Calif. octuplets' mom's veil of secrecy vanishes

[WorseBeforeBetter]

Source: Associated Press

Suleman, who now has 14 children, told doctors she battled with depression for years after she was injured in a riot in 1999 at the state mental hospital where she worked.

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Among other things, the documents reveal that Suleman collected more than $165,000 in disability payments between 2002 and 2008 for an injury she said left her in near-constant pain and helped end her marriage.

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"That was always a dream of mine, to have a large family, a huge family," she said. "I just longed for certain connections and attachments with another person that ... I really lacked, I believe, growing up."

In the state report, however, doctors indicate she had a happy childhood. She told them she was an above-average high school student, enjoyed being a cheerleader, had many friends and stayed out of trouble. She said her parents were loving and supportive.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

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Here we go...

[Idealism]

1. "state mental hospital where she worked"

are we to believe she only "worked" there, after the other revelations?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

2. The plot thickens.

Another thing that baffles me about this entire case is how someone can handle the physical demands of raising 14 children while living in near-constant pain. I can only imagine what sort of Rx's she may be on.

[Donnachaidh]

38. forget raising them -- how did she survive the pregnancy?

My OB specialized in multiples. One day I happened to walk past a room where a young mom was lying on a table, in very OBVIOUS pain. She was carrying THREE. The Doctor was trying to keep from having to do a c-section too early - she was at 30 weeks. She looked (quite frankly) like a corpse, with a swollen WRITHING belly. My heart so went out to her.

So, if Ms. *I was Injured* was in so much pain it broke up her marriage -- HOW could she withstand the pregnancy and WHAT sort of doctor, knowing her injury history - would implant multiples?

This whole story stinks to high heaven. And it only gets smellier with these *oh poor little sad Mommy* stories, delivered up with just the right amount of schmaltz by the PR people.

[progressivebydesign]

41. because her pain is FAKE. n/t

[LostinVA]

47. BINGO

[crikkett]

57. I'm morally opposed to calling someone else's pain fake. You can't prove it.

There is Absolutely no way for you to know another person's pain. None.

[LisaL]

3. Hey, her mother says she is "basically normal" except for

her obsession with having children.
:rofl:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

5. I know...

that one did make me "LOL out loud" (as Monk would say...).

[BrklynLiberal]

4. That was my very first thought as well.

[progressivebydesign]

40. "worked" well, she collected disability for 8 years from a "back injury"

so worked is probably overstating it a bit. Amazing how you can be too ill to work, yet you can go thru invitro and give birth repeatedly, raise 6 children born in quick succession, and attend college, all at the same time.

Many times people who have issues are drawn to the mental health field because of their own research into their problems. God help the world that 14 children will be raised by that person.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

55. If she had back trouble then, just wait...

what a mess.

[clixtox]

62. I worked at Atascadero State Hosp. doing "alternative service" in early 1967...

as a "Conscientious Objector". A maximum security institution warehousing many of the most bizarre, criminal, and sexually twisted Californians.

The staff often commented that "if they couldn't commit you, they hired you".

I was young (20 y.o.) and somewhat naive but I tended to agree! The typical "Psychiatric Technician Trainee" back then, and there, was an under-educated local yahoo. The only education requirement was successful completion of the 8th grade, I kid you not!

After a month working there, Ronald Reagan was inaugurated as CA governor, and among his first programs was to drastically/radically reduce the "mental" hospital program, and I was quickly looking for another place to continue my alternative service obligation.

[pacalo]

6. If she never had enough friends, dammit, she can grow some herself.

Oh my.

[beac]

8. Someone really should have set this loon up with a Facebook account before she

turned her womb into her own personal social networking site!

[katty]

52. ha!

[Hello_Kitty]

13. LOL! That reminds me of an anti-choice loon I met recently

He was railing against abortion because, as he put it, "My best friend was probably aborted in the last 30 years!" I was like, dude, try some deodorant and a personality. Really, depriving women of their bodily autonomy isn't going to help you at this point.

[Demeter]

27. Well! That's a New Argument!

And I always thought the Vietnam War took away the possible love of my life...although now I'm beginning to think I should go up the chain and just blame the Republicans.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. I would still like to know the name of the MD that implanted those 8 embryos, and if he will be

losing his license to practice medicine.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

9. Perhaps Ann Curry will interview him next.

Or maybe he's too busy huddling with his team of lawyers.

[smalll]

14. I'd like to know the names of the 14 kids she has.

Somehow I have the hunch she rivals Sarah Palin when it comes to being "creative" in that department.

[hamsterjill]

42. I would, too.

I'd kind of reserved judgment about the doctor, but now that Suleman has gone public, what WAS that doctor thinking?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

45. It was reported that only 4 embryos were implanted, may not have been reliable though.

I couldn't find the quote the next day when I looked.

David

[CJCRANE]

59. AFAIK it was six, I saw part of the interview nt

[Hello_Kitty]

10. Okay, I just feel really sorry for her now.

And really PISSED at the doctors who did the IVF treatments.

[glinda]

11. She is irresponsible

[all.of.me]

12. near-constant pain?! how many pregnancies?!

boy, this does not hold water....

[global1]

16. Neither Did Her Water Bag......nt

[all.of.me]

18. lol :)

[Iwillnevergiveup]

15. $27,500 a year in disability

ain't enough to raise ONE child on, never mind 6.

My thought here is if she gets tons of negative press that she cannot handle, the babies will be off to foster care. Maybe all 14 if her folks can't deal with all the press. Even if she gets a sympathetic outpouring, how traumatic for the original 6 kids to watch a parade of infants coming, whether into Granny and Gramps' house or the McMansion some outfit will build for her. It's really hard to see a positive outcome here.

[truthisfreedom]

17. "A vagina is not a clown car." -Someone in this forum posted this a few months ago about a similar

woman.

[hyphenate]

19. Yeah, the Duggars

and their 18 ring circus. I am really finding the next words out of my keyboard very very strange, but I find myself sticking up for the Duggars, to say at least they can afford to have all their kids as real estate brokers, and at least the kids are spaced out to some extent. This woman is just absolutely looneytoons.

I really have to wonder how the fuck she is going to raise them all. She really spit out a litter, not 8 infants.

[LostinVA]

48. As I said to a coworker last week,"You know it's bad when you're using the Duggars as an example."

This was after I said almost exactly what you said.

[Sodbuster]

22. I don't really know what that means but it cracks me up

everytime I see or hear it.

Thanks for the chuckle

[Lasher]

28. Ah, the clown car poster.

Update to account for additional clowns:

[bulloney]

29. A vagina is not a clown car. Wow! That really paints an image in my mind!

I'm gonna remember that one.

[Lost4words]

33. Oh thats really a good one! Im gonna use it all day!!!

thanks all

[Politicalboi]

20. The next Amazing story of

Octomom. How will she do it? Will her parents throw her ass out? Will she move to Opraha's? This woman shouldn't be given any air time. Let her work it out for herself.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

37. I'm kind of neutral on Oprah (meaning I don't get the appeal...),

but I'm wondering if these births will be celebrated (rah rah!), or if Oprah will do the responsible thing and "attack" it from all angles, with ethics leading the charge. Fourteen kids without a significant other to help financially or with child-rearing is another biggie. Assuming one's not-quite-elderly parents will step up is another (evidently Dad is going back to his native Eye-raq as a contractor/truck driver). Etc.

[Dr.Phool]

21. Her "Veil of Secrecy" didn't vanish. She hired a PR firm.

Trying to get a TV show on parenting. Trying to get on Oprah.

[katty]

53. exactly--next will be the 'book deal'

[deepplaya]

23. The whole thing sounds like drug abuse or a Nazi experiment.

We got liver transplants for abuse.
When will the first uterine transplant be ready for public consumption.

[northofdenali]

24. This poor woman is obviously unstable -

or as obvious as news reports from many, many sources have indicated.

I'd like to know what the hell the doctor who did the implants was thinking, and where was the (standard) background/psych check?

[katty]

54. she told A Curry she wants to become a "counselor"?!

of what, exactly?

[No Elephants]

25. The doctor who impregnated this loon should have his license revoked. Show on parenting? They've

got to be joking.

[ima_sinnic]

26. linked article says an interview w/her will be on Today show on Monday

and on Dateline on Tues.
a photo and videos and quite a bit more info at link

[dixiegrrrrl]

30. great/ we hit the twit trifecta.

Her, Palin and Blago....right wing owned MSM will be eating off this for weeks.

"Economy? what economy? We got important people to talk to."

[ima_sinnic]

35. heh, yeah I realized after I posted that, that I'd been screaming "we should ignore her"

but found myself curious enough to plan to watch the interview :crazy:

[dixiegrrrrl]

31. Apparently she also set a record for the world's longest labor:

From the linked tory:

"In the interview, Suleman said she struggled for seven years before finally giving birth to her first child."

[BrklynLiberal]

50. lol

[Lost4words]

32. this is an abomination IMO! nt

[Dappleganger]

34. So she confirms that she's a selfish baby-hoarder

[snooper2]

36. No More Babys!

This guy cracks me up :rofl: - even though he didn't spell babies correctly :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



Whittier resident Ulyses Gutierrez holds a sign that reads "No More Babys" outside the home of the Suleman family in Whittier, Calif. on Thursday, Feb. 5, 2009. Nadya Suleman, not seen, who already has six young children, was released earlier Thursday, from a hospital in in Bellflower, Calif. after giving birth to octuplets on Jan. 26. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[NashVegas]

49. You Realize That Guy Might Be One of Her Ex-In-Laws?

Same family name.

[progressivebydesign]

39. Gosh.. amazing how that back injury didn't keep her from popping out 6 kids.

The State of California should sue her for disability fraud! $165,000.00 paid to her while she was "unable to work" from a back injury suffered on her job at the mental health services. So she lives at home, pockets the dough and spends it on expensive in vitro and giving birth to 6 kids, and now 14.

Guess we finally understand why she told that girl at school (because her back injury that kept her out of work and paid by the State for 8 years didn't stop her from going to college) that she was "being paid" to have all those kids and go to school.

Shows how utterly sick our media society is... this woman, who should never be a parent, let alone a parent of 14 children, is being offered millions for her story. Yeah, let's celebrate a cheat, and someone who is too mentally unstable to have all these kids. The doctors involved in her invitro should face some type of reprimand as well. And her sperm donor friend should be paying the State back as well. I feel sorry for the others in her insurance group, because their premiums go up as a result of her mental issues.

[Blue_Tires]

43. her tubes need to get tied...today

or they need to cut off the firehose of sperm she is evidently getting from these banks...

because like the duggars, 1. she is insane, and 2. she will continue to breed as long as there are enablers rewarding her for it...

[Ms. Toad]

51. They essentially are...

That's why she needed in vitro.

[rvablue]

56. Can you only imagine the complete travesty it will be

if in 1-2 years time we hear this woman is yet again pregnant with a mulitple birth??? :scared:

I don't how anyone or entity could force her to get her tubes tied. That would be a slippery slope for the general population.

But someone has got to get up in her face and explain to her the ramifications of what she has done and the dangers that another pregnancy could pose to the welfare of her 14 kids.

It is frightening to me that there is absolutely nothing anyone can definitively do right now to prevent a repeat performance from this very unstable woman.

[Blue_Tires]

44. I keep forgetting to ask:

if she wanted THIS many kids THIS fucking badly, why didn't she adopt?

[Maat]

58. Actually, when I was a social worker, I did have a friend who adopted five.

She's a terrific mom and social worker.

[LisaL]

60. Do you think that a woman with six kids, single, living with her parents,

on disability, would be allowed to adopt?

[LostinVA]

46. Now we know how the little freak paid for the IVFs

[Cass]

61. Did the doctor who fulfilled her wishes for a huge family know or consider her

medical history? Surely there is some kind of screening process one must go through in order to do this, particularly since she had 6 young children at home already. I don't think this lady is firing on all cylinders.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

63. I don't think the doctor has been identified yet.

But you would think that history of depression + living in "near-constant pain" + no job + no significant other to help + 6 kids already + living on disability would set off some alarm bells.

Hell, I had to have a credit check plus home visit to adopt a cat from the local shelter.

[Cass]

64. Multiple alarms going off here.

Same here but on a canine level.