Md. Lab Germ Research Halted For Records Probe

[Purveyor]

Source: Associated Press

(02-09) 08:39 PST Hagerstown, Md. (AP) --

The Army says it has suspended research at its flagship biological weapons defense laboratory in Maryland while it inventories pathogens.

The lab was the workplace of Bruce Ivins, who killed himself in July after learning he would be charged in the 2001 anthrax mailings that killed five people.

A memo obtained by The Associated Press says workers are examining the contents of all refrigerators and freezers at the U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick in Frederick.

Institute commander Col. John Skvorak wrote that he believes some vials of pathogens and toxins are likely not listed in a laboratory database.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/09/national/a083951S58.DTL

[atreides1]

1. It Would Be Interesting

To find out when these vials went missing if they did.

[Moosepoop]

4. It doesn't sound as though they're saying vials are missing

Rather, they're saying that there are possibly vials of dangerous stuff sitting in refrigerators and freezees that have not been recorded in the inventory paperwork. Different vials of "agents and toxins" may have been created, and currently sitting right there in the fridges and freezers, but no record was ever made of their existence.

That's what they're saying. Not sure that I believe them.

[hootinholler]

5. From the wording, it sounds like they have too many rather than too few.

:shrug:

Like people were growing stuff off the books.

-Hoot

[EFerrari]

11. Scott Shane at NYTs debunked the "one flask in sole custody" idea

when he reported that there were at least two and two hundred people with access.

But even that doesn't seem like the point here, to me.

These people, who have never had a lapse that we know of, are being put through their paces. :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

2. Who benefitted from shutting down Congress immediately after 9 /11....???

that would be those who didn't want an investigation of 9/11 --

and that would be Bush/Cheney.

As I understand it, still mail is being irradiated and dried out for weeks

before being delivered to Congress.

That was quite an interrruption of information flowing from citizens to Congress

right after two earthshaking events: - the 2000 election steal by Bush and 9/11 --

[Ian David]

6. There is little doubt in my mind that the Anthrax attack was ordered by the Bushies.

And yet there are so many conspiracy theories I do NOT believe in.

But this one I feel in my gut.

You know who was killed by the Anthrax?

The guy who published THIS photo:

[tom_paine]

7. Oh yes. 99.5% certainty. Ivins was framed and either driven to suicide or

the Bushies did the "suicide" themselevs, a la Palffrey and others.

It doesn't matter about the details, and we will never find out anyway unless the Bushies are defeated wwII-style anbd their files are cracked open.

If we try to peacably do so, the way the East Germans did att he Stasi Offices, we will be drowned in our own blood by Bushie Law Enforcement, who will then send our surviving relatives the bill for getting the blood out of their black Death's Head uniforms.

Exaggerating? Maybe just a little, to make my point clearly.

But not really exaggerating much, not much at all.

[defendandprotect]

8. Agree . . but hadn't heard ....

that about the publisher of the photograph of one of the Bush girls!

Also, I feel strongly that 9/11 was a Bush affair -- with lots of help, of course.

[Ian David]

14. I'm firmly in the LIHOP camp regarding 9/11 and Katrina.

And the financial collapse was definitely MIHOP.

[defendandprotect]

16. I'm one MIHOP ahead of you . . .

and agree re Katrina --- a lot of Democrats washed away in that deluge--!!!

And on this sudden financial collapse ---

Btw, Spitzer had been rounding up Governors to deal with the mortgage lending/

foreclosure thing and Bush intervened and stopped him. And then I think they

made sure he was stopped!


Meanwhile, who was the photographer and what were the circumstances?

If you give me the name I'll look it up.

Thanks!

[Ian David]

17. IIRC, it was the photo editor, not the photographer. n/t

[EFerrari]

3. Fyi, a group of scientists at Ft. Detrick were thinking about suing FBI

for their handling of the Ivins case.

I got to know some of them a little bit while researching that case. They are careful, thoughtful, brilliant people.

So, I have to wonder, is this retribution? :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

9. I don't see any evidence that Ivins had anything to do with this . . .

and to the contrary, everything seems to point in the direction of his innocence.

Too many of these suspicious deaths are adding up to big questions --- and the

answers are not believable.

[EFerrari]

10. And now we have this lab being punished maybe?

Some of the guys there were fixing to sue over Ivins' treatment. :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

12. I see your point now ... didn't catch it at first ---

And it's a rather long time after the main event and Ivins death to be turning the lab

upside down . . . is it not!?

I'm very interested in this story but have not thought about it in a while so you lose

some of the pieces of it -- so right now they can say anything about it.

[EFerrari]

13. I've corresponded with a few people at that lab.

There's no way they're careless enough to let things go missing. And they are serious enough to object when the FBI hounds one of them to death. :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

15. Yes, I recall that a group of them defended Ivins very ably and bravely -- !!!

I think in these cases everyone is so intimidated by FBI harassment that I'm amazed

that anyone speaks out. Especially the family which may know damned well that he

didn't commit suicide. And, notice the article is very positive that he did so because

he was being charged! A lot for a family to contest . . . while grieving.

One day we may hear the truth of all this, but only if we succeed on turning this fascist

ship of state around.