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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:05 PM
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Franken suggests review of 1,585 absentee ballots
Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Democratic Senate candidate Al Franken has told a Minnesota court he would agree to the opening and possible counting of almost 1,600 still-sealed absentee ballots.

In a Saturday filing, Franken's lawyers submitted a list of absentee voters whose rejected ballots they want to give another look. About half the voter names also appear on a longer list compiled by Republican Norm Coleman. The rest are distinct from the Coleman roster.

Coleman is suing to overturn the results of a statewide recount that had Franken ahead by 225 votes. He has argued that thousands of absentee ballots were wrongly rejected by poll workers and should count.

Coleman campaign spokesman Mark Drake said Franken's list is weighted toward ballots that favor him. "The time has come for all the valid votes of Minnesotans to count, not just the ones that favor one candidate over another," Drake said.



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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:07 PM
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1. POll workers do not decide which absentee ballots are counted.
The Registrar of Voters does.
Maybe Franken still needs to take elections 101.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:10 PM
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2. I know Franken's team of lawyers know election law much better than you think you do.
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 08:11 PM by w4rma
At this point they are probably the top experts on election law in the nation.
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jcv1 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:18 PM
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3. One case to remember
Bush v. Gore - Gore's mistake was his request to limit the recount. Franken's argument is to expand it...
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:33 AM
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22. Gore had to follow Florida Law which stated ONLY the contested counties could be recounted.
It was not Gore's mistake, it was because the LAW was not told to the general public.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:32 AM
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13. really? interesting.
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:55 AM
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11. I guess then none of them should be counted
because Minnesota doesn't have a Registrar of Voters. Maybe you should take MN election law 101
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:35 AM
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14. MInnesota has at least 20 Registrars of Voters. All states do.
. POllworkers do not make those decisions EVER (what ballots should be counted). period. not a maybe. not something that may or may not be true. fact. I took elections 101 my friend. and 102 and 103 even.
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:43 PM
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17. Thats funny
I have watched every minute of the election trial and not one 'registrars of voters' was called to the stand. Decisions are made by absentee ballot boards or by workers at the polls if there is no absentee ballot board. If they are on the list of registered voters they are counted if they are not on the list and there is no included registration they are not. Some poll workers checked for witness registration, some did not.

203B.12 ELECTION JUDGES TO RECEIVE AND COUNT BALLOTS.
Subdivision 1.Receipt of return envelopes.The election judges in each precinct or the judges of an absentee ballot board shall take possession of all return envelopes delivered to them in accordance with section 203B.08.

Subd. 2.Examination of return envelopes.Two or more election judges shall examine each return envelope and shall mark it accepted or rejected in the manner provided in this subdivision. If a ballot has been prepared under section 204B.12, subdivision 2a, or 204B.41, the election judges shall not begin removing ballot envelopes from the return envelopes until 8:00 p.m. on election day, either in the polling place or at an absentee ballot board established under section 203B.13.

The election judges shall mark the return envelope "Accepted" and initial or sign the return envelope below the word "Accepted" if the election judges or a majority of them are satisfied that:


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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:13 PM
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18. still not a pollworker....
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:00 PM
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19. Sure they are
Election judges are poll workers. They do make decisions at the polls. You go into vote, the election judge looks you up on the roster. If you are listed you move to the next position and receive a ballot. If you are not registered they refer you to the person who does same day registrations. After the polls close the election judges process tthe absentee ballots.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:12 AM
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21. The person who looks you up on the roster is called a roster clerk, a citizen
volunteer. The ballots are not processed at the polls. They are received at the polls and processed at the Registrar's office.
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:21 PM
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23. ballots are processed at the polls
anyone watching the trial knows that.
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footinmouth Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:16 AM
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12. This is NOT being decided by poll workers
It's being decided by a 3-judge Tribunal and they are making decisions based on existing Minnesota election laws. In the state of Minnesota, absentee voting is consider a privilege, not a right and there are a lot of rules that need to be followed. Both sides are arguing to have ballots opened that fall under those standards. I have been watching this thing every day at theuptake.org and it's going very slowly. From what I've seen so far, the Franken team seems far better prepared than the Coleman team.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:37 AM
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15. Thank-you!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:56 PM
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4. It just won't end
That buck-toothed asshole will never concede.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:09 PM
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5. i agree he is a bucktooth asshole!
as are all republikkkans!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:39 PM
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6. What a surprise - Coleman's list is thought to favor Colemen - time to match their manuevers.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:36 PM
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7. I think Franken scares Repubs because he has something they lost years ago..... principles
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:56 PM
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8. I'm taking bets. They called every one of those voters and know how most voted.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:42 PM
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16. Good point. Someone here posted the other day that one of the ballots
Coleman is trying to include is her friend;s ballot and she knows for a fact this friend voted for Franken.

Franken's team is actually trying to win. I think Coleman's team is simply trying to stall.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:19 AM
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9. They are smart to go this way
As long as there are votes out there that might be legal, the court is going to look at them, irregardless of what else has happened. How can a voter be told that his vote didn't count because of a mistake?

Franken is smart to get in his share of the ballots to keep Coleman from cherry picking a win for himself. Still, this throws it all up in the air again. It gives Coleman another chance to win.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:28 AM
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10. do they still need money for the Legal Stuff ?
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:21 PM
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20. Of course!

As a former California politician, Jesse Unruh, once famously said, "Money is the mother's milk of politics".

I imagine the Democratic Party is making sure that the Franken campaign gets every resource they need since the outcome is so crucial to having a Senate that will not be ham-strung by reThug obstructionists.
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