it

and ignore the irrelevant GOP.

[stillcool]

17. The GOP is far from irrelevant..

The Democrats have a majority of voters, who don't do anything other than vote and watch tv. That does not a majority make, when the perception managers own the tv.

[liberal N proud]

13. This is the very information we need to fight the propagandists

[Horse with no Name]

14. You mean the repubisrushicans LIED???

You don't say?:eyes:
I am reminded of the parable of the snake crossing the river.

Mr. Snake approaches Mr. Turtle on a river bank and asks Mr. Turtle for a ride across the water since he can’t swim the river himself. Mr. Turtle politely refuses to oblige, reasoning that if he were to give Mr. Snake a ride across the river, he would surely be bitten. Mr. Snake protests saying that it would be foolish for him to bite the one carrying him, since it would result in him perishing also. Mr. Turtle considers the argument, then agrees to ferry Mr. Snake over the broad river. When they are half-way across the river Mr. Turtle feels a sharp pain and realizes he has been bitten by Mr. Snake. As the venom is beginning to take effect, Mr. Turtle sadly and resolutely asks Mr. Snake why he bit him, since the biting will also result in Mr. Snake’s demise. A wry smile came upon Mr. Snake’s face. “I bit you because I am a snake Mr. Turtle; that is what snakes do.”

republicans lie. It is what they do. To even be surprised is silly.:(

[clixtox]

29. A fabulous, instructive fable/parable I first read...

many, many years ago in a Playboy Magazine interview with Dustin Hoffman. The way Dustin told the story the turtle makes it to the other side of the raging river with a mighty effort required by the dead weight riding on his shell. As the snake slithers off, it turns and then bites the turtle on the neck, then the typical snake replys to the "why" question, "Hey, you knew I was a snake!"

Pithy advice to pay extra special attention to, and I have for about 40 years since I read it for the first time.

Shrub was attempting to make a similar point when he made his famously inept, "fool me once, fool me twice, etc" quip.

[TellTheTruth82]

36. Please be careful

This implies that Democrats do not lie, and we know that is not a true statement. Granted, there is a matter of degree. Additionally, if the Republicans were attacking the house plan, then when they said it didn't meet Obama's goals, they were right.....

[Horse with no Name]

38. Well we can't blame a global economy collapse on the Democrats

And of course Bill Clinton lied about a blow job...yeah, those two "crimes" are on the same level.:eyes:

[TellTheTruth82]

42. there's plenty of other stuff out there...please be honest

Jefferson, Blagovich (or however it is spelled), and so on. Can't exactly blame the global collapse on the Republicans either...there's plenty of blame to go around.

[lark]

48. Why not?

The Repugs are the ones who sang the song of deregulation for years - it was their mantra. Enron showed the world the danger, but the Repugs spun and distracted and very little was done to control the devious and ultra greedy corpratists (sp?). Yes, some Dems (DINO's?) played along with the schemes, but the schemers, the ones who brought this about, were by and large Repug: so I can and will blame them all day long and feel justified.

[Doug.Goodall]

15. Ah gee, you mean the Republicans have been proven to be liars again?

The Republicans are on some kind of roll with this lying business.

[CitizenPatriot]

16. I am reminded of what the reprushicans say all the time

when they are brought up on charges they deserve (Palin, for example)-- Partisan attacks from Democrats (even when the panel is split).

Why don't the Dems scream about partisan attacks putting party before country and human life and all of that? Oh, right...they do but nobody puts it on the tee vee.

After what they announced re Iraq and Betrayus wanting to blame the failure on Obama, I'm all outta patience for these thugs.

[louis-t]

43. How about 'rushpublicans'?

I LIKE it.

[CitizenPatriot]

46. love it!

will use it everywhere....:-))))

[lark]

49. General Betrayus?

Move On had it right.

[GinaMaria]

18. So glad they care more about opposing President Obama than

helping Americans. What's it like inside their protective bubble?

[demo dutch]

20. Great, so when are they going to market it properly, Dems are losing the PR on it!

[stillcool]

22. I read somewhere that...

there are some groups buying ad time to get information out there..targeting states where the GOP are hostile to the ideas.

[clixtox]

30. MoveOn.org is taking pledges now to buy ads...

I believe that if MoveOn can generate huge numbers during this "pledge drive" those "Blue Dog" Demos, and some key, vulnerable Republicans can be "made" to vote "yes" for the "stimulus bill", as their constituents would prefer that they do.
Please consider this effort yourself and join millions doing something!
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But right now, the stimulus doesn't have the votes to pass.1 Republicans and conservative Democrats are teaming up to strip out the good stuff—college loan assistance, health research, tax cuts for poor folks, and more—in favor of more tax cuts for corporations.2 If they don't get their way, they'll block the plan.

Last week, not a single Republican in the House voted for Obama's plan—they didn't think voters would ever hold them accountable. That's why we're asking folks to pledge now to help run ads after the vote letting the public know where key senators—both Republican and Democrat—came down on the bill. We need to get started now, so politicians and the media know their constituents are paying attention.

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[diane in sf]

23. Anyone who doesn't realize repugs are total liars by now is hopelessly ignorant,

willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid.

[HEyHEY]

24. Dear Daily Kos; go to reporter school

On first reference you need to write the organization's WHOLE name. I sat there wondering who the fucking CBO was when I coulda been reading the story. Basic, BASIC shit.

[BrklynLiberal]

25. I hope that those people who listened to the repukes are also given this information...

but it seems the media is still very slanted toward reporting only one side of the situation...

[pam4water]

27. Don't worry the Republican won't stop using their old talking points ;)

[VPStoltz]

28. NPR news reports...

that the difference in spending that has the Republican'ts all in a knot is equal to - now get this - 1 7/100th of 1 percent of the entire bill!
Help me here math people, that's what .007%?
Jesus H. Keeeeeeerist why are we even listening to these losers?

[MindMatter]

45. What is the big difference between House and Senate versions?

Tax cuts I hope. Those GOP tax giveaways do almost nothing for the economy. They saddle us with deficits, but unlike the infrastructure investments, the tax cuts leave the country with nothing to show for it.

At least if we run a deficit, let's get some bridges repaired for our money.

[myrna minx]

34. K&R n/t

[Zorra]

50. Why is the GOP still relevant? Dems need to crush them and grind them under their

heels if they want to get anything done.