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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:38 AM
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Knoxville church shooter: 'This was a hate crime' (Pleads guilty, all charges)
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 10:42 AM by guruoo
Source: knoxnews.com

Knoxville church shooter: 'This was a hate crime'
Adkisson pleads guilty to killing 2, wounding six

By Jamie Satterfield (Contact)
Originally published 10:14 a.m., February 9, 2009
Updated 10:14 a.m., February 9, 2009

Jim David Adkisson wanted to leave no doubt of his motive in opening fire inside a West Knoxville church last year.

“This was a hate crime,” Adkisson wrote in a four-page “manifesto” he had left inside his vehicle and intended to serve as a suicide letter.

Adkisson, 58, wrote that he wanted to kill the “generals” of the liberal movement, citing Democrats in Congress, Supreme Court justices and President Barack Obama.

But he said he couldn’t get to those in power so he opted instead to attack liberalism’s “foot soldiers,” specifically citing the members of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church. The letter has been kept under wraps since the July 27 shooting that killed two people and wounded six others.


Read more: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/09/knoxville-church-shooter-was-hate-crime/
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:41 AM
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1. O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, et al
This is your work. By demonizing liberals, you give nutjobs like this a license (in their minds) to eliminate "godless liberal traitors" by any means necessary.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:01 AM
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7. And these righties are a bunch of cowards...
These righties are all cowards, because they have refused to accept responsibility for this and continue to manufacture their poison.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:04 PM
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22. It's how they make their money.
And there is money to be made from "rugged individualistic" fools who need their opinions told to them.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 07:35 PM
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36. Yeah, that's one thing about it that's so ironic:
"...'rugged individualistic' fools who need their opinions told to them."
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:44 PM
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46. Nazis, Bushies, and other High RWA (Right Wing Authoritarians) are well beyond ironic.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 10:46 PM by tom_paine
They are insane as the 1930s Germans. Literally. No less.

like a Jack-In-The-Box, it hides.

When it has "permission from authority" when the Bushies get back in power, we will then see waht the REAL Final Solution to the Libral Problem they have in store for us. How long do we have left? 20 years? 50? 5???

Who knows. My bet's on 20 years or so. But I'm an Optimist. :evilgrin:

HINT: Whatever the Bushie Final Solution to the Liberal Problem. It won't look much like what the Nazis did, though it will likely be quite horrifying in some new way or ways. Emulating the Nazis too closely would be bad marketing on the part of the Bushies, and they are VERY GOOD marketers.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:33 AM
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53. White males, 50+, Divorced or Unmarried, and no kids (or never see them)
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 12:38 AM by YOY
In person somewhat (but never truly) capable socially but with odd underlying streaks of misogyny and racism. That is the majority of Rush's demographics.

Pretty much sums up every truly hardcore ditto head at every job place I've ever had.

A few are well meaning, but misguided fools who think they've found a voice that understands them. Most are deluded bitter idiots who will leave no legacy behind save what they intend for the children of others just waiting a nasty tragedy to turn them into raging psychopaths with a perfect source of blame for all their misfortunes (It's never themselves.)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:46 PM
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24. Absolutely.
:(
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:42 AM
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2. A four-page manifesto, huh? Must have spent all month working on that one.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:05 PM
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19. I want to see the Manifesto. I'd be willing to bet there are specific references in it
References to Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, and all the rest these right-wing psychos that get off on this type of stuff while throwing their hands up in the air and screaming "we didn't have anything to do with this!".

Interestingly enough, it's not been released yet aside from to the media. I want to see the whole damned thing.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:39 PM
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29. That is not permitted. It interferes with our Glorious National Vision of the True Americans
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 04:42 PM by tom_paine
Strong Patriotic and Proud, that make up the very core and backbone of the Modern Republic Party.

:sarcasm: :puke:

But seriously, we will NEVER see that manifesto. Probably will see some exceprts, for Plausible Deniability's sake, but no mention of the RW Pundits which no doubt lace the manifesto. 95% certainty.

Not that we'll ever know. The true contents of that Manifesto are verboten to be put anywhere there is any danger a majority of Amerivcan might see them.

It is as plain and simple and almost completely certain.

Totalitarian Medias, even Inverted Totalitarian Medias, are VERY predictable, once you know what to look for.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:45 PM
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39. You will see it tomorrow.
Go to knoxnews.com on Tuesday, and you will find a link to it. I read the main story tonight. It's scary.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:18 PM
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43. And it will be discussed on prime time Cable or Network News, when?
You're right, in my grief I exaggerated to make my point.

But that's now how INVERTED Totalitarianism, which is our curent form of government, works.

The manifesto will be seen, but probably only on the lefty blogospheres and a couple local knoxville links.

If the Bushiganda Template is followed by the M$M, as it pretty much ALWAYS is these days, (and I am trying be be not hyperbolic at all here), then truly I suspect that maybe some bigger newspapers might ick it up, and can we hope that Corproate will allow Maddow and/or Olbermann carry the story?

I think the VERY VERY BEST we can hope for is a quick treatise and forgetting in less tha a day on Cable TV and/or Network Infoganda. No 24/7 conversations about what the massive huge, and deeply penetrating into all levels of American Society KKK-RW crazy, in which 20,000,000 peole or more believe EXACTLY the things this man believes, everything except the murder, and 10,000,000 wouldn;t be able to pas a lie detector test saying they disapproved of the act.

Such a national debate, in the wake on an incident like this, is fully warranted. But national debate on such things is not permitted. More than 10,000,000 people knowing about it is not permitted, and will very likely NOT happen, though it is the kind of story that usually the media loves to run with for days and days and days.

Unless the victims are Liberal Vermin, as Savage Weiner always calls Liberals, in an echo of Nazis past. THEN..as much media censorship and silence as the Bushies and their GOP-controlled Media can get away with and still retain the level of minimum Plausible Deniability...which ain't much to fool the American Subject Populace these degenerate days.

So, yes, I did exaggerate a little, and I'm glad you busted me on it.

But I stand by my overall thesis. One thing is certain, there will be no and I mean NO (outside of a brief discussion on Olbermann/Maddow) National Debate on RW Madness so common these days, millions and millions and millions believeing EXACTLY what the murderer believed...they just have yet to murder in "defense" of their beliefs.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:32 AM
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68. Spot on assessment
I read the manifesto this morning and its very disturbing. His incoherent rant could have been mistaken for Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity verbatim.

Then you realize that 20+ million listen to these idiots are brainwashed in its subtle violent and hate filled undertones. That's when it gets scary.

But the media will nod its head and move right along instead of giving this the coverage that it deserves. I remember during the election, everyone being so concerned with Obama's safety. I offer that the ones that need to be concerned with safety are us - the common citizen and liberals. Anyone who wears the Democrat label openly should be concerned as the right wing has had years to stir up this drum-beat of hate and war.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:36 PM
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48. We did however get the full manifesto from the UniBomber...
What it perhaps because the central thesis concerned ecology? What a great way to discredit the ideas of the left.
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:16 AM
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52. We got it because he threatened more bombings if it wasn't published.

Since he had been so successful up to that point, there wasn't much to do but give in to the demand.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:37 AM
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54. Worse than that. Not only was Kasczinski an equal-opportuintiy hater, lambasting BOTH Left and
Right, but the Bushiganda successfully laundered the lie (just how LONG has this been going on?) that Kasczinski was a liberal.

Back in the days shortly after the Stolen Election of 2000, when my eyes were just opening, a Bushie co-worker intimated that Kascinski was a liberal.

I knew he was lying. All Bushies lie, or unwittingly regurgitate lies told to the by the Bush Lie Machine...same thing in the end.

So, I actually sat down and read some of Kascinzskis Manifesto. It didn't take much readin before realizing Kasczinski hated EVERYBODY Left, Right, and Center...sort of the Uber-Freeper.

Which makes it worse. Kasczinski was and is STILL used to discredit the left by Bushies and Bushigandists everywhere using their Goebbesian Template of Shameless Repetitious Lying.

And the guy isn't even a leftist. Not even close. He was a true purebread "lone wolf" wacko.

Incredible how the Bushies do that, isn't it?

A real Triumph of the Will is what has happened in our nation these 30 years.

Make no mistake. It was a Triumph of the Will.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:55 PM
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32. It cites Bernard Goldberg....for one... from the article:
"This was a symbolic killing," Adkisson wrote. "Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate and House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I knew these people were inaccessible to me.

"I couldn't get to the generals and high-ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chicken (expletive) liberals that vote in these traitorous people."

Goldberg, a former CBS News correspondent, wrote a book titled "100 People Who Are Screwing Up America: (and Al Franken Is #37)" that includes many left-leaning public figures but also includes people such as right-wing talk radio host Michael Savage, citing his anti-gay sentiments, and Roy Moore, the former Alabama justice removed from the bench for refusing to take down a monument to the Ten Commandments."
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:40 PM
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49. Chickenshit liberals like the one who rushed to block a shotgun blast with his own body?
Or the unarmed people who overwhelmed and subdued the gunman?

Yeah, that's chickenshit for you.

Now, opening fire on a church full of people watching children put on a play - that takes courage. God, these people are fucked up.



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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:43 PM
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38. We will have a link to it up tomorrow.
Go to knoxnews.com on Tuesday, and we will have a link to his "manifesto."
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:43 AM
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3. recommend -- another foot soldier following orders
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 10:59 AM by xchrom
from the limbaugh, o'reilly, coulter, etc generals of the conservative movement.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:55 AM
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5. Who wants to become a martyr for the cause
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:49 AM
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4. I'll bet
this manifesto hits all the rightwing talking points verbatim.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:01 AM
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6. Oh but right wing radio is just for "entertainment purposes"
The hate there is all in good fun. And there is no need for a fairness doctrine, or having more independent ownership of radio stations, none at all.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:16 AM
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9. Just like in Rwanda. The Rwandan Genocide was fueled by their versions of Limbaugh and Hannity. n/t
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:25 AM
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10. yep. n/t
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:44 AM
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15. A small difference being the audiences' demographics.
Old cranky single childless white men without much social concern vesus an solid ethnic group.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:07 AM
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8. White Male, No kids (or never see them), Divorced or unmarried, in their 50s+.
No offense to anyone here of that background...but these freaks always seem to be of the same cut.

Technically, folks who can be asked the question: "What the fuck do you care as you are not leaving any legacy?"
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:26 AM
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11. Sometimes I agree with the death penalty.
When was the last time a liberal killed someone just because the victim disagreed with him?
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:29 AM
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12. And when do people like that vile Palin get arrested for campaigning
on LIES that Obama is friends with a terrorist (Ayers)? This sort of call out to the extreme fringe among us is fueled by her and hate radio every day in this country.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:34 AM
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13. Yup.
If we're terrorists and traitors, well, what does one do with such people?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:37 AM
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14. Awww, poor Jim David
Instead of taking him out, like I'm sure he hoped, all those latte-sipping, tree-hugging liberals just took him down and took away his bang-bang. Now he'll get to spend the rest of his life being cared for by the big, bad old government. I hope he nurses a long and fruitless hatred. Wade in up to your armpits, Jim David. And then maybe, just maybe, a new thought will creep into your atrophied brain. It's possible.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:47 AM
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16. Someday there will be a lawsuit, like the one against Ricky Lake
That was the one where she matched some guy up with his gay admirer on air. It embarassed the man to the point he killed the would be courter after the show.

Someday, one of those right wing nuts will get so wound up by Hannity's or Limbaugh's narrative they'll leave written credit to their hero (like in this case), and leave the talk show host liable in a civil suit. It could change the face of AM talk radio forever.

As it should.

Speech is free, but hate speech leads to action, and action leads to responsibility.
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crimson333 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:06 PM
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20. jenny jones show not ricky lake
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:15 PM
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26. You think you can beat Nazis or Bushies with fucking lawsuits?!?
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 04:17 PM by tom_paine
Sorry to be so harsh, but you sound like Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers writing a harshly worded letter.

Nazis and Bushies PISS on your Liberal Weakling Letters! They PISS on your Liberal Weakling Lawsuits! They LAUGH at your foolish naivete to think a piece of paper can stop a Triumph of The Will!

I am NOT advocating violence here, let us not become like them in order to defeat them, but if we keep playing the same old post-partisanship Mr. Nice Guy with Bushie Monsters, this gentlemen could be the first in a very long line OF Bushies Murdering Liberals simply for who they are, ESPECIALLY when the Bushies come back in 4 or 8 years to pick up right where they left off like they'd never been gone (just like 2001).

The Authoritarian Follower's Mind, you see, USUALLY requires "permission from authority" to commit horrific atrocities. This guy Adkission, he's what we call in science "an outlier", an extreme, isolated case/datapoint indicative of the starting trend's leading edge. Like the tiny trickle of rocks before the avalanche.

Most Hannidiots will need to hear from the Bushie Government before they start helping with the Death squads, if that is how it will go down. (no one knows EXACTLY how it will go down or even if it will go down, though it looks more likely every day)
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:48 AM
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17. What to hear an interesting coincidence?
One of our members of our TVUUC congregation (Temecula Valley Unitarian Universalist Community, a small congregation in Southern California) moved from Knoxville, Tenn. out here, and had been a member of TVUUC (the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church). He's close friends with the wounded members, and, sadly, with one of the deceased.

We've spend some time processing this.

Bernard Goldberg's "book" would be involved.

Tragic.

BUT, UUs tend not to believe in the death penalty, so, it is better he spends his life behind bars.

(We come together around our Seven Principles, including recognizing the worth and dignity of every human being - www.uua.org.)
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:08 PM
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42. I'm in Knoxville.
One of my former college professors helped subdue the gunman. Small world indeed.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #42
50. Indeed it is a small world.
I'm glad that your former college professor is safe; what a horrible tragedy it was.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:02 PM
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18. No surprise here. It's what the right-wing preaches in this area
You are considered to be an "enemy" of theirs if you are a liberal. It's out in the open and there's no shortage of people that express their views that anyone who thinks differently than they do should be "shot".

It's far more common of an expression than many are comfortable to admit. And the right-wing echo chamber keeps drumming this bullshit hoping that they can whip people into a frenzy like they did this guy.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. Sigh. And I'm related to some of them.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:40 PM
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45. You poor thing. If there is a Hell, they'll be a-goin'...
If they believe what this murderer believed, even if they haven't killed, they are the Good Germans and the blood of the murdered are on their hands, too.

If God is Love and God is Justice, then they shall feel Her wroth. Perhaps their hell will be to live an eternal life as a smart, freedom-loving, outspoken Black man in 1930s Mississippi who is endlessly lynched.

Occasional coffee breaks permitted. It's the 5 min. coffee breaks that make the endless torture even worse! :evilgrin:

Yes, that would be a fitting punishment.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:30 PM
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21. From July
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.

The shotgun-wielding suspect in Sunday's mass shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church was motivated by a hatred of "the liberal movement," and he planned to shoot until police shot him, Knoxville Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV said this morning.

Adkisson, 58, of Powell wrote a four-page letter in which he stated his "hatred of the liberal movement," Owen said. "Liberals in general, as well as gays."

Adkisson said he also was frustrated about
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awnobles Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:19 PM
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23. The Manifesto
will be the centerpiece of the civil suit. Some front group will sue to repress it.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:20 PM
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27. Unquestionably. Suppressed as effectively as Nazi Germany, though maybe with the Internet...
...but we know how THAT works. 99% of Americans will NEVER SEE IT, and therefore it never happened.

Welcome to "Farenheit 451". Welcome to the beginning of The Final Solution to the Liberal Problem (50-50 chance it happens withing the next 20-60 years, though that is probably a wildly optimistic guess, given the reality of things today).
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:17 PM
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47. Aren't you exaggerating just a little?

The manifesto was evidence. As such, like all evidentiary items, it wouldn't be made public until AFTER the outcome of the trial.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:52 AM
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56. You got a pretty short memory there, dustbunnie.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 12:55 AM by tom_paine
Remember the VTech Shooter? No problem airing EVERY LAST DETAIL of the investigation IMMEDIATELY.

Why that one and not this one?

Evidence or not, that shit gets LEAKED to the media INSTANTLY ALL THE TIME NOW.

Sorry to cyber-shout at you, but this is no opinion. Remember all the dozens of loony local serial killer stories we've been subjected to?

I believe you are mistaken. But then, that's the genius of Inverted Totalitarianism. It's subtle enough to fool those who can't be fooled by old fashioned Classical Totalitarian Media and Mind Maniupulation Methods.

You know, except for those dozens of Media Murder cases, in virtually 100% the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you said was true. OJ? Remember him?

So, I must strongly suggest that not only are you mistaken, dustbunnie, but fully and 100% mistaken.

Trust me, if (God Forbid) we ever see the reverse of this shooting (a Liberal offing Conservatives at a Chruch Kiddie Play or something), you will QUICKLY understand. From the first it will be all over the Toady M$M about the LIBERAL, his motivations, his foibles, his video rentals, his prescription history, any suicide note he leaves mentioning other Liberals inspiring him will be broadcast 24/7 within the first week, if not the first day. For months and months and MONTHS it will go on, and for decades later it would continue to be brought up.

'Member Chandra Levy? How 'bout Lori Klausutis? Never heard of her, right? maybe you should Google "Lori Klausutis" for a nice example of what I am talking about. But poor Ms. Klausutis vs. Levy is but one of literally HUNDREDS of examples of this kind of double-standard.

It is REAL. NO Exaggerations WHAT-SO-EVER!

Wake up, dustbunnie! Inverted Totalitarianism is NEW, subtler form of tyranny, and that means the old snake has some new skin. Better learn to recognize it, pretty quick. Because the appearance of the First Freeper Mass Murderer of Liberals means the clock is ticking a little faster now, though Obama may delay it with sweet reason and post-partisanship niceness.

Here's two links that will help you start understanding the new nation you've lived in since 2000 and maybe before, and also help you put the big picture of historical context, not just to the First Freeper Mass Murderer of Liberals appearing but to the entire authoritarian movement that now dominats and controls the Republican party and all of America, Obama notwithstanding.

Another Welcome to DU! :toast:

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:11 AM
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58. Thanks for the welcome TP!
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 01:23 AM by dustbunnie
Right back at'cha :toast: Hate beer but will pretend it's vino.

I agree with you for the most part, but I do find many details of this guy's hate were immediately made public. We knew right away his library consisted of right wing hate propaganda, that he despised liberals and wanted us all flayed alive, that he was self-loathing i.e. hated pussy lefties but had food on the table thanks to food stamps, blahda blahda. So all of that was evident right from the start. Everyone was aware that this election brought out the loony righties in droves. The only thing that was missing was the manifesto. What will we discover from its contents that we don't already know? It'll be some rambling diatribe a la Mein Kampf (which is unreadable).

Upthread there's a bit about Kascinski. They weren't going to publish his manifesto either till he held LE hostage with threats of more bombings. Serial killers and rapists wander the streets at every given moment, but are we ever informed when our neighborhood is targeted? Barely ever!! It would "impede the investigation" is the usual explanation. After the swine are caught and the trial is over we get the full disgusting disclosure of their crimes. Edited to add: The Vtech killer died during the tragedy so there was no reason to hold back any details. There wasn't going to be any trial. It was a done deal.

Actually to me this case kind of worked out okay. When it happened, dude's hatred of liberals was widely reported. Now much later we get a reminder to be ever vigilant with the manifesto follow up. You can't force people to read it or be informed, but it will be out there.

I will read the links you gave though, thank you. :)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:25 AM
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60. I appreciate your kind words and excellent points.
I do take your point about "impeding the investigation", but I am speaking of Media Mega Stories, which for a short time this one was.

And you are correct that we heard some brief tidbits, but nohign coheerent, and certainly NO ONE in the M$M DARED mention RW Hate Radio and the Bushiganda Machine as his motivations specifically.

And if they did, there was no sustained discussion about RW propaganda.

"Musn't offend the sponsors. Don't want to get a bad performance review. Don't want to get called into the office and get chewed out by Corporate. Not over some dirty old hippie liberals."

As usual, a story without context presented by Bushigandists in the most favorable way possible to the Bushigandists, without context or deeper discussion of his motivations.

Which MAY have been possible if this manifesto had been leaked with a couple days, like evry other mass murdered media megastory inthe last 20 years, pretty much without exception.

Not this time. This time there were no leaks and evidentiary rules were follow VERY CAREFULLY, for the first time I can remember in a shocking Mass Murderer Media Megastory.

Anyway, now I'm just repeating myself. I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree.

But, now that you will be alerted what to look for, you may not diagree with me for many more Media Mass Murder Megastory Cycles. No, not for much longer or more Media Mass Murder Megastories, I think.

Read those articles, and you will have taken the Red Pill, as in the Matrix.

You may not thank me for it later, because you will now know that as the Bushies replicate and become Kinder and Gentler Nazis, you and I, dustbunnie, are the New Jews.



"Welcome to the desert of the real."
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:57 PM
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69. I do take your points to heart TP, and we're not disagreeing as much as you think.

I believe a lot has been covered up by the cowering media. Timothy McVeigh comes to mind immediately. Gore Vidal wrote an interesting essay about that tragedy in Vanity Fair which completely disappeared in the media slush pile. I agree that fascists are a kinder, gentler version of their more up-front forbears, and wonder too why no one ever really investigates the fallout of hate talk radio.

But in this case take a look at the manifesto. (When somebody spells "lose" as "loose" you know where it's headed!) It's precisely Mein Kampf all over again, though thankully an abridged version.

You wouldn't even think talk radio really had all THAT much to do with what he did. He hated that he was out of work, felt useless, filled with self-loathing and a burning hatred for his ex-wife which he projected onto liberals and the church his wife attended. He's just another loon who felt helpless and needed to blame all but himself. I imagine there are plenty of 60-year-olds who regret their choices, or wonder what happened to their lives, but few thankfully, go out and kill others. To summarize, the manifesto is basically a bleating, self-pitying diatribe. I'll bet that even though he failed to go out in a blaze of glory, he's thankful for the 3 squares he'll get in prison and seems in a hurry to get there. I just don't think publicizing this sorry letter would've exposed much more than we already knew.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:32 AM
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61. The Virginia Tech Shooter was DEAD
No trial. This shooter still had to go to trial. And there would be the possibility as well that it would be a jury trial. Prosecutors are loathe to release all their evidence until a trial is over. Now this guy pled guilty this could be released. There was enough of the story released when he went on this spree to know of his hatred for liberals and his love of RW shills.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:55 AM
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62. I appreciate your point, RL, and that makes sense about VT, and yet still
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 02:04 AM by tom_paine
I have seen plenty of Media Mass Murder Megastories where everything leaked out almost immediately and long before the trial.

You make a good point about VT, but I still don't buy it overall. Too many times the exact opposite happened, whether the alleged perp is awaiting trial or not.

What about Gary Condit and Chandra Levy? Gosh, THOSE investigators were REALLY forthcoming with up-to-the-minute updates and repeated leaks about the evidence, whether it was permitted or not.

Was Gary Condit dead?

If I may be blunt, and please don't take offense, but you are engaging in the tradition Liberal's Mistake (when dealing with Nazi and Bushie Monsters) and over-analyzing your navel, wondering if your eyes are seeing what they are seeing, while the Bushies stick a knife in your belly.

Sometimes, our eyes ARE seeing what we think they are seeing, even if it is too horrific to contemplate WE MUST CONTEMPLATE IT ANYWAY. And knowing what we know about Nazis and Bushies alike, that they use our liberal nice-guy navel-gazing over-analysis to get us again while were still analyzing and wondering if they could possibly be that conscienceless and criminal the FIRST time they got us.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

NO more over-analyzing. NO more navelgazing for me. I know what I see. I have spent 30 years analyzing and navel-gazing and wondering if my eyes saw what they saw. I no longer wonder.

And what they see are the deliberate cultivation by the Bushigandists of 30,000,000 people or more who now have the identical philosophy of this man, save that they have not gone out and killed in the service of said beliefs...YET.

Does that mean all 30,000,000 will become Nazi-Bushie killers or Good Germans? Only if the Bushies get back into power and decide to legally sanction (or at least give the ol' KKK-sheriff's wink) the beatings, harassment, and murder of liberals.

If that happens, we'll have a posse of 10,000,000 ruthless Bushie-Nazis after us with 20,000,000 Good Germans helping with the stuff that's not wetwork and cheering the killers along.

And, at this point, as Mr. Adkisson so clearly demonstrates, ALL that is required to activate this Holocast...is permission for these 30,000,000 Nazi-Bushies, from their Bushie Masters, ensuring there will be no consequences.

Hopefully, it won't come to that, but mentally we can see that, other than the fact that Adkisson went out and lived his Freeper Dream, he is no different philosophically from the other 30,000,000 o so Bushie-Nazis.

It may not comes to pass like that, but surely you see the ever-increasing possibility and the signpost that Mr. Adkisson represents.

And the Crooked Bushies DID suppress that manifesto, even if it was by the simple, Plausibly Deniable act of enforcing those "anti-leak rules" which are otherwise NEVER enforced.

Inverted totalitarianism is subtle.

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:08 PM
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25. Unfortunately yet another prediction I made in late 2001 beginning to come true.
I KNEW it was only a matter of time before the instilled craziness of Bushiganda satrted this.

You think this was the last of this? No,this was the FIRST of THIS.

Obama's election has changed nothing in this regard. Millions upon million upon millions of mental carbon copies of this man are all around us. They are the ones, like the great mass of Germans, who won't be able to help destroy or kill Liberals until the AUTHORITIES say it's OK.

And the next time the Bushies come back, and take up their evil works as if they'd never been gone, or maybe, at latest, the time after that (Emperor George P. "Caligula" Bush, probably), is when they'll probably get that "permission from THE AUTHORITIES" to do so.

But remember, always with Plausible Deniability from Emepror George P. Bush and his GOP-Controlled Media! There will always be just enough of that to confuse those soft-headed, navel-gazing, over-analyzing, "can I believe what my eyes are seeing?" Lib'ruls UNTIL IT NO LONGER MATTERS.

This is one prediction I really hoped would NOT come true, but it is starting just as I'd predicted 8 years ago, God Help us all.

It has now officially begun. It may not get worse for awhile yet, though with this economy anything "faster than expected" wouldn't surprise me in the least. Bushies and Nazis LOOOVE Great Depressions.

It helps them complete The Final Solution to the Liberal Problem faster...
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:39 PM
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28. Limbaugh, Hannity and O'reilly have blood on their hands.
Fuck those filthy animals. They should be rotting in a prison cell right now.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:43 PM
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30. Sure they do, and they LOVE IT. Bet they wish they lived 20 or 30 years from now
when they could be patrt of whatever The Final Solution to the Liberal Pronblem they are slowly winding their way towards when it REALLY gets started.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:53 PM
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31. Don't leave out that Goldberg chump. Anyone find the actual "manifesto"?
I'd be interested in reading it.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:16 PM
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33. It's in the article. They had it from the very start. It is forbidden to see it.
It MIGHT leak out on the Internet, just enough so that a few insignifcant people know about it when EVERYBODY should know about this, as it was his suicide note and integral to the supposed news story.

Those rules, however, no longer apply in the Inverted Totalitarianism that is America. Crooked Bushie law Enforcement made SURE that note never saw the light of day. Journalists who might have once a long time ago dug this out were busy at the gym and the tanning salon after regurgitating the latest Politico article, or HELPED the Local Bushies cover it up "for the good of the country" and "not to affect the upcoming election".

Because in Inverted Totalitarianisms like America, that's how things work.

Don't ask why, they just do.

watch, and learn...

read and learn...

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy

And may God help us all.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:01 PM
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41. It will be posted on knoxnews.com on Tuesday.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 10:03 PM by Sheltiemama
We did not have a copy of his manifesto until today. Only law enforcement did.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:28 PM
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44. Well, that's a whole other story. Crooked Bushie Law Enforcement holding onto this
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 10:33 PM by tom_paine
UNTIL THE LAST SECOND OF THE LAST DAY OF THE TRIAL.

It was his suicide note in his fucking car. They had it from Day ONE!

ANY other big media coverage on any mass murder event and we pretty much find out shit as the cops find it out. That day or the day after. You KNOW what I am saying is true.

They held it for almost 10 months. Why? Didn't want to let it out when the story was HOT? Didn't want to 'disturb' the election with bad news that it's official: listening to Bushie Propaganda has now in at least one case, more coming, whether sooner or later, makes some people MASS MURDER at a CHURCH KIDDIE PLAY!

Much better "for the country", you see, to let it out 10 months later and do the usual Bushie Down-The-Memory-Hole with it. Quiet. Sssssshhh!

Can you imagine if the entire nation knew of this? People might reexamine things. Can't have that. No no no, we simply can't have that.

Thus, I'd be willing to bet, when the gamut of whatever media is going to run with this story, let alone cite the manifesto in the end, far less than 10,000,000 people will know of it. Maybe FAR LESS.

Call it a prediction, because I am 99.99% certain that, if we reexamined this story in a months, the above praragraph would be 100% true.

Welcome to the insidious new methodlogy of tyranny. Inverted Totalitarianism.

Read up. It a "civics book" for life in Modern America. Old civics book no longer apply to this nation of ours. every college textbook on governemnt printed before 2000, should be thrown away.

Because the country those books describes is gone, and 9/11 had NOTHING to do with it.

Welcome to the New World:

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:16 AM
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66. ADKISSON'S MANIFESTO.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:57 PM
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34. +1
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:38 PM
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37. I'll bet his teevee is stuck on fox snooze and nothing else.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 08:38 PM by muntrv
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:55 PM
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40. That article reminded me to think of Greg McKendry.

The world is full of haters, and far fewer of those who would selflessly give up their own lives to save others. I'm sure he is missed by his family, friends and the grateful people at the Church that day.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:05 AM
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51. His handwritten manifesto has been posted by knoxnews.com
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 12:16 AM by RamboLiberal
http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/021009church-manifesto.pdf

He could do his duty in the war on terrorism by engaging the terrorist's allies here in America - the Democrates as he spells it.

"So I thought I'd do something good for this country. Kill Democrats till the cops kill me."

Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, Faux, and all the other RW shills who spill this crap every day ought to be real proud of themselves tonight. One of your dittoheads went off the rails.

It was a simple plan, he wrote, borne out of hopelessness but rooted in patriotism.

“The future looks bleak,” the ex-soldier lamented. “I’m absolutely fed up! So I thought I’d do something good for this country — kill Democrats ‘til (sic) the cops kill me.”

With what he believed to be his last pen strokes, Jim David Adkisson urged other suicidal soldiers against the “liberalism that’s destroying America” to leave their own trail of carnage behind.

“I’d like to encourage other like-minded people to do what I’ve done,” Adkisson wrote. “If life ain’t worth living anymore, don’t just kill yourself. Do something for your country before you go. Go kill liberals.”


http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/10/church-shooter-pleads-guilty-letter-released/

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:40 AM
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55. "Suicide Soldiers"...kind of like "Suicide Bomber"??? I wonder if the irony is lost on him.
Probably not capable or stringing together obvious conclusions and not willing to accept that conservative pundits have been lying to him all these years.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:04 AM
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57. A monster. And there are some 30,000,000 of these murderous Bushie-Nazis out there.
My God. Let there be no doubt or mistake.

I have been saying this for YEARS and now, the first tiny raindrop before the storm. It make come sooner, it masy come later.

But make NO MISTAKE. The Nazis are coming.

This man is not alone. There are 30,000,000 murderous Bushies and their "Good German" helpers now in this county. The KKK and Aryan Nations ae virtually indistinguishable from this madman, or from an average Michael Savage listener, except they haven't killed anyone yet.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:27 AM
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64. Yes, an army composed of middle age men who hate taking orders from anyone other than thier heroes
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 09:35 AM by YOY
A: Cheeto munching 30-40 something males who call themselves Christians and live in their parents basements. zero social skills and no network or stable income DURING the Bush years. Greatest fear, liberals teamed up with Bin Laden will attack the Crispy Kreme.

B: 50+, divorced or unmarried, with no kids, no decent organizational skills, poor personal skills, 50 guns and only two trigger fingers. Their greatest fear: Al Quada will come over "from Iraq" and take their guns.

C: Delusional born agains who can hardly control their vices or read their good book.

Both are craven cowards. Completely.

I understand your worries Tom but I'm not exactly running out to buy a shotgun.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:40 AM
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65. Quite honestly, I think we are safe from the worst for at least 10 years.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 09:42 AM by tom_paine
Probably closer to 20 and maybe even 30 years, though THAT seems a wildly optimistic assessment based on current trends.

Plus, Obama is the wild card. Maybe he CAN turn this thing around with seet reason and post-partisanship. I know sweet rason and post-partisanship would have appealed to Mister Adkisson and the 30,000,000 or so who believe EXACTLY what he believed, but have not yet killed, as they are waiting for the signal that the Authorities Approve of their "forming a posse" and that they can beat and murder all the liberals they want to without fear of consequences.

Frankly, the absolute need to "by a shotgun" does not yet exist, and it may never exist.

But a person who sees stormclouds on the horizon, and fails to bring an umbrella. He MAY be OK, it MAY be that the clouds dispel and no rain falls at all.

Or they may get SOAKED.

One more thing on self-defense. History shows that the Bushies, long before they are ready to implement their Final Solution to the Liberal Problem, will try to disarm their future victims FIRST.

Just like the Nazis confiscated all Jewish guns LONG before Auschwitz opened.

It may not go down like that, although history suggests it WILL. Look at how the Bushies disarmed Iraq for 10 years before invading.

As you well know, Bushies and Nazis like their victims to be DEFENSELESS. The Bushigandists are going to have a tough time selling what is essentially a betrayal of the 2nd Amendment ot their Aothoritarian Followers, but in the end, the unquestioning obedience of the Authoritarian Follower should win the day without too much 'splaining needed by Hannity, Savage and the rest.

I hope I am wrong, but even after Obama's election it looks like the basic part of the Bushie Cabal is intact and the Bushigandists are, somehow, stronger than ever. How 'bout that "Stimulus Debate"?

Just something to think about, and may God help us all.

(though She didn't help the Nazi's victims, it seems unlikely that She will do anything to interfere with the Bushies, either)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:12 AM
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59. Lucky for the Bushies those friendly cops buried this until AFTER the election, eh?
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 01:12 AM by tom_paine
Those cops were also "doing something for their country", by making sure the motivations behind these murders were not heard during election-time.

They were making something which might have woke people the fuck up out of their Bushiganda Trance if they'd seen this in conjunction with the story. (as with VTech killer and every other mass-shooter-M$M-megastory about grotesque crimes where we know damned near EVERYTHING IMMEDIATELY)

So, whoever colluded to bury this deep, never to see the light of day until the last minute of the last ay of the trial, they also did THEIR part to set up the template so that future Freeper Mass Murderers of Liberals will the same treatment and not damage the hopes of Hannity, Savage, Limbaugh, and the rest of the Bushigandist Murdering Monsters.

Yes, those cops who helped bury this manifesto and help turn dead Liberals a little closer into Bushiganda's UnPersons, they did their patriotic dutry, no less than Mr. Adkiss,

:sarcasm: :puke: :grr: :argh:

and I am sure that in their black Bushie hearts they were proud to to so.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 08:24 AM
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63. K&R. May this terrorist never see the light of day again.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:28 AM
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67. He probably didn't know that killing liberals is a crime
Certainly that Hate Radio crowd considers it a misdemeanor at worst. Someone tried to kill Daschle and Leahy 7 years ago and was never even pursued.
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